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Virginia Gun Rights Rally
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Today tens of thousands of American Patriots converged on Richmond to protest new gun confiscation laws threatened by the New Democrat leadership. Even though the media predicted death and violence the protesters where orderly and peaceful. Unlike leftist protests where tons of trash is left on the streets, the protesters even cleaned up after themselves.

The proposed legislation would outlaw most semi-auto rifles, even many hunting rifles. One piece of legislation would outlaw any semi-auto handgun that COULD accept an extended magazine. That's virtually all semi-auto pistols. The governor has stated that he expects police to go door to door and confiscate all outlawed firearms. If that is not tyranny then what is it? Yet the left tells me all the time that no one wants to take our guns. One of the proposed background check laws would make it a crime if a wife used one of her husband's guns to defend herself, if she did not go through a background check before taking possession of the weapon. It would also make it illegal to try out someone else's gun at the range, or allow your son to go hunting with your shotgun unless a background check was performed prior to the transfer.

Close to 90% of Virginia counties have declared themselves gun sanctuaries and say they will not enforce these new laws. This is going to get very interesting.

David
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I would say God bless you(he created Democrats so I am going to hail satan on this one). Tittums bless every last one of you (whom the Democrats have already labeled white supremacists) of all races and colors that march in support of the second amendment that will allow us to overthrow a Communist government that will one day rule our country. Hopefully, for a very short, and very bloody time.

It is now more important than ever to support the second amendment. A bunch of Southern Democrats tried to overthrow this country and keep slavery and true Americans of all colors had to shoot them to the point of fleeing to California and New York. They threaten to return to take your guns now.

Like all Democrat declarations, I do not have to tell you to go buy more guns and ammo. Their actions probably already have you ordering guns and ammo online right now. Bless you, everyone.
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Always remember: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and anyone who opposes that liberty. Foreign and increasingly in these times, domestic liberal terrorists.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Just so there is no confusion, I reside in NC, about 10 miles south of the Virginia border. Though I currently will not be affected, I have friends in Virginia that will bare the blunt of this confiscation. All The Virginia counties North of me have declared themselves gun sanctuaries. The county just south of mine in NC is holding a public meeting Wednesday night to propose a resolution re-affirming their resident's 2nd Amendment rights. I expect our county to do likewise.

David
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Just so there is no confusion, I reside in NC, about 10 miles south of the Virginia border. Though I currently will not be affected, I have friends in Virginia that will bare the blunt of this confiscation. All The Virginia counties North of me have declared themselves gun sanctuaries. The county just south of mine in NC is holding a public meeting Wednesday night to propose a resolution re-affirming their resident's 2nd Amendment rights. I expect our county to do likewise.

David


I am hoping they keep themselves safe, in case you need the warning, stock up and make sure you keep you and yours safe as well. We are closer now to a civil war (or as the Democrats have deemed it, boogaloo) than ever.
frankj1 Offline
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better procure a couple of nukes to store in the garage if it comes to that cuz pop guns ain't gonna do it.

Hey David, I used someone's guns at the range. I'm screwed!

And also very upset to learn that Liberals are litterers.

teedubbya Offline
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The hysterics are hysterical.
Gene363 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
better procure a couple of nukes to store in the garage if it comes to that cuz pop guns ain't gonna do it.

Hey David, I used someone's guns at the range. I'm screwed!

And also very upset to learn that Liberals are litterers.




Some old VC vet would laughing his ass off at this comment.
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Gene363 wrote:
Some old VC vet would laughing his ass off at this comment.

actually, they reinvented warfare in some ways.

and it has been reinvented again over the 50 years since.

You probably know I am not anti gun ownership. But it's a romantic nostalgic dream to think it will protect us from an oppressive regime in this day and age. We need something more forceful than bullets for that.

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frankj1 wrote:
actually, they reinvented warfare in some ways.

and it has been reinvented again over the 50 years since.

You probably know I am not anti gun ownership. But it's a romantic nostalgic dream to think it will protect us from an oppressive regime in this day and age. We need something more forceful than bullets for that.



Yes. It might, unfortunately, require a guillotine at some point, but I would hope not. I do hope that 120,000+ armed individuals will make an impression for now.
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frankj1 wrote:
actually, they reinvented warfare in some ways.

and it has been reinvented again over the 50 years since.

You probably know I am not anti gun ownership. But it's a romantic nostalgic dream to think it will protect us from an oppressive regime in this day and age. We need something more forceful than bullets for that.


Yes and no. They stuck to the basics, and we just weren't prepared to deal with it. Simple works. Tech makes one over confident. We threw a gazillion sensors on the Ho Chi Minh trail, and then dropped another couple of million dollars in bombs on sensor signals. All we destroyed were trees and monkeys. d'oh!

No, no it hasn't. It still comes down to a man with a gun. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I'm not going to go into boring ass details, but I watched two guys with a bolt gun and a pistol defeat a site protected by IR, Laser and a plethora of other sensors. With a 4000 year old piece of technology. Yeah. Bring on the tech. Screw that. Give me a smart cat with a plan and discipline.

"It's hard to stop a man that knows he right and keeps on coming." Louis L'Amour

A buddy of mine, retired ISP, drove out for this this morning. He was outside the States Attorney's offices walking with a sign. He's a good man. Had other friends on the ground there as well. Virginia is the last damned place I'd try this crap. I mean hell, how's that turn in stuff working in New Jersey and Vermont?

I'm not sure they want to back good folks into a corner. That usually doesn't work out well. d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
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I’m on team USA but I don’t think they were fighting against their own government. I think they were fighting foreign invaders. We had the disadvantage in every way in that regard.



Maybe that’s simplistic though.
USNGunner Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m on team USA but I don’t think they were fighting against their own government. I think they were fighting foreign invaders. We had the disadvantage in every way in that regard.

Maybe that’s simplistic though.


They were fighting for what they believed in and their way of life. That is a powerful motivation.

Regardless of who's government it is doing the oppression.
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Ummm I'm pretty sure the gun law they were protesting was killed a week or two ago.

But hey ... That's no reason not to go marching around a state building with weapons.

Sigh.... A bunch of puppets just getting wound up and sent on their way.
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Four facets passed the House here.
- Red Flag laws
- Background checks for gun show sales
- If you don't have CCW permit, you can only buy one handgun per month.
- Towns can make libraries and other municipal places 'gun free'.

I might quibble with the language of the last one, but I am having trouble mustering a whole lot of outrage against the state legislators. I do get pizzed at all the misinformation or misleading information being spouted like in the op.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Dave, there are proposed bills that contain what I stated. Just because they have yet to be passed, does not mean they have not been proposed. Plus Northam has already voiced his support for These bills. These are the bills these Patriots where protesting. Do you think 90% of counties declaring themselves gun sanctuaries has to do with gun show background checks and one gun a month purchase? I have not read the passed so called "gun show background check" but if the wording is the same as one I read, All transfers would require a background check. That means if you hand your gun to a buddy at the range or allow a family member to hunt with your rifle or shotgun without first getting the background check, you just committed an illegal transfer.

Are you aware that Northam has stated that he will fire all law enforcement that will not enforce his new gun laws, and may bring in the National Guard if required? Yes, all this over gun show background checks and one gun a month purchase. Really? Open your eyes my friend. There is one h*'ll of a lot more coming then what you listed. Hopefully the protests have changed the minds of enough legislators to kill these proposed, and Northam supported, confiscation laws.

David
teedubbya Offline
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My outrage meter is at 0.01. No where near right wing snowflake.

DrMaddVibe Offline
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The DNC is a terrorist organization.

How Virginia allowed Gov. McBlackface to even take office is a joke to thinking people. The birthplace of leadership in this Nation of all places? So much for "Give me Liberty, or give me Death" sentiments. Just pass out the binkies and 2% milk its nap time in the Old Dominion play zone.

This entire rally was a powder keg made by them to explode on MLK Day for maximum exposure for their relentless pursuit of gun confiscation. THANK GOD, that they didn't get their wishes. Hopefully the commonwealth will return to rationality again.
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The DNC is a terrorist organization.

How Virginia allowed Gov. McBlackface to even take office is a joke to thinking people. The birthplace of leadership in this Nation of all places? So much for "Give me Liberty, or give me Death" sentiments. Just pass out the binkies and 2% milk its nap time in the Old Dominion play zone.

This entire rally was a powder keg made by them to explode on MLK Day for maximum exposure for their relentless pursuit of gun confiscation. THANK GOD, that they didn't get their wishes. Hopefully the commonwealth will return to rationality again.



The DNC is certainly not a party I can support, but your first line renders the rest of your opinion moot and not worthy of any logical consideration.
victor809 Offline
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DP, there was a more restrictive bill which redefined what an "Assault Rifle" was, but it died a week or two ago. It's not pending.

Someone is trying to get you to dance.

(For the record, I am not in favor of any of the bills dsteig listed either, but I think all protesting or outrage should be informed protesting or outrage)
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And the outrage over him "bringing in the national guard" is over their proposed bad over weapons at the Capitol building because of the expected protesting by gun owners who are wound up and set loose by someone misinforming them....

Got a bit of a chicken and an egg there.
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teedubbya wrote:
The DNC is certainly not a party I can support, but your first line renders the rest of your opinion moot and not worthy of any logical consideration.



I might not like what you have to say, but I defended your right to say it.

ANYONE that even thinks that the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" mean anything than what they are is a fool that doesn't love the Freedom they live under. When you don't have a 2nd Amendment you won't have any of the others. If it can be eroded and neutered so can all of the others because there are no teeth in that "dog".
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I might not like what you have to say, but I defended your right to say it.

ANYONE that even thinks that the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" mean anything than what they are is a fool that doesn't love the Freedom they live under. When you don't have a 2nd Amendment you won't have any of the others. If it can be eroded and neutered so can all of the others because there are no teeth in that "dog".



Thank you?
teedubbya Offline
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victor809 wrote:
And the outrage over him "bringing in the national guard" is over their proposed bad over weapons at the Capitol building because of the expected protesting by gun owners who are wound up and set loose by someone misinforming them....

Got a bit of a chicken and an egg there.



I particularly appreciate the sanctuary outrage
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David, the transfer provision wasn't in the House approved bill. Just sales.
As for what the governor may have said, wanted, dreamed about, etc....I dgaf until there's legislation up for a vote and I can read the actual text. The social media outrage over what something that never gets to floor vote amounts to fake news when facts and context are ignored.
Good thing Trump never asks or suggests crap that never gets near implementing
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I mean... they did actually put it in Senate Bill 16. But it was struck. It was a pretty amusingly bad one. Outlawed publicly carrying loaded weapons over 20 rounds, shotguns over 7.... Outlawed non-citizens to have any guns (surprised that one isn't more popular with the nutjob squad here).... redefined "Assault firearm" to basically any semi-automatic pistol or rifle and holds more than 20 rounds or can be (not necessarily is) equipped with a folding stock or silencer...

Lot of nonsense in there. But it died quickly... as it would be expected to.

Really gave someone the opportunity to wind up their puppets and set them loose though
teedubbya Offline
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stop trying to legislate my virginia.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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If the Bills are truly dead, then my bad. I can't help but believe these Bills would have passed if not for the outrage of legal Virginia gun owners and the threatened civil disobedience of the sanctuary counties. Still doesn't change the fact that Northum and the new Democrat leadership had every intention to outlaw and confiscate tens of thousands of legal firearms. Just because public outcry may have stopped the tyranny does not make the original intent any less tyrannical.

David
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don't know much about it, just figured they would never get through. felt like one of those red meat moments that get floated out there to stoke a political base or two...... especially knowing the supremes would strike most of it down anyway. it did what it was intended to do.

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teedubbya wrote:
don't know much about it, just figured they would never get through. felt like one of those red meat moments that get floated out there to stoke a political base or two...... especially knowing the supremes would strike most of it down anyway. it did what it was intended to do.



"Hey Bert, I wish I knew which nutjobs in our state would haul their tacti-cool rifles and vests to the state capitol to protest gun legislation if we actually wanted to take it away"....

"No prob frank, I'll get that info for you".
victor809 Offline
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Probably a bunch of cameras with facial recognition just logged every one of those guys into an FBI database.
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victor809 wrote:
Probably a bunch of cameras with facial recognition just logged every one of those guys into an FBI database.

except the woman with the mask
USNGunner Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
except the woman with the mask


True, but she got a mug shot so....................Shame on you
Mr. Jones Offline
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Sounds like those VIRGINIAN STATE CONGRESSMEN IN BOTH HOUSES SHOULDA' FIRED THAT "BLACK FACE"
WEARING DOUCHE BAG GOVERNOR when they had the chance ...

Now he's gone FULL NAZI BROWNSHIRT TOUTING FIREARM CONSFICATION OUT THE GOOMPA...

WHAT A UNBELIEVABLE TURN OF EVENTS...

This is not going to end well...
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teedubbya wrote:
The DNC is certainly not a party I can support, but your first line renders the rest of your opinion moot and not worthy of any logical consideration.

So, not much has changed since 2000...
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USNGunner wrote:
True, but she got a mug shot so....................Shame on you

I'm outta da looop
got brought down to the station twice, both before the age of 19, one night in jail (Waterloo NY...seemed site appropriate).

One incident ended with a massive heartfelt apology to my parents from the home town cops, the other in a "you are absolutely correct but your son will get killed if you pursue this" advice letter from the ACLU.

I had done nothing wrong either time.
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On a related point, this it want always happens; the govmut says “citizens shouldn’t be able to buy armor piercing bullies at Walmart” and the NRA translates; “they are coming for all your guns and steak knives too - in fact you will no longer be able to eat meat”. And the outrage swells....
teedubbya Offline
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Frank is OJ?
frankj1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Frank is OJ?

I was wearing gloves
Brewha Offline
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If he glove fits...
frankj1 Offline
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and ugly ass shoes
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frankj1 wrote:
I had done nothing wrong either time.



You were profiled not once but twice?
Brewha Offline
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I have been profiled my whole life (hair color).
frankj1 Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
You were profiled not once but twice?

profiled once...long hair.
the first time was really stupid but no real harm done...though it could have affected my view of cops the rest of my life, young as I was I knew it was just these idiots.
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Brewha wrote:
I have been profiled my whole life (hair color).


Well peacock purple does attract some attention
Brewha Offline
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Hater....
victor809 Offline
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6664640-Patrick-Mathews-Detention-Motion.html

Apparently there was a white supremacist group that intended to start a shooting at the VA rally. FBI arrested them ahead of time.
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Yes magical timing........the FBI is as pure as the wind driven snow.
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victor809 wrote:
Ummm I'm pretty sure the gun law they were protesting was killed a week or two ago.

But hey ... That's no reason not to go marching around a state building with weapons.

Sigh.... A bunch of puppets just getting wound up and sent on their way.


As of 1/20/2020 they are still being debated.
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dstieger wrote:
Four facets passed the House here.
- Red Flag laws
*Violates 8th Amendment as it doesn’t allow for due process prior to seizure.*
- Background checks for gun show sales
- If you don't have CCW permit, you can only buy one handgun per month.
What REAL purpose does this serve?
- Towns can make libraries and other municipal places 'gun free'.

I might quibble with the language of the last one, but I am having trouble mustering a whole lot of outrage against the state legislators. I do get pizzed at all the misinformation or misleading information being spouted like in the op.

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