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BigDaddyBrown Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:05 PM EST
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I'm totally a new onwer of a humidor. I have seasoned it and I've placed about 17 cigars in with a 72% rh pack. My question is, my humidor is reading 71F and my humidity is at 72… is that good or do I need to bring humidity and temp down?
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#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:09 PM EST
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BigDaddyBrown wrote:
I'm totally a new onwer of a humidor. I have seasoned it and I've placed about 17 cigars in with a 72% rh pack. My question is, my humidor is reading 71F and my humidity is at 72… is that good or do I need to bring humidity and temp down?


72% is way too high, and most here will argue 70% is too high (I would be one of them). I keep mine at 64% and 67F. If it is a normal desktop humidor I would keep it where an air vent is pointing to bring the temp down.
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#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:10 PM EST
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All you 'need' is to keep the humi at levels where you enjoy the cigars most.....and keep the temps and RH below beetles/mold levels (< about 74/74)

I like RH around 63% and temps between 65-69.
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#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:22 PM EST
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Thanks, I'll get a 69% rh or lower pack and move towards a center or maybe buy a small fan.
USNGunner Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:22 PM EST
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I'd say that about covers humidity. BigGrin
Tittums Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 12:29 PM EST
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BigDaddyBrown wrote:
Thanks, I'll get a 69% rh or lower pack and move towards a center or maybe buy a small fan.


If you live in a humid climate you might run into burn issues at 69% RH. Since you are at 72% now I would recommend smoking one now and see how it smokes and leave one out for a day then smoke it to see if you do better with the lower RH.
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#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 1:54 PM EST
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Yes I live in south Florida, I'll try that first. Does it matter if the cigars are real cohiba? Someone told me that they have to be at a lower humidity like 65-69? Sorry for all the questions, but I really enjoy cigars and I just want to get things right before I spend a lot of money on filling my humidors
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#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 2:04 PM EST
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BigDaddyBrown wrote:
Yes I live in south Florida, I'll try that first. Does it matter if the cigars are real cohiba? Someone told me that they have to be at a lower humidity like 65-69? Sorry for all the questions, but I really enjoy cigars and I just want to get things right before I spend a lot of money on filling my humidors


This forum is for questions... and hazing. Cohiba come in cuban and non-cuban so "real cohiba" is a hard question to answer. If you are referring to Cuban cigars in general, you want to keep them below 70F as I have read that Cuban cigars are especially prone to tobacco beetles. This, however, doesn't mean beetles cannot hatch in non-cubans so below 70F is always a goal.

As far as what temperature you should store them at, I would ask, what temperature is the room you are going to smoke them in? If you are smoking outside then Florida can get to the 90s in the summer so I would stay close to 70F. The colder your cigars are when you pull them into a warm environment the more moisture you are going to pull into them.

This is why I recommend around 64% for Florida (I am in Pinellas County so it was a brutal 70-80% humidity for a solid week)
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#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 2:11 PM EST
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Thank you very much,
BigDaddyBrown Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 2:11 PM EST
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Thank you very much,
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#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 2:11 PM EST
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Thank you very much,
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#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2020, 6:54 PM EST
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Do you mind if we call you Elvis ?
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#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 2:22 AM EST
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I live in California. It is so dry here, I have found that between 67 and 69 RH works for me.

J
dstieger Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 8:36 AM EST
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soooo...... 68?
tonygraz Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 9:07 AM EST
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^ Showoff !
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#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 9:34 AM EST
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Dave's good wif numbahs
USNGunner Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 10:28 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
soooo...... 68?



Sure. I'll owe you one. whip
Stogie1020 Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 4:56 PM EST
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Anyone just using large zip lock bags with a Boveda pack in it for storage?
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#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 4:59 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Anyone just using large zip lock bags with a Boveda pack in it for storage?


I used foodsaver bags that I just rolled up the end on since they are properly air tight, before I found cigarbid. Once I found cigar bid and had a 10 foot long foodsaver bag full of 200 cigars I thought it was time to upgrade to a tower humidor. This all happened in the span of a year for me.
USNGunner Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 5:43 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Anyone just using large zip lock bags with a Boveda pack in it for storage?


Get some Sistema KLIP IT storage containers that have the foam "seals" and 4 locking tabs. I used this one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00284AG5U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Throw a boveda and some spanish cedar veneer strips in there and you're good to go.
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#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 23 2020, 7:46 PM EST
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67°F with 65% humidity here. Works great for me. Would worry about mold at 72 humidity.
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#22 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 12:18 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
67°F with 65% humidity here. Works great for me. Would worry about mold at 72 humidity.


This thread in conjunction with an article in the new Famous Smokeshop mag I got in the mail the other day got me thinking. So I did some checking here in the house. I put one of my humidity gages in my office where my humidors are, and one in the bedroom where we're running a humidifier. The results were interesting.

In my office, it just read "LO". In the bedroom, with the humidifier running 24/7? 34%@70f.

No damned wonder my wooden humidors are struggling. So I went back to the cedar veneer lined sistema container this morning and it's already cruising back to 65% with the heartfelt beads, and a 60 gram boveda.

My winador in the basement is cruising along no problems. But it's sealed up very well around the door so that one isn't an issue.

Lesson learned. I guess I can get used to the plastic. Maybe. Eventually. Damned if I don't love my humidors. Wood and glass do have a panache, but it's not worth ruining good cigars over.

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#23 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 12:45 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Do you mind if we call you Elvis ?



This deserved a bigger laugh! Applause
corey sellers Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 2:35 PM EST
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Gunner I see the same thing between the 2 wooden humidors and the tupperdores I have . The cigars smoke different between the 2 .
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#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 7:06 PM EST
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When I was new-ish to cigars, a cigar veteran guy.... actually a sales rep for a giant cigar company... told me to forget the pretty wood or wood-and-glass humidors and just get big-ass Sterilite or similar clear plastic tubs where the handles lock up over the lid, put Spanish cedar pieces in there, humidification element(s) and a calibrated digital hygrometer (Western/Oasis Caliber IV is best IMO) and never look back to wood.

He was 100% right, and he saved me a lot of hassle and money. I've been all-plastic ever since, and have had none of the problems that plague wood humidors. Thanks, buddy!

The thinking at the time was also that you did NOT want a perfect seal in your plastic containers, just ALMOST perfect, to allow a slight bit of air exchange (ammonia traces out, fresh air comes in). Gasketed seals were specifically out of favor. That thinking seems to have changed since, but my "almost perfect" non-gasketed big Sterilites work just fine, and hold humidity quite nicely.

Anyway, yeah, IMO forget about wood and wood-and-glass, except maybe to throw cigars in briefly to impress friends when they visit you. A really nice wood/glass humidor does win in the looks department, by far. However for storing thousands of cigars in ideal conditions with near-zero hassle and maintenance at $16 per 116 quarts of container volume, forget it, ain't gonna happen with wood humidors.
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frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 9:45 PM EST
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you could use the wood humidors to dry box a few smokes...
USNGunner Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 9:51 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you could use the wood humidors to dry box a few smokes...


Absolutely. Although with 65/65 I'm not sure dry boxing is going to be necessary. I'm not getting rid of them, but I have to sort this hit on my accepted paradigm out. Think
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#28 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 9:59 PM EST
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USNGunner wrote:
Absolutely. Although with 65/65 I'm not sure dry boxing is going to be necessary. I'm not getting rid of them, but I have to sort this hit on my accepted paradigm out. Think

I very rarely pull a cigar for a day or two prior to smoking, but some folks do.
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#29 Posted: Fri, Jan 24 2020, 10:13 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I very rarely pull a cigar for a day or two prior to smoking, but some folks do.


Yah, I don’t have that kind of foresight other than smoking a Tat on Tuesdays and Fuentes on Fridays. But even then, it’s not 100% guaranteed that I follow that “formula”.
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#30 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 6:34 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you could use the wood humidors to dry box a few smokes...


I have a dedicated wood humidor for dry boxing. Have one in there hopefully drying out now.
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#31 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 10:18 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I have a dedicated wood humidor for dry boxing. Have one in there hopefully drying out now.

and we just assumed that was a di(k in a box...
sorry Tony.
izonfire Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 11:34 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I have a dedicated wood humidor for dry boxing. Have one in there hopefully drying out now.

Just remember to use lube.
Dry boxing is abrasive and will cause chafing...
corey sellers Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 11:48 AM EST
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Chafing is never a good thing.
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 2:31 PM EST
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Slivers are worse.
corey sellers Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 3:30 PM EST
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Yeah slivers would be bad really bad and then having to pull them out.
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#36 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 3:39 PM EST
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corey sellers wrote:
Yeah slivers would be bad really bad and then having to pull them out.

Ya never know.

Within the wood humidor enthusiast community,
there’s probably a splinter fetish group...
corey sellers Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 4:06 PM EST
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They can get all the wood the want .
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#38 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 10:18 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you could use the wood humidors to dry box a few smokes...

I use to use a good sealing cigar box filled with cedar cigar sleeves to drybox fresh Johnny-O's. Most wood humidors only have a cedar veneer on the inside. Currently I keep Spanish cedar wood chips and shavings in my cooledor - helps with humidity and smells fantastic.
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#39 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 10:24 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
I use to use a good sealing cigar box filled with cedar cigar sleeves to drybox fresh Johnny-O's. Most wood humidors only have a cedar veneer on the inside. Currently I keep Spanish cedar wood chips and shavings in my cooledor - helps with humidity and smells fantastic.

And cause you’re a fucquin hamster...
cacman Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 10:32 PM EST
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The wood chips and shavings came from my buddy's wood shop when he made my cedar shelves - not the pet store.
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#41 Posted: Sat, Jan 25 2020, 10:41 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
The wood chips and shavings came from my buddy's wood shop when he made my cedar shelves - not the pet store.

OK.
A high class hamster.
La Dee Fucquin Da.........
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#42 Posted: Sun, Jan 26 2020, 7:46 AM EST
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I have a very high end Humidor, spent a very pretty penny on it. It has slays of Spanish Cedar on the inside, and is made from Mahogany. It holds 600 cigars. Best End Table Humidor on the market. I love it. As for humidity level, I keep mine a little drier than most people, but only because I live in Oregon, where it rains almost daily.
Cathcam13 Offline
#43 Posted: Sun, Jan 26 2020, 7:47 AM EST
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Slats, darned auto corrupt.......
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#44 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 11:21 AM EST
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Picked up an Iris 19qt on sale at the container store and got a couple of the Spanish cedar trays off of amazon. MUCH better than the cramped little Tupperware I was using. Plus, now my wife can fill the old Tupperware with cookies for me. Win win.

Currently getting the humidity all settled. I was over humidified in the cramped Tupperware (around 72%, @70 degrees) so, using beads and 65% Bovedas, I should be able to keep the Iris where I want it.
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#45 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 4:29 PM EST
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Cathcam13 wrote:
I have a very high end Humidor, spent a very pretty penny on it. It has slays of Spanish Cedar on the inside, and is made from Mahogany. It holds 600 cigars. Best End Table Humidor on the market. I love it. As for humidity level, I keep mine a little drier than most people, but only because I live in Oregon, where it rains almost daily.

Sounds beautiful!
Do you keep it next to your hamster wheel?
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#46 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 6:01 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Do you keep it next to your hamster wheel?


You have this thing for gerbils. Don't you? Anxious
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#47 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 6:15 PM EST
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USNGunner wrote:
You have this thing for gerbils. Don't you? Anxious

Hamsters Gunner! Hamsters!!! Focus, fer crissake!!!!! Not gerbils!!!!! Not the same thing, dammit!!!!!!!!!! I mean, there's ........

Ahhhh, shove it up yer ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#48 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 7:04 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Picked up an Iris 19qt on sale at the container store and got a couple of the Spanish cedar trays off of amazon. MUCH better than the cramped little Tupperware I was using. Plus, now my wife can fill the old Tupperware with cookies for me. Win win.

Currently getting the humidity all settled. I was over humidified in the cramped Tupperware (around 72%, @70 degrees) so, using beads and 65% Bovedas, I should be able to keep the Iris where I want it.

So, what does your hamster think of your Iris?
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#49 Posted: Wed, Jan 29 2020, 7:34 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
So, what does your hamster think of your Anus?

Think
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Think

I think you have a taste for fudge...
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