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MACS Offline
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To 'The View': "Hunter Biden utilized his father's vice presidency to magically end up on a board in Ukraine, with a language he doesn't speak, on a business he knows nothing about for $83k a month. If I did that you guys would lose your minds."

He's right, ya know... but they want to shove that under the rug and want to impeach Trump for trying to uncover it.
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Those bassards..!! Mad
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MACS wrote:
To 'The View': "Hunter Biden utilized his father's vice presidency to magically end up on a board in Ukraine, with a language he doesn't speak, on a business he knows nothing about for $83k a month. If I did that you guys would lose your minds."

He's right, ya know... but they want to shove that under the rug and want to impeach Trump for trying to uncover it.

that's not what they are trying to uncover...not how Hunter got the job.

They are trying to create proof that Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine got rid of the prosecutor investigating Hunter's employer...to use his office for personal gain, that being to protect Hunter being what they hope to recreate.
They want to say others have done what Trump is doing for personal gain now.

But it's been established that the pressure from the free world to fire the corrupt prosecutor was for many reasons related to corruption, and Hunter was not the target of them.

That's not to say that Hunter did not get a cushiony job that may be related to fortunate birth (can you say Donald Jr?), but it is also not to say that Joe Biden threatened to hold back money specifically unless his son was left alone...which has been established not to be the reason for the threat.

Asked and answered for quite a while...yet understandable as anything like that job smells of impropriety. It is old news, not as old as birth certificates, but equally inaccurate.

But unless you want to go down the "where's there's smoke there's fire" road and not apply that maxim to the out of control wild fires happening now...

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frankj1 wrote:
that's not what they are trying to uncover...not how Hunter got the job.

They are trying to create proof that Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine got rid of the prosecutor investigating Hunter's employer...to use his office for personal gain, that being to protect Hunter being what they hope to recreate.
They want to say others have done what Trump is doing for personal gain now.

But it's been established that the pressure from the free world to fire the corrupt prosecutor was for many reasons related to corruption, and Hunter was not the target of them.

That's not to say that Hunter did not get a cushiony job that may be related to fortunate birth (can you say Donald Jr?), but it is also not to say that Joe Biden threatened to hold back money specifically unless his son was left alone...which has been established not to be the reason for the threat.

Asked and answered for quite a while...yet understandable as anything like that job smells of impropriety. It is old news, not as old as birth certificates, but equally inaccurate.

But unless you want to go down the "where's there's smoke there's fire" road and not apply that maxim to the out of control wild fires happening now...



If not to protect Hunter’s interest then why get involved? What item of national security did we protect?
ZRX1200 Offline
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So Frank what did DJT get again in his “quid pro quo” ??
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ZRX1200 wrote:
So Frank what did DJT get again in his “quid pro quo” ??

he got caught?
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Abrignac wrote:
If not to protect Hunter’s interest then why get involved? What item of national security did we protect?

seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!
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frankj1 wrote:
seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!


All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.
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Abrignac wrote:
All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.

not the worst argument I've ever heard on this...

Sessions lost his job doing it in our current case of illegal political personal gain charges

MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!


He said it on national TV.
MACS Offline
#11 Posted:
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Hunter Biden warrants a gig making 83k a month for this company, WHY?

And Jr. is 100% correct... if he had that gig the dems would be doing everything on Earth possible to point it out and ask about his qualifications, etc. etc... but since it's Biden's kid... nothing to see there.
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you do know you are connecting unrelated stuff together as though it is being investigated, right?

a simple check will inform what Biden's mission was for with the backing of pretty much the rest of the free world, and that mission wasn't "leave my son alone".

Should someone else have been sent on that mission? Now it's easy to say yes. Anth said it better: 'All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.'

But ya know what? Biden still would have been sent by Obama on behalf of many nations with the same agenda even if his son never existed.

And I'm not voting for sleepy joe, so don't confuse this with blind support. It's based on what happened in the world then, not the world according to Rudy.

Donald Jr? The most fortunate son since his father!
Of all people to be slinging sleaze accusations.
MACS Offline
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Still ignores the question of why Hunter Biden was being paid 83k a month by a Ukrainian company...

I don't believe you're foolish enough to think that's coincidence.
frankj1 Offline
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tell me what I should know about it. or is it more smoke/fire theory?
You sure you want to open that with what's going on?

If there is something concrete, I'll assume there will be the same outrage for the tons of cases we would both easily find of this being done by those you currently support. (and those you don't).
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pretty obvious it was a move by a private Ukrainian company to buy access to power...plenty of corporate boards in the US pay big money for a well-connected and/or wealthy persons to list on their board...common way of doing business in the US and in other parts of the world...it's acceptable, unless it's a political rival...

Ukraine was/is dependent upon US and European support to fight off the Russian invasion and corrupt dominance of their economy...pretty sure they thought it would be better than to appoint the son of a Russian oligarch...


looks bad...but no evidence there was anything illegal
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do we trust reuters?
I'm serious. I have no idea if they are part of the media that supposedly makes up lies.

here's a recent article that seems non toxic:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hunter-biden-ukraine/what-hunter-biden-did-on-the-board-of-ukrainian-energy-company-burisma-idUSKBN1WX1P7

also, today was the first I'd read 83K/month. Normally it was reported as 50K/month.
This article mentions 83K but says it was paid monthly twice, once for the Biden kid.
MACS Offline
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Al... yes, that's exactly what it was. Frank, yes... they both do it.

See? We agree on things!!

Now... can we agree that for one side the media seems to think it's no big deal, but for the other it's nefarious, underhanded and evil?

Just like both sides use US power and influence (as well as money) to get other countries to act the way we want, join forces with us, or any other number of things to promote our national interest, yes??

So why the impeachment BS for Trump doing what we've always done? And by all accounts he was asking the guy for help in getting to the bottom of election meddling. I thought Russia was involved in that? Don't we want to stop that?

Do I trust Reuters? I don't know who the fk to trust any more.
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MACS wrote:
Al... yes, that's exactly what it was. Frank, yes... they both do it.

See? We agree on things!!

Now... can we agree that for one side the media seems to think it's no big deal, but for the other it's nefarious, underhanded and evil?

Just like both sides use US power and influence (as well as money) to get other countries to act the way we want, join forces with us, or any other number of things to promote our national interest, yes??

So why the impeachment BS for Trump doing what we've always done? And by all accounts he was asking the guy for help in getting to the bottom of election meddling. I thought Russia was involved in that? Don't we want to stop that?

Do I trust Reuters? I don't know who the fk to trust any more.


So yes, we are in synch way more than not, as we both already knew.

But one stubborn difference... it gets ignored here a lot that manipulating other countries with power and influence to bend the way we want in terms of policy by dangling benefits in front of them is not wrong.

But if the potus is bending them to help him win an election by going after his leading opponent! That does not advance the interest of our country at all. That is for personal gain, illegal, covering it up is illegal, and obstructing the investigation is illegal.

Yes, no question there is media favoritism to the left at this point in time, but if the second scenario is being reported as bad and stuff, that is accurate. Not bias.

and increasingly it looks like it happened. should they not cover it? Should they edit the quotes? Censor it to protect him?
delta1 Offline
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"act the way we want" means for the United States of America's national interests...that's why Congress approved $391 Million of US military aid for the Ukraine, so that they can fight off the Russians and their Ukrainian friends who are trying to topple the democratically elected government...the same Russia who unilaterally annexed the Crimea, a part of the Ukraine...

our national interest was to promote a stronger and less corrupt democratic country to stem the advancement of the Russian influence in the region...the withholding of aid jeopardized an ally that was actively battling Russian forces at its borders, and desperately needed the money...

we've never accepted that a POTUS can leverage foreign aid for his own political interests...Trump threatened to withhold the aid to discredit a prime political opponent...he requested the favor of the Ukraine president announcing it would investigate Biden and Biden's son and the company he worked for, Burisma....that was a very specific request to help Trump's re-election...

and that was contrary to what the US diplomats were trying to accomplish in the Ukraine...veteran diplomats/State Department officials who serve overseas to advance US national interests... who had decades of foreign service experience who testified that this was something they had never before encountered and wrong/illegal...

the election meddling aspect was for looking into a debunked conspiracy theory that said Ukraine has possession of the DNC server and were the ones behind the election meddling of 2016...this has been proven false quite awhile ago...
MACS Offline
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Biden isn't really his leading opponent. I think it's Fauxcahontas, which is funny.

Creepy, sleepy Joe ain't got a chance, and if the dems don't know that... please... run him.
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he was the front runner in all the polls at the time Giuliani started his campaign to find info helpful to Trump in Ukraine early in 2018...

apparently he and Manafort cooked up, or were provided with, a tidbit about Ukraine having possession of the DNC server...keep in mind that Manafort worked for Russian aligned corrupt Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs at the time he joined the Trump election campaign -- for free...and while Manafort was running Trump's campaign, they were able to convince the GOP to help Russia by softening its plank in support of Ukraine, by prohibiting the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine.....wonder who was paying him...


at some point, we'll get answers to some of these weird connections involving Russia and the 2016 elections...it was never a "thing" in American politics until Trump...
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Ok....

Answer me this???

WHY??

IS HUNTER BANGING HIS DEAD BROTHERS WIFE?

And has dumped his wife for her?...

What a S.W.E.L.L. GUY...

THAT LITTLE HUNTER BIDEN DOUCHE IS DIRTY AS THE DAY IS LONG...AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF ostriches STICKING YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND .....CHANTING..
.I KNOW NOTHING...
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Ok....

Answer me this???

WHY??

IS HUNTER BANGING HIS DEAD BROTHERS WIFE?

And has dumped his wife for her?...

What a S.W.E.L.L. GUY...

THAT LITTLE HUNTER BIDEN DOUCHE IS DIRTY AS THE DAY IS LONG...AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF ostriches STICKING YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND .....CHANTING..
.I KNOW NOTHING...

he dated his sil after his divorce, it didn't take, he married another woman in 2019.

I say all this without any idea what kind of character or morals Hunter possesses.
MACS Offline
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Seems there is now an e-mail, obtained through the freedom of information act, that shows Burisma (the company for whom Hunter Biden was a paid board member) contacting the US State Department and dropping Biden's name to set up a meeting... About a month before Joe said this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

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this vid is the old one already misrepresented by Trump?
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MACS wrote:
Seems there is now an e-mail, obtained through the freedom of information act, that shows Burisma (the company for whom Hunter Biden was a paid board member) contacting the US State Department and dropping Biden's name to set up a meeting... About a month before Joe said this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY



Pretty obvious here.....you can throw out all the facts you want,the left refuses to see.

Frank,Al…...I love both of you but fellas let's get real,how many facts can you ignore?Stop towing that party line...……….
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
you do know you are connecting unrelated stuff together as though it is being investigated, right?

a simple check will inform what Biden's mission was for with the backing of pretty much the rest of the free world, and that mission wasn't "leave my son alone".


So it's just a coincidence.
Got it.


frankj1 wrote:

Donald Jr? The most fortunate son since his father!
Of all people to be slinging sleaze accusations.


Absolutely true.
But doesn't make his comment less true.
It's not an either/or.


DrafterX Offline
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Clinton Foundation... just sayin. Mellow
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
this vid is the old one already misrepresented by Trump?


Misrepresented.
LOL!


We can debate Trumps QPQ and whether it's an impeachable offense.

But it makes it difficult to take you seriously if you continue to ignore Biden's own QPQ.

Maybe Trump's is worse because he's POTUS. Again, a worthy discussion.
But to sweep Biden's under the rug when he so readily bragged about it?

And why the severe deflection by the left?
Shouldn't we be pursuing the Biden QPQ with the same vigor we're investigating Trump's?
If it pans out to be 100% innocent as you claim to know, then fine.
But we're shooting the proverbial messenger before the message is even clarified.
Because. Trump.


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tailgater wrote:
Misrepresented.
LOL!


We can debate Trumps QPQ and whether it's an impeachable offense.

But it makes it difficult to take you seriously if you continue to ignore Biden's own QPQ.

Maybe Trump's is worse because he's POTUS. Again, a worthy discussion.
But to sweep Biden's under the rug when he so readily bragged about it?

And why the severe deflection by the left?
Shouldn't we be pursuing the Biden QPQ with the same vigor we're investigating Trump's?
If it pans out to be 100% innocent as you claim to know, then fine.
But we're shooting the proverbial messenger before the message is even clarified.
Because. Trump.



do any of you know the real timeline?

The investigation by the guy who Biden and the US and the European Union and more wanted removed had already concluded. So there was no need for Biden to make what you all incorrectly say was a personal qpq. He also did not have that authority.

The world wanted the guy removed because he was actually blocking corruption investigations!

Unless I missed audio of Biden saying stay away from my kid's company or I'll personally withhold aid...


Joe, I'll get you back up to speed on the difference...It seems that the POTUS used the threat of holding back Congressionally allocated aid to pressure Ukraine to to reopen a closed corruption case in which the Bidens were not even considered involved nor charged FOR THE PURPOSE OF HARMING A POTENTIAL REELECTION OPPONENT.
This is specifically against the Constitution...recruiting the assistance of a foreign power to help win an election.

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The time line and official policy make all the difference. What Biden did was in the open and supported by the congress and western world. What trump did was behind closed doors, not supported by congress (opposite) or the western world, involved a shadow government and was then locked in a secret server because they knew it was wrong.

Yes Biden’s son made money off of his name. I won’t defend that. Happens all the time and I wish it didn’t.

But the prosecutor was removed for NOT investigating corruption. Don’t believe it? Go back to news stories that were contemporary. It was all out in the open and made sense. No one took issue but it was reported out widely. If you didn’t pay attention that doesn’t mean it wasn’t or somehow the media is to blame again. And being in the open the Republicans not only didn’t take issue with it they supported it. To believe that conspiracy theory you have to piece together things in a way they simply didn’t happen and you have to modify history to fit you current needs. And Biden did give some nice fuel for this. He should have stayed out of it or at least not acted all macho.

Trump supporters are being played constantly by the guy. He is using them. Think of all the things you had to believe to believe birtherism starting with the birth announcement in the contemporary paper was a plant. Remember his investigators had proof bammy wasn’t born here and he’d bring it out soon, very soon. Come on now don’t pretend it didn’t happen.

Great business man took only 1 million from his farther and became a billionaire. Never mind how much more it really was and all the bankruptcies. Never happened.

Most transparent administration ever. Yet things are being moved to a secret server for political purposes, absolute executive privilege, tax returns, on and on....

He is the only one telling the truth and everyone else is lying or out to get him. This is part of the Lance Armstrong defense tactic. Think of all the people who have to be lying, hateful, or so partisan they put party over country. And trump is the only straight shooter. Trump is well known for lies prior to running for office is magically the only one that can tell the truth .... even when he consistently lies right in front of you and it is obvious.

With Armstrong it got ridiculous. It was obvious when all his ex teammates and opponents got caught, and a large number of people said he was dirty. Yet Armstrong tried to destroy the lives of anyone hinting he was dirty and his supporters wanted to believe. Armstrong and trump are very similar in this regard. Anyone paying attention with an open mind knew he was dirty. They both are. It’s sick to see the destruction machine go after people. Yet some in here participate. In both instances because the want to support their hero and will believe anything to do so. They will suspend reality. Trump knows this and has been brazen enough to say it out loud. How insulting to his supporters but he says it anyway.

I understand wanting to believe in someone but do so only until it’s obvious they are not who they say they are. Don’t go after the other guy (Like them or not) to. Defend the indefensible. I’m hoping some trump supporters will quit playing the game and pretending the sky is yellow and the sun is blue. This game doesn’t benefit the little guys like us, why play it? You are not really on the team you are just useful to it..
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And if you don t believe the southern strategy was real you simply don’t know your history. It is well documented by primary source documents and contemporary documentation as well. It’s not a secret or even controversial.
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teedubbya wrote:
What Biden did was in the open and supported by the congress and western world.

Similar argument could be made for Hitler's actions... I don't personally think that makes it right, but you're entitled to your opinion... I guess...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Similar argument could be made for Hitler's actions... I don't personally think that makes it right, but you're entitled to your opinion... I guess...

way off base, and incorrect.
It even took a long time for Roosevelt to learn of the massacre of the European Jews...(though he still dragged his feet).

and beyond that, it has zero to do with Trump today.
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teedubbya wrote:
The time line and official policy make all the difference. What Biden did was in the open and supported by the congress and western world. What trump did was behind closed doors, not supported by congress (opposite) or the western world, involved a shadow government and was then locked in a secret server because they knew it was wrong.

Yes Biden’s son made money off of his name. I won’t defend that. Happens all the time and I wish it didn’t.

But the prosecutor was removed for NOT investigating corruption. Don’t believe it? Go back to news stories that were contemporary. It was all out in the open and made sense. No one took issue but it was reported out widely. If you didn’t pay attention that doesn’t mean it wasn’t or somehow the media is to blame again. And being in the open the Republicans not only didn’t take issue with it they supported it. To believe that conspiracy theory you have to piece together things in a way they simply didn’t happen and you have to modify history to fit you current needs. And Biden did give some nice fuel for this. He should have stayed out of it or at least not acted all macho.

Trump supporters are being played constantly by the guy. He is using them. Think of all the things you had to believe to believe birtherism starting with the birth announcement in the contemporary paper was a plant. Remember his investigators had proof bammy wasn’t born here and he’d bring it out soon, very soon. Come on now don’t pretend it didn’t happen.

Great business man took only 1 million from his farther and became a billionaire. Never mind how much more it really was and all the bankruptcies. Never happened.

Most transparent administration ever. Yet things are being moved to a secret server for political purposes, absolute executive privilege, tax returns, on and on....

He is the only one telling the truth and everyone else is lying or out to get him. This is part of the Lance Armstrong defense tactic. Think of all the people who have to be lying, hateful, or so partisan they put party over country. And trump is the only straight shooter. Trump is well known for lies prior to running for office is magically the only one that can tell the truth .... even when he consistently lies right in front of you and it is obvious.

With Armstrong it got ridiculous. It was obvious when all his ex teammates and opponents got caught, and a large number of people said he was dirty. Yet Armstrong tried to destroy the lives of anyone hinting he was dirty and his supporters wanted to believe. Armstrong and trump are very similar in this regard. Anyone paying attention with an open mind knew he was dirty. They both are. It’s sick to see the destruction machine go after people. Yet some in here participate. In both instances because the want to support their hero and will believe anything to do so. They will suspend reality. Trump knows this and has been brazen enough to say it out loud. How insulting to his supporters but he says it anyway.

I understand wanting to believe in someone but do so only until it’s obvious they are not who they say they are. Don’t go after the other guy (Like them or not) to. Defend the indefensible. I’m hoping some trump supporters will quit playing the game and pretending the sky is yellow and the sun is blue. This game doesn’t benefit the little guys like us, why play it? You are not really on the team you are just useful to it..


the only thing people will take away from this is that Trump also has one ball.
teedubbya Offline
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Ironically it supported what I said.
rfenst Offline
#37 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
To 'The View': "Hunter Biden utilized his father's vice presidency to magically end up on a board in Ukraine, with a language he doesn't speak, on a business he knows nothing about for $83k a month. If I did that you guys would lose your minds."

He's right, ya know... but they want to shove that under the rug and want to impeach Trump for trying to uncover it.

The Biden story will come out soon. And, it should!
rfenst Offline
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Great thread so far, guys. But, the title of the thread is about Donnie Trump. What's up?
frankj1 Offline
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it's Donnie smearing his daddy's rival and claiming victim's status.
nothing unusual.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
it's Donnie smearing his daddy's rival and claiming victim's status.
nothing unusual.

Donny allegedly outed the anonymous complainer. If so, Donny deserves whatever he gets...
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rfenst wrote:
Donny allegedly outed the anonymous complainer. If so, Donny deserves whatever he gets...

I was totally surprised by Rand Paul's statement on the whistle blower!
L'il Donny is a zero
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I was totally surprised by Rand Paul's statement on the whistle blower!
L'il Donny is a zero

Rand is a two-faced prick.
rfenst Offline
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Romney never looked so good.
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rfenst wrote:
Romney never looked so good.

he's enjoying the high road...with a side of revenge!
Whistlebritches Offline
#45 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I was totally surprised by Rand Paul's statement on the whistle blower!
L'il Donny is a zero



If this had happened to Obama the whistleblowers name would've been announced days ago by the dems.…....……..unless it implicated a Clinton,in that case he/she would've already disappeared


tailgater Offline
#46 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
do any of you know the real timeline?

The investigation by the guy who Biden and the US and the European Union and more wanted removed had already concluded. So there was no need for Biden to make what you all incorrectly say was a personal qpq. He also did not have that authority.

The world wanted the guy removed because he was actually blocking corruption investigations!

Unless I missed audio of Biden saying stay away from my kid's company or I'll personally withhold aid...


Joe, I'll get you back up to speed on the difference...It seems that the POTUS used the threat of holding back Congressionally allocated aid to pressure Ukraine to to reopen a closed corruption case in which the Bidens were not even considered involved nor charged FOR THE PURPOSE OF HARMING A POTENTIAL REELECTION OPPONENT.
This is specifically against the Constitution...recruiting the assistance of a foreign power to help win an election.



What part of me saying it's a "worthy discussion" did you not understand. I agree with your last paragraph in that it should be looked into. I've been purposely quiet on the recent inquiry because I'm not ready to defend nor condemn until we really know what happened.

But regardless of WHY Trump wants to investigate Biden's actions, you have to admit that what he bragged about should absolutely be investigated. True, the world wanted the guy removed for different reasons. But that doesn't mean the obvious conflict of interest and likely financial misdeeds did not occur with Hunter Biden.

Again, it's not an either/or.
Separate Trump from the equation and look at what Biden bragged about and look at where his son was working and look at the monies that transferred and ask yourself in a moment of honesty if you really think it's all on the up and up.

I hate the quid pro quo looming over trump. Not because it was a big deal. But because it makes him the exact thing he claimed lived in the "swamp". These things happened ALL THE TIME. Don't be so naive to think it started with the Donald. So don't worry about bringing me up to speed. I know the facts, and I read the slanted innuendo posing as facts.
I'm not saying "but Biden" here either. I'm just saying don't be fooled. Again. By the left.

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#47 Posted:
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not as sure as you are that recruiting or coercing foreign governments to help sway an election happens all the time. Can't recall ever in my lifetime, but I could be wrong.

However, I am sure that recruiting or coercing foreign governments to help our national interests does happen all the time, did not start with the Donald, and he may not even be as good at it as all others. Allies need to know our word is our bond and we aren't only financial bullies threatening economic destruction.

Re: impeachment inquiry...for months I stated I'd rather use the election to make changes and that impeachment is a difficult wound from which to heal (prettier phrasing this time) but I am now all in on the inquiry part.
However, for the good of the nation I I hope an actual Impeachment trial does not happen.
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#48 Posted:
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and I said a long time ago, he was misinterpreted. What he meant was STRAIN the swamp, not drain it.
He wanted to keep the big chunks...HA!
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#49 Posted:
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I may have figured out the split here.

There are two separate things involving Biden(s) that are being presented by Trump and Rudy G as if they go hand in hand and then repeated by Trump's base...(not necessarily tg)

1) was Joe somehow more involved in his kid raking in money than just being his father with a powerful name...

2) Daddy Biden bragging...which was not related to his kid. It was bragging about coercing a government to get rid of an investigator because that investigator did not really investigate the corruption that the free world wanted cleaned up. Coercion that benefited our and the free world's interests.

the first issue...sure. open it up... yet again if you must. Oddly fortunate timing for Trump, and at least acknowledge Rudy G's role in it as long as we are talking about things looking questionable.

the second thing is being purposely, incorrectly, and dishonestly blended in and confused with the kid's job, and the bragging is always mentioned in the same breath with the kid's job, but the bragging was oddly about firing a guy who DID NOT delve into corruption. Odd because the Biden kid's company was one such case...
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#50 Posted:
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An issue with a secret server. Hillary used one where classified information was passed. Yet, only now Dems seem interested?

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