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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted:
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Or should I say the State of the Union Address. Both the POTUS and the Speaker of the House should've behaved like adults.

Good effective governance shouldn't play out like a kindergarten class.
The whole lot are a bunch of deplorable. fog horse
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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So, Trump shoulda bowed to Pelosi..?? Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Meh, he may have snubbed her, but in the NYT video he is already turning away when she reaches out. She politically stabbed him in the back so I would not shake her had at all, maybe after he is acquitted, but made not.

She let Trump, "get her goat", however she might have been jonesing for a drink, who knows.
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One cannot insult people 364 days of the year and then expect them all to be respectful of whatever crap you're spewing on the 365th day. To be fair, I don't think trump expected her to be nice to him. But his idiotic sycophants are sure butthurt that someone who constantly insults members of congress was treated poorly once.
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Yeah, the democrats have been azzholes for years and years.
Brewha Offline
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victor809 wrote:
One cannot insult people 364 days of the year and then expect them all to be respectful of whatever crap you're spewing on the 365th day. To be fair, I don't think trump expected her to be nice to him. But his idiotic sycophants are sure butthurt that someone who constantly insults members of congress was treated poorly once.

So...we should call him President Butthurt?
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted:
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No, I was very specific that I didn't think he was personally bothered by it.

Maybe call his sycophants butthurt
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted:
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I thought I made it pretty clear that both of them behaved poorly.

In my mind neither should be given a pass on the this one.
fishinguitarman Offline
#9 Posted:
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#4 you mean like how you act
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted:
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Do be a DooBee
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted:
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Gotta find somethin to blame Trump for i guess... if it wasn't for him Pelosi wouldn't have torn up da Constitution and stuff... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#12 Posted:
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Is a sycophant a type of elephant?
Brewha Offline
#13 Posted:
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jjanecka wrote:
Is a sycophant a type of elephant?

Yes - that is why the Republicans us the elephant as their symbol...
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
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Trump was the adult in the room again.

He handed Nancy and Pence a copy of the speech and as he starts to turn around she THEN puts her hand out. Had she done it sooner he may or may not have shook it, but when she did was either purposeful (and a type of thing DJT is hyper sensitive to) or it was just a slow reaction by her.

The democrats reactions were Joe Wilson esque topped off by crazy drunk Nancy’s temper tantrum.
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted:
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jjanecka wrote:
Is a sycophant a type of elephant?


yep... a mentally disturbed one. Some may even call it psycho....
Krazeehorse Offline
#16 Posted:
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If Pelosi had said and done all that stuff to me there's no way in hell I would shake her hand. Wouldn't really care who got their panties in a wad about it either. All the history books are going to tell the story about Trump being impeached. And she's the one responsible for that.
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted:
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.... wouldn't that be a good thing for her?
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted:
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Had it been bi-partisan like she insisted it should be then maybe... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Had it been bi-partisan like she insisted it should be then maybe... Mellow


It's never really been bipartisan. Even the Nixon impeachment, which was never even voted on in the House, was mostly Dems, with a few Republicans willing to cross party lines.

Bipartisan is used pretty inaccurately a lot these days.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted:
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She definitely used the word wrong then... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
She definitely used the word wrong then... Mellow


I don't think she ever said the vote to Impeach was bipartisan.

It most certainly wasn't, as zero republicans voted for it, so you're going to have to provide some evidence she called that bipartisan.
MACS Offline
#22 Posted:
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I would not have shaken her hand, either. The bitch responsible for the impeachment, who had special pens made for the occasion, wants to shake hands?!?

F*** you, bitch.

Her tearing up the speech? Who gives a sh*t?
DrafterX Offline
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1QS2JG

Mellow
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1QS2JG

Mellow


She's not saying the impeachment of trump was bipartisan there. The impeachment had not even been begun yet. In March of 2019 she was not in favor of it unless it was going to be bipartisan. She obviously changed her mind.
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I would not have shaken her hand, either. The bitch responsible for the impeachment, who had special pens made for the occasion, wants to shake hands?!?

F*** you, bitch.

Her tearing up the speech? Who gives a sh*t?

Why is it the crook always blames the cop for being charged with a crime?
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted:
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I'm well aware of that Victor... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm well aware of that Victor... Mellow


Ah, I see, I misread your original statement.

You're right, at one point she thought it should be bipartisan.

Maybe she looked at how bipartisan previous impeachments have been and said "aw f-ck it, let's just do this"... or she decided that the evidence she saw indicated it was bad enough to justify in her mind. Or she got political pressure. I don't know what caused her to change her stance.

but no. The actual impeachment was not bipartisan, and no impeachment has been bipartisan really.
delta1 Offline
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the behavior of all the participants, including the audience and the invited "contestants"/guests, seemed appropriate for the new reality that has over-taken our politics...thanks Trump
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Why is it the crook always blames the cop for being charged with a crime?


She's no cop and there was no crime.
Tittums Offline
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I am not upset at all that Pelosi ripped up her copy of his speech. She did "my side" a favor by emptying a bottle of lighter fuel on the "sore loser children who are still pissed off their president did not win" narrative. (forgive me, "tore loser".)

Her reason for doing it "It was the courteous thing to do given the alternative" gives us so many alternatives to speculate and suggest she could be a security threat to the President.

I can say in full honesty I hope they spend whatever time left they have in office trying to impeach my president again. I already know I cannot count on these people to do anything for the American people so I will embrace them giving further evidence that their hatred for Trump will supersede them doing anything for the American people.
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted:
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so...are you saying those people who didn't vote for Trump are not Americans?
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted:
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Hillary lost... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted:
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People who didn’t vote for Trump are deplorables who should be silenced by force with pressure on NFPs by the IRS and their candidates should be spies upon by our intelligence community and even use entrapment with help from foreign offials if necessary. We should also use information mediums like television, music, internet (any entertainment avenue possible) and even use our educational system to systematically indoctrinate them.



#OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Why is it the crook always blames the cop for being charged with a crime?


Well if the 👠 fits...
Tittums Offline
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delta1 wrote:
so...are you saying those people who didn't vote for Trump are not Americans?


If we are being honest here and a now acquitted Trump decides to live up to the Hitler democrats have portrayed him to be... I would look the other way if he put people who vote democrat into death camps.
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Tittums wrote:
If we are being honest here and a now acquitted Trump decides to live up to the Hitler democrats have portrayed him to be... I would look the other way if he put people who vote democrat into death camps.


I'm just gonna make sure I quote that here so it's retained for posterity.
Brewha Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Well if the 👠 fits...

So at least we agree that Trump should have been impeached.

Pity the right gave him a pass card.
JadeRose Offline
#38 Posted:
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I think they should all be taken out and executed for treason.
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Tittums wrote:
If we are being honest here and a now acquitted Trump decides to live up to the Hitler democrats have portrayed him to be... I would look the other way if he put people who vote democrat into death camps.

I thought you told me you were taking a break so as to not post angry azzhole stuff!
This is worse. Take it from a friend, it's not even over-the-top humor.
delta1 Offline
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Tittums wrote:
If we are being honest here and a now acquitted Trump decides to live up to the Hitler democrats have portrayed him to be... I would look the other way if he put people who vote democrat into death camps.


dayum...

I can't think of a single lib here who wants any con to be dead for a political view...this sounds like the extremist cons on the far right who are promoting "A Second American Civil War"....really?














edit: ooops...Jade showed up...

JadeRose wrote:
I think they should all be taken out and executed for treason.


dammit man, that was supposed to stay in da clubhouse...
frankj1 Offline
#41 Posted:
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jade never claims to be liberal, but he does dislike Trump
Abrignac Offline
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Brewha wrote:
So at least we agree that Trump should have been impeached.

Pity the right gave him a pass card.


Not at all
Article 1) Don’t feel the Ukrainian issue is an impeachable event. If one studies the writings of the framers of the Constitution they would find the this was not in line the intent of Impeachment.

Article 2) The SCOTUS mediates disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Think separation of powers, checks and balances etc.... No part of the Constitution says Congress is Superior to the President.

If Article 1 is flawed, then Article 2 is irrelevant.

Try again.
Cathcam13 Offline
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No Comment. I still have that gag order in place.........😕
Brewha Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Not at all
Article 1) Don’t feel the Ukrainian issue is an impeachable event. If one studies the writings of the framers of the Constitution they would find the this was not in line the intent of Impeachment.

Article 2) The SCOTUS mediates disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Think separation of powers, checks and balances etc.... No part of the Constitution says Congress is Superior to the President.

If Article 1 is flawed, then Article 2 is irrelevant.

Try again.

Seems you pass up a perfect chance to be disbarred by not becoming a lawyer.

But my dad wanted me to be a lawyer too, and I passed on it.
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Not at all
Article 1) Don’t feel the Ukrainian issue is an impeachable event. If one studies the writings of the framers of the Constitution they would find the this was not in line the intent of Impeachment.

Article 2) The SCOTUS mediates disagreements between the Executive and Legislative branches. Think separation of powers, checks and balances etc.... No part of the Constitution says Congress is Superior to the President.

If Article 1 is flawed, then Article 2 is irrelevant.

Try again.



the writings of the Framers who cobbled together the power of impeachment showed what their intent was: it was to limit the power of a monarchical executive...they were looking for some constraints on an POTUS who was an authoritarian...they did not contemplate a POTUS with limitless power who could avoid impeachment by fiat...

makes no sense when you know what they were trying to accomplish...they used George Washington, a humble hero, up as an example and wondered what to do with an anti-Washington...
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
the writings of the Framers who cobbled together the power of impeachment showed what their intent was: it was to limit the power of a monarchical executive...they were looking for some constraints on an POTUS who was an authoritarian...they did not contemplate a POTUS with limitless power who could avoid impeachment by fiat...

makes no sense when you know what they were trying to accomplish...they used George Washington, a humble hero, up as an example and wondered what to do with an anti-Washington...


Perhaps you’re due a review of those writings?
delta1 Offline
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gladly...tell me what essays of the Federalist Papers describe your conclusion....
Tittums Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I thought you told me you were taking a break so as to not post angry azzhole stuff!
This is worse. Take it from a friend, it's not even over-the-top humor.


I told you I was taking a break until my president was acquited (forever). He is now acquited. Gloating is fun. I believe you told me (and I apologize in advance if I am incorrect) that not everything is black and white and you were right. Everything is Republican or Communism. Now I know you are not a communist but you have a lot of hate for your only choice other than the communist candidates that make up this elections batch of Democrats.
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delta1 wrote:
gladly...tell me what essays of the Federalist Papers describe your conclusion....


The one that cautions against using impeachment for partisan reasons.
Tittums Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
The one that cautions against using impeachment for partisan reasons.


They hate our president and will suck off whichever party attempts to get rid of him. We must stop getting angry at these people and be thankful they will solidify a second term with their constant whining of bad orange man.
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