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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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Lol
dstieger Offline
#52 Posted:
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USNGunner wrote:
True. But they elect the most left leaning dufus heads that vote pure pelosi and schumer. ThumbDown

Not talking


Was only because I watched one of the Senate votes last week that I realized (learned?) that Sanders is still the JUNIOR senator from Vermont...not just in terms of terms, but youngest, also.

I thought Leahy died 15 or 20 years ago.
delta1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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America is only a few heartbeats, less than a generation, away from a sea change in political leadership
Brewha Offline
#54 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I love him...not necessarily rooting for all the talking points, but I could listen to him talk forever.
Best energy of them all.

I also love that (it seems) he may be the only candidate that is not indebted to any blood suckers who would use him. Nor does it seem he is in bed with any for his own benefit. Donors are like 18 bucks each and he has the most donors by far. That is so cool. And he's really not an official Democrat. He's not likely to stump for Dems in other states.
He's pretty much unaffiliated, I find that appealing.

Since he would be limited to President and not be King, I trust that he may lead us back to (but limited to) center, maybe a smidge left which I can handle, due to the constraints the other branches would impose on his talking points.

Yet he has managed to work well with GOP senators on stuff like defense/military. He is almost palatable to 2nd amendment purists, Vermont is pretty rural...for a self professed socialist, he manages to find compromise where none of the others can.

That said, I'm still leaning 3rd party in the finals, but I might drop my "unenrolled" status for the Primaries and give The Bern a vote to help right the wrong that Hillary pulled last time.

All well taken points.

I guess for me he is a bit too accurate, too correctly eye on the ball. So it is an electability thing - Americans don’t like things that make long term sense. They like bold people who are sick of “crap”.

Make that people in stead of Americans.
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#55 Posted:
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fwiw, he seems pretty bold, willing to call BS when he sees it.
He seems less timid, perhaps due to his age, as though he isn't playing safe so as to not lose...none of which has any bearing on his political philosophy.
But at least he has said philosophy, agree with it or not, and how many others are as willing to be clear.
Brewha Offline
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True, true.

But for his ideas to be valuable they must be practical. And while I agree with him buy and large - I just don't see it ever happening.

Get the wealthy to pay their fair share?? Hell, the typical right wing lackey can't even fathom the idea of a fair share - out side of "might makes right" that is.

Good luck to us all.
delta1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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yeah....I don't understand why some folks are willing to accept being scorned as second class and run over by the wealthy class, ceding power and authority to them so they can further widen the wealth gap...
USNGunner Offline
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delta1 wrote:
yeah....I don't understand why some folks are willing to accept being scorned as second class and run over by the wealthy class, ceding power and authority to them so they can further widen the wealth gap...


While there is the lucky genes club, most of the folks making money "worked for it". That is the point of the nation.

"Life, Liberty, and The pursuit of happiness..................."

Not "Here's your handout, it's all we got this week. The rich guys quit working when we just took their earnings."

You want to cede power and authority, go socialist. Seriously.

Dudes, all you have to do is look at the countries where it has happened. The only change is "more extreme poverty". It gets worst for most. Except for those in power, they have it better.

I can't fathom how an American can think that's the way. I just don't understand that mentality. Are we truly Rome? I fear we've got to fat and entitled.

I agree a sea change is coming, but I'm afraid it's not going to be a good one. Brick wall
delta1 Offline
#59 Posted:
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you're missing a key concept of progressive thought...support the average laborer, the daily wage earner, they built this...

the wealthy class have always taken advantage of the power and authority their wealth provides for self-enrichment, and rarely, if ever, treated the working class as something better than a resource to be exploited...

almost all of the rights provided by US law for the average working man were written into law over the objections of the wealthy...
Brewha Offline
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USNGunner wrote:
While there is the lucky genes club, most of the folks making money "worked for it". That is the point of the nation.

"Life, Liberty, and The pursuit of happiness..................."

Not "Here's your handout, it's all we got this week. The rich guys quit working when we just took their earnings."

You want to cede power and authority, go socialist. Dudes, all you have to do is look at the countries where it has happened. The only change is "more extreme poverty". It gets worst for most. Except for those in power, they have it better.

I can't fathom how an American can think that's the way. I just don't understand that mentality. Are we truly Rome? I fear we've got to fat and entitled.

I agree a sea change is coming, but I'm afraid it's not going to be a good one. Brick wall

Perhaps you think the rapidly growing wealth gap is not real. Perhaps you don’t believe that wages are stagnant or loosing ground do to inflation. Maybe you just think that companies should not pay taxes - or there owner for that matter.

Or maybe the idea of power corrupting is unfathomable.

But my guess would be that you think the world is on the level.
USNGunner Offline
#61 Posted:
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No. I just look around. Look at what's going on, and think for myself.
Brewha Offline
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Fair enough.
Brewha Offline
#63 Posted:
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You figure it’s a fair enough playing field then?
USNGunner Offline
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Everybody has the same opportunities if and I say if, "They are willing to WORK FOR IT!".

Nobody ever gave me crap. My folks were hard working but not wealthy. I made my own way. Everybody can.

Why should the feds take money from me to give to some schmub that doesn't want to work at it?

When all the libs in the country voluntarily turn in 50% of their worth, you come talk to me. Until then it's just all bull**** pie in the sky.

Wait, I mis-spelled the "liberal agenda". Sorry.
Brewha Offline
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USNGunner wrote:
Everybody has the same opportunities if and I say if, "They are willing to WORK FOR IT!".

Nobody ever gave me crap. My folks were hard working but not wealthy. I made my own way. Everybody can.

Why should the feds take money from me to give to some schmub that doesn't want to work at it?

When all the libs in the country voluntarily turn in 50% of their worth, you come talk to me. Until then it's just all bull**** pie in the sky.

Wait, I mis-spelled the "liberal agenda". Sorry.

Well, if you started from a rich family who connected you, loaned you a couple million and kept you from failing - you would be “somebody” by now. And could tell people that you started with nothing.

Life is hardly fair or equal among people. And the world has never - never - been on the level. Always tilted for those who make the rules, own the judges and hold the important land.

“the first million is the hardest”.

But I think Hitler said that....
delta1 Offline
#66 Posted:
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50% is ridiculous...neither libs nor cons believe that is a righteous tax....I'd take the 15% capital gains tax rate if it was applied across the board to all Americans, citizen and corporate, without special credits, incentives, exemptions that aren't available to the average American...it is those exceptions that whittle down the effective tax rate for the wealthiest and for corporations, so many don't pay any tax...

Trump himself said he didn't pay taxes because he was smart...

unless 50%, for libs, is part of a progressive plan that is attached to income amounts at a very high level, which was the case in the days when "America was great"...the highest tax rate then was 90% for income above several millions of dollars...

some average opportunities are better than other average opportunities...there are built in disadvantages in our society where some environments don't provide those opportunities...many poverty stricken Americans don't have two working parents...that's just the first hurdle...
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I think many hardworking people see the poor around them, some lazy, some not, and figure they largely deserve it because they should work harder, longer, be whiter, whatever. Never seeing how many truly wealthy people never work, or worse just “work” so they can have control and power over others.

“They wouldn’t be rich unless they deserve it, right? Same goes for the poor.”

And the nursery rhyme winds along....
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#68 Posted:
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The country has never been fair, and anyone claiming that "everyone has the same opportunities if only they were willing to work" is a f-cking moron of the highest caliber.

That being said, I am not really interested in helping the poor.

I just am disgusted by the people who use "everyone has the same opportunities" bs lines to try to justify keeping their assets and keeping others from getting some of their own.

Grow a pair, be a man, be willing to say "no, I don't want to help others out because I really don't care that much about anyone but myself".
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victor809 wrote:
The country has never been fair, and anyone claiming that "everyone has the same opportunities if only they were willing to work" is a f-cking moron of the highest caliber.

That being said, I am not really interested in helping the poor.

I just am disgusted by the people who use "everyone has the same opportunities" bs lines to try to justify keeping their assets and keeping others from getting some of their own.

Grow a pair, be a man, be willing to say "no, I don't want to help others out because I really don't care that much about anyone but myself".


USNGunner - submitted for your perusal, peoples exhibit number one; Victor809, an intelligent, hardworking, well heeled social misanthrope with not love nor pity for the poor - working or otherwise. Says life is not fair and too bad for you.

Oh, welcome back Victor. Was your jail time reformative?
victor809 Offline
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Not in the least, but thank you.
USNGunner Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Life is hardly fair or equal among people. And the world has never - never - been on the level.


Finally we agree. This is true. Some have to work harder at it than others. But that is there choice. Just like laying around and blaming it on "rich folks" is a choice.

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Always tilted for those who make the rules, own the judges and hold the important land.


See "life's not fair. Nobody says it's easy. One either reaches down into themselves and says "**** this, I can do this!" or they don't. It's a choice. And it's on every one of us.


"Let them eat Cake" Marie Antoinette. To her socialist serfs.
USNGunner Offline
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Brewha wrote:
USNGunner - submitted for your perusal, peoples exhibit number one; Victor809, an intelligent, hardworking, well heeled social misanthrope with not love nor pity for the poor - working or otherwise. Says life is not fair and too bad for you.

Oh, welcome back Victor. Was your jail time reformative?


That kind of nonsense is why I blocked him. Good bye brewha.
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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Well...not everyone can take it I guess...

















18th century France had socialists? I thought Marie Antoinette was a monarch....
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#74 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Well...not everyone can take it I guess...



18th century France had socialists? I thought Marie Antoinette was a monarch....

Don't ask for logic.
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