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Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 8:31 PM EST
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ram27bat

Mitch McConnell pulls a slam dunk for the GOP...

SHIFFTY SHIFF SPITTING FIRE AND BRIMSTONE...FATTY MUNCHKIN NADLER CURLS UP INTO A FETAL POSITION ON THE SENATE FLOOR...

UNKNOWN TRUMP LAWYER GUYS GO BACK TO ANONIMITY AND THE SHADOWS OF WASHINGTON D.C....BIG party at the GEORGETOWN SPEAKEASY TONIGHT....

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I'M A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT.. BUT WAS TOTALLY AGAINST THIS IMPEACHMENT FIASCO FROM THE GET GO...the Democratic party has gone totally wacky and beyond the normalcy of the 1960's thru Y2K/2000...it's a mere shadow of it's heyday times and policies...
USNGunner Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:14 PM EST
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Yep. The turtle pulled it off. The democrats looked like a bunch of loonie ass klansmen headed out for a lynching. They did not do themselves any favors. ThumbDown
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:24 PM EST
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I love the idea of being upset about witnesses not being called at the trial, when they weren’t called in the investigation. DemocRATs are even bigger POS than republicants.....

They presented their case without them, live with it.


This is what they did to fling mud on DJT and the senate before an election and is the pound of flesh the far left kooks (now most of the party) were calling for. Now they can say they did “everything they could” and they need more seats.


Same GD kabooki theatre it always is.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:26 PM EST
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The Shifty Schiff $hitty Sham Show has lowered the curtain.

Pass out the Kleenex and Jager!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:28 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I love the idea of being upset about witnesses not being called at the trial, when they weren’t called in the investigation. DemocRATs are even bigger POS than republicants.....

They presented their case without them, live with it.


This is what they did to fling mud on DJT and the senate before an election and is the pound of flesh the far left kooks (now most of the party) were calling for. Now they can say they did “everything they could” and they need more seats.


Same GD kabooki theatre it always is.



I can't wait to hear it up in here with the "if they wudda allowed witnesses" morons.

BIGGLY win!
Krazeehorse Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:46 PM EST
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Long time until November. Get ready for plans B, C and D.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 9:59 PM EST
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You don't even know what just happened.
izonfire Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:00 PM EST
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Blocking witnesses.
Sounds like the pursuit of justice to me...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:01 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Blocking witnesses.
Sounds like the pursuit of justice to me...


...and we have a winnah
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:10 PM EST
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Izon, why didn’t the house do their job then before they claimed to have an airtight case that would get Trump convicted in 3 seconds?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:12 PM EST
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Damn, remember when Ken Starr had to subpoena witnesses and the executive branch said no?


I do!

Oh wait..musta been that Civics class I took!
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:17 PM EST
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I remember Obama claiming Executive Privilege a lot......

#OUTRAGEOUS
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:21 PM EST
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I'd have liked to see Biden, his kid, Schiff, and the whistleblower called.

Meh.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:35 PM EST
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no interest in Bolton?
MACS Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 31 2020, 10:51 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no interest in Bolton?


Nah... I don't think he had anything to add. The dems could have talked to him in the house, and didn't want to.

Schumer just said in an interview... "the truth will eventually come out"... which proves he had NOTHING, yet brought this farce on anyway. He wants the Senate to do what he should have done in the house... but couldn't because he has no evidence.

Kinda curious what the 18th witness had to say, too... but Schifty Schiff didn't want to release that.
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 5:46 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Long time until November. Get ready for plans B, C and D.

Bingo!
fishinguitarman Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 8:23 AM EST
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TRUMP
DrMaddVibe Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 9:51 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Nah... I don't think he had anything to add. The dems could have talked to him in the house, and didn't want to.

Schumer just said in an interview... "the truth will eventually come out"... which proves he had NOTHING, yet brought this farce on anyway. He wants the Senate to do what he should have done in the house... but couldn't because he has no evidence.

Kinda curious what the 18th witness had to say, too... but Schifty Schiff didn't want to release that.



Ya don't say?

https://youtu.be/a7WN3XKkCTI


WELL!



What we just had was the laziest and most partisan impeachment ever. They chose not to involve the judicial system. They told us they had "evidence" and "proof beyond all measure" and that this case and it's "facts" were "irrefutable". All they had was 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of a phone call...that Trump already released the transcript! Here we were told YEARS ago they were impeaching him because of Russia collision. The DNC colluded with Russia! The fake dossier that was used to snare Carter Page (who's lawsuit is moving forward!) with illegal obtained FISA warrants were the crux of what the DNC had. Once again the DNC pointed a finger, and had 3 more pointing back at themselves. Hopefully, the truth will come out during the Carter Page lawsuit and the others that will follow. It will not be kind nor what Chuck You Schumer wants to hear though.
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 11:49 AM EST
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This says the most to me, Allen Dershowitz's speech where he says's he would make the same defense of Hillary if she fat the same allegations as Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-v4XW2o6Q



A letter to liberals from Dave with the best parts of what Allen Dershowitz said about this completely partizan impeachment. Just start it at 1:18 if you're impatient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVKeQ4jXbQo
CelticBomber Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 11:57 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I love the idea of being upset about witnesses not being called at the trial, when they weren’t called in the investigation. DemocRATs are even bigger POS than republicants.....

They presented their case without them, live with it.


This is what they did to fling mud on DJT and the senate before an election and is the pound of flesh the far left kooks (now most of the party) were calling for. Now they can say they did “everything they could” and they need more seats.


Same GD kabooki theatre it always is.


Seriously? Even the President's lawyers's mentioned all the witnesses called during the congressional hearings.....
MACS Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 12:48 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Seriously? Even the President's lawyers's mentioned all the witnesses called during the congressional hearings.....


You mean in the private house hearings? Witnesses that were not cross examined? Those witnesses?
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 12:50 PM EST
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I have only two questions from this process. Does either party even care remotely about us, the American people? Which party damaged itself worse from this political debacle? I do think I know the answers but am not entirely sure. No and the Democrats.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:14 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
This says the most to me, Allen Dershowitz's speech where he says's he would make the same defense of Hillary if she fat the same allegations as Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-v4XW2o6Q



A letter to liberals from Dave with the best parts of what Allen Dershowitz said about this completely partizan impeachment. Just start it at 1:18 if you're impatient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVKeQ4jXbQo


Thank you for the links. I found both videos interesting. I have watched several of Blue Collar Dave's videos, and to me he makes a lot of sense. Just read through his comment section of hundreds of Democrats and Independents who state they will be voting for Trump in 2020. I left the Republican party for the Libertarians in 1996 when I just could not bring myself to vote for Bob Dole. I've voted Libertarian in every Presidential election since then, but this year I will follow what I did in 2018 and vote Republican across the board. The Democrats have their whining and temper tantrums to thank for that. Is Trump a pompous, egotistical twit? Of course he is. Is he morally bankrupt? I believe so, but I really like the way he is fighting for America and the average American Citizen.

I read a recent claim that 25% of the attendees at Trump's recent massive Wildwood NJ rally where registered Democrats. I don't know if it's true, but if it is, it goes to show that the Democrats have shot themselves in the foot with their viral, unending hatred.

Just my opinion,
David
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:15 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I have only two questions from this process. Does either party even care remotely about us, the American people? Which party damaged itself worse from this political debacle? I do think I know the answers but am not entirely sure. No and the Democrats.



The parliament of whores only cares about money and power, theirs not yours.
izonfire Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:20 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Izon, why didn’t the house do their job then before they claimed to have an airtight case that would get Trump convicted in 3 seconds?

irrelevant
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:28 PM EST
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LMAO yeah buddy.

CB the WITNESSES the democrats did NOT CALL in the house proceedings and are now crying about the Senate NOT CALLING. Also CB why would they need to recall witnesses who have already testified?
delta1 Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:40 PM EST
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House didn't subpoena Bolton because his lawyer informed them he would litigate their effort to make him testify...that would have drawn the investigation out for many months...House Intel Comte wanted Bolton, Mulvaney, Duffy and Pompeo and the WH said no way...

they prolly felt they had a good case with those who were courageous enough to voluntarily testify despite the WH urging them not to...

Bolton could have disobeyed the WH, since he was no longer working for Trump when the impeachment investigation started, and voluntarily gone in to testify, like the many others who helped to pull the shade back from this covert scheme...pretty sure Trump would've fought that all the way to the Supreme Court, arguing some sort of privilege or immunity...

also seems like Bolton has another motivation to hint at his "willingness to spill the beans"....he's trying to sell a book...and we fell for it...even Fox News threw him overboard, but now he's back in their good graces
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 1:50 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
LMAO yeah buddy.

CB the WITNESSES the democrats did NOT CALL in the house proceedings and are now crying about the Senate NOT CALLING. Also CB why would they need to recall witnesses who have already testified?


they got what they wanted by pushing the case to the Senate for trial...impeachment was the real goal...conviction in the Senate was always not even a pipe dream...

all the mewings about who should testify at the Senate trial is all about shaping public opinion about the corrupt and obstructive nature of the Trump administration...like telling the American people that they want the whole truth about the Trump/Ukraine 2016 and 2020 elections meddling scheme...all aimed to cast more negative light on Trump for 2020 without having to spend a dollar on campaign ads...

similar to all the GOP investigations of Hilldog in the years prior to 2016...continuous negative publicity to discredit her in the eyes of potential voters...
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 8:02 PM EST
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She needed so much help...
delta1 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Feb 1 2020, 8:23 PM EST
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if she had won, she'd have been impeached too...GOP had a majority in the House from 2017 to 2018....prolly not convicted though...GOP didn't have a super majority in the Senate, but it woulda been close...enough Dems don't like her...pretty sure Bernie woulda voted to convict...
Whistlebritches Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 1:48 PM EST
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I was never on the fence as I saw no credible evidence.For those that were on the fence this should've swayed you to a nay.If it did not you're just as purely partisan as Nancy Delusional Pelosi and Adam Schitshow Schiff IMNSHO.

Gene363 wrote:
This says the most to me, Allen Dershowitz's speech where he says's he would make the same defense of Hillary if she fat the same allegations as Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-v4XW2o6Q



A letter to liberals from Dave with the best parts of what Allen Dershowitz said about this completely partizan impeachment. Just start it at 1:18 if you're impatient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVKeQ4jXbQo
frankj1 Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 1:56 PM EST
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what I think I've been seeing and hearing is that the defense was not denying the facts as the Dems charged, but that it was not something that should result in removal from office.
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 3:51 PM EST
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pretty much what Dershowitz's position is...

Trump's behavior of offering a quid pro quo is wrong if solely for personal financial gain, but given every POTUS acts with mixed motives, if any small part of his intent is for the good of the nation, then it's not impeachable...


most Constitutional law experts disagree with that...if that is the standard, all future impeachments would be moot...
Whistlebritches Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Feb 2 2020, 10:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
pretty much what Dershowitz's position is...

Trump's behavior of offering a quid pro quo is wrong if solely for personal financial gain, but given every POTUS acts with mixed motives, if any small part of his intent is for the good of the nation, then it's not impeachable...


most Constitutional law experts disagree with that...if that is the standard, all future impeachments would be moot...



Dershowitz was dead on point with the framers

No quid pro quo was ever proven so let's just knock that schit off.

Hopefully lessons learned here...…..Do not claim the sky is falling if the sky is not falling.In the future I would hope the opposition party would not bring impeachment charges short of offenses worthy of removal from office.This was an expensive circus at tax payers expense.
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Feb 3 2020, 4:46 PM EST
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not sure that the Framers meant only treason and bribery...

"high crimes and misdemeanors" is a much debated concept, evolving from the term "maladministration"...the Framers did not say they wanted to limit impeachment to only those crimes that existed at the time they were writing the Constitution...since their time, so much wrongful behavior has been specifically addressed by enaction of criminal laws...


they spoke of incompetence or ineffective use of power...an abuse or violation of some public trust...
J. Engels, writes, in "Impeachment: an American History" : Madison and his fellow proponents cited examples of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” “What if a president works with a foreign power? Well, then of course he should be impeached. What if a president decides to try and make money in office? Well, then he must be impeached. What if a president lies as part of his campaign? … Well, then of course he should be impeached.”


the Framers were building a government that was in contrast to the one they fled: an oppressive monarchy that gave all power to the King...they were seeking to limit the power of the executive when they put in place the process of impeachment...Dershowitz's interpretation ignores that the Framers were trying to put into place guidelines to prevent an autocracy...if Dershowitz is right, then we would accomplish the opposite of what the Framers had in mind when they sought to limit the power of the POTUS through the power of impeachment....
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