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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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Posts: 98,547
The Framers prolly didn't expect 5 of the last Republican Presidents to be threatened with impeachment either... sounds like abuse of power or somethin to me... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,589
Monarchical executive?!!!

You did see how the house behaved right?

LMAO .....co equal branches bro.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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Posts: 44,221
Tittums wrote:
I told you I was taking a break until my president was acquited (forever). He is now acquited. Gloating is fun. I believe you told me (and I apologize in advance if I am incorrect) that not everything is black and white and you were right. Everything is Republican or Communism. Now I know you are not a communist but you have a lot of hate for your only choice other than the communist candidates that make up this elections batch of Democrats.

I did say you did not allow for anything other than black or white, and I smiled now as you switched it to Republican or Commie out of respect to me...HA!

But that hate you are sensing is coming from within. I may hate that so-and-so is President or even the center fielder for the Yankees, but I don't really hate them as real people, nor wish him/her harm, nor wish him/her dead. We need to work on that stuff.

OK. maybe I'd wish for a slight hamstring twinge for the center fielder when the Yanks are playing the Red Sox.

We on for coffee in the morning?
Tittums Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2019
Posts: 524
frankj1 wrote:
I did say you did not allow for anything other than black or white, and I smiled now as you switched it to Republican or Commie out of respect to me...HA!

But that hate you are sensing is coming from within. I may hate that so-and-so is President or even the center fielder for the Yankees, but I don't really hate them as real people, nor wish him/her harm, nor wish him/her dead. We need to work on that stuff.

OK. maybe I'd wish for a slight hamstring twinge for the center fielder when the Yanks are playing the Red Sox.

We on for coffee in the morning?


We're always on for coffee in the morning. You know this.
fishinguitarman Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2006
Posts: 69,148
Republicans and commies in the same sentence??

That’s a gem Frank!😂

That should be one word anyway

Commudemosocialists
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Drafter... Perhaps fewer Republican presidents would have impeachment attempts if fewer Republican presidents did impeachable things...

Seriously... What's that quote? " The reason that bad things happen to you... is because you're a dumbass. "
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
fishinguitarman wrote:
Republicans and commies in the same sentence??

That’s a gem Frank!😂

That should be one word anyway

Commudemosocialists

Can't take the credit as I was quoting tittums.

Tittums Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2019
Posts: 524
frankj1 wrote:
Can't take the credit as I was quoting tittums.



Go ahead and take it, if I wasn't home I'd say take my keys too. I'm drunk.
delta1 Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,782
Republicans are to Nazis what Democrats are to Communists....


that didn't feel as good typing as I imagined ...


nor does it contribute much to civil political discourse...


dammm...it's hard trying to act like a con....
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
Tittums wrote:
Go ahead and take it, if I wasn't home I'd say take my keys too. I'm drunk.

that's it...you're grounded!
Brewha Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
Posts: 12,170
Perhaps he will find himself now.

No mater where you go, there you are....
Tittums Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2019
Posts: 524
delta1 wrote:
Republicans are to Nazis what Democrats are to Communists....


that didn't feel as good typing as I imagined ...


nor does it contribute much to civil political discourse...


dammm...it's hard trying to act like a con....


Communism is a stretch. I will give you that. But are you going to deny the socialist tendencies of the majority of the Democrat's Presidential offerings? Nevermind AOC ready to take up the torch the second Bernie has the heart-attack that finally does him in.
JadeRose Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 05-15-2008
Posts: 19,525
frankj1 wrote:
jade never claims to be liberal, but he does dislike Trump





I despise Trump but he is not the disease as most think. He's just another symptom. He is but a festering pustule on the 'taint of the disease ridden body. Our whole system is broken beyond repair. The real powers that be LOVE to see the divisiveness that has permeated this country. While we fight about Trump and Pelosi, they steal more wealth, more power and more of our freedoms. Americans have grown, fat, lazy, and stupid. We bicker and fight on the internet and it FEELS like we are doing something about "our side" when, in fact, we are doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing. Being distracted. None of this matters anymore. Whether Trump is POTUS or Hilldog, Bush, Bernie, or Obama. Different puppets...same strings. Our current system is f*cked beyond repair, in my opinion, and it all needs to burn and have a new one built upon it's ashes.
rfenst Offline
#64 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,289
Tittums wrote:
If we are being honest here and a now acquitted Trump decides to live up to the Hitler democrats have portrayed him to be... I would look the other way if he put people who vote democrat into death camps.

Not funny.
jjanecka Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
Republicans are nowhere near Nazis. Nazis advocate for authoritative centrist policies (facism). Pretty much all American Democrats (with the exception of Bernie Sander's centrism) are still conservative and to the far right of socialist (nazi) policies; they too are indeed authoritative (north) but liberals like the green party are Libertarian aligned (south). Republicans advocate for conservative (far right) semi-authoritative (north) policies or Libertarianism (south)
jjanecka Offline
#66 Posted:
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North and south are not regional ideologies either. They represent alignment with either Authoritarianism or Libertarianism
Krazeehorse Offline
#67 Posted:
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Posts: 1,958
Looks like Nancy planned her little show.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ning-rip-speech.html
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#68 Posted:
Joined: 08-23-2014
Posts: 1,373
delta1 wrote:
dayum...

I can't think of a single lib here who wants any con to be dead for a political view...this sounds like the extremist cons on the far right who are promoting "A Second American Civil War"....really?
..


I guess you don't spend a whole lot of time on other media platforms. Last night after Trump's acquittal, I was told by one person that I needed to be sent to a reeducation camp. Another one called me a Putin lover and that I should be deported to Russia. A third stated that the people need to rise up and execute Trump and all his supporters. Yet folks wonder why I'm so adamant about keeping my guns. These are just three of the dozens and dozens of threats I have received over the past few years from loving, tolerant leftists. Oh, and believe me, the call for a 2nd Civil War is coming from both sides, which concerns me deeply. Though I won't condone anyone from the right calling for one, I can recall at least 6 leftist posts this week alone screaming for a Civil War.

David
Tittums Offline
#69 Posted:
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
I guess you don't spend a whole lot of time on other media platforms. Last night after Trump's acquittal, I was told by one person that I needed to be sent to a reeducation camp. Another one called me a Putin lover and that I should be deported to Russia. A third stated that the people need to rise up and execute Trump and all his supporters. Yet folks wonder why I'm so adamant about keeping my guns. These are just three of the dozens and dozens of threats I have received over the past few years from loving, tolerant leftists. Oh, and believe me, the call for a 2nd Civil War is coming from both sides, which concerns me deeply. Though I won't condone anyone from the right calling for one, I can recall at least 6 leftist posts this week alone screaming for a Civil War.

David


Don't forget the violence in the streets if Bernie doesn't win and gets to put us in said reeducation centers under the name of "free college". It's going to be mandatory college.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHMN5TONv0
Krazeehorse Offline
#70 Posted:
Joined: 04-09-2010
Posts: 1,958
Maybe I read it here, not sure. You can vote yourself into communism but you have to shoot your way out.
dstieger Offline
#71 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
JadeRose wrote:
I despise Trump but he is not the disease as most think. He's just another symptom. He is but a festering pustule on the 'taint of the disease ridden body. Our whole system is broken beyond repair. The real powers that be LOVE to see the divisiveness that has permeated this country. While we fight about Trump and Pelosi, they steal more wealth, more power and more of our freedoms. Americans have grown, fat, lazy, and stupid. We bicker and fight on the internet and it FEELS like we are doing something about "our side" when, in fact, we are doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing. Being distracted. None of this matters anymore. Whether Trump is POTUS or Hilldog, Bush, Bernie, or Obama. Different puppets...same strings. Our current system is f*cked beyond repair, in my opinion, and it all needs to burn and have a new one built upon it's ashes.



I was with you...except the fourth and last sentences. As cynical as I am, I still believe we're nowhere near as bad as that. I have some confidence that the current parties/system will swing back into something a bit more workable.

I do agree that some very powerful 'entities' absolutely love the divisiveness....not just enjoy it, but work hard to perpetuate and incite it. Just a couple nights ago....I wasn't outraged or even mad that Limbaugh was honored...but I was a bit sad and disappointed -- I think he truly was a founding father of the 'movement' to demonize anyone who opposes you....there's lots of others....but he was good not just at communicating it...but of igniting it in others.

I fully understand that it works....especially when it comes to two and four year elections with just two parties. But, think that it has to swing away from the current conditions of broad scale manipulative divisiveness. It works to harden up a segment of a base, but I don't think its sustainable if you're ever going to want/need more coalition than a fixed 40% will get you.

victor809 Offline
#72 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
I guess you don't spend a whole lot of time on other media platforms. Last night after Trump's acquittal, I was told by one person that I needed to be sent to a reeducation camp. Another one called me a Putin lover and that I should be deported to Russia. A third stated that the people need to rise up and execute Trump and all his supporters. Yet folks wonder why I'm so adamant about keeping my guns. These are just three of the dozens and dozens of threats I have received over the past few years from loving, tolerant leftists. Oh, and believe me, the call for a 2nd Civil War is coming from both sides, which concerns me deeply. Though I won't condone anyone from the right calling for one, I can recall at least 6 leftist posts this week alone screaming for a Civil War.

David


I would have to ask what forums you're on that allow that sort of behavior. I have personally never seen this
jjanecka Offline
#73 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
Vic, it was probably just Facebook. That seems to be the norm.
victor809 Offline
#74 Posted:
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Posts: 23,866
jjanecka wrote:
Vic, it was probably just Facebook. That seems to be the norm.


So it's his own friends who are sending him death threats?

That seems...

.... logical I suppose.
frankj1 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Posts: 44,221
dstieger wrote:
I was with you...except the fourth and last sentences. As cynical as I am, I still believe we're nowhere near as bad as that. I have some confidence that the current parties/system will swing back into something a bit more workable.

I do agree that some very powerful 'entities' absolutely love the divisiveness....not just enjoy it, but work hard to perpetuate and incite it. Just a couple nights ago....I wasn't outraged or even mad that Limbaugh was honored...but I was a bit sad and disappointed -- I think he truly was a founding father of the 'movement' to demonize anyone who opposes you....there's lots of others....but he was good not just at communicating it...but of igniting it in others.

I fully understand that it works....especially when it comes to two and four year elections with just two parties. But, think that it has to swing away from the current conditions of broad scale manipulative divisiveness. It works to harden up a segment of a base, but I don't think its sustainable if you're ever going to want/need more coalition than a fixed 40% will get you.


pretty good, per usual
fishinguitarman Offline
#76 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2006
Posts: 69,148
I’m gonna take a hot bath. Brewha care to join me?💅
delta1 Offline
#77 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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I don't think we are broken beyond repair...Trump is an outliar...and once he's gone, the GOP and cons will take a minute to revert to their previous doctrine...without Trump as party leader, who will keep his objectives moving? most of the Trump wannabes for governors' offices were defeated...


if Trump is not re-elected and the Dems get a majority in both the House and the Senate, a distinct possiblity (remote), the GOP may even exhume their Republican Autopsy of 2012...and will seek a more moderate tone in effort to expand their base...
jjanecka Offline
#78 Posted:
Joined: 12-08-2015
Posts: 4,334
All we need is 51% not the whole pie.
delta1 Offline
#79 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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seems like a stretch, but both parties are seeing a diminishing number of registered voters...recent data shows they're equal at 27%...number of independents up near an all-time high of 45%...so peeps are not happy with either party

lends credence to the doomsayers about party politics...but I think the Constitution was written with a two party system in mind, so it would take another revolution to re-write it...


https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
victor809 Offline
#80 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
delta1 wrote:
I don't think we are broken beyond repair...Trump is an outliar...and once he's gone, the GOP and cons will take a minute to revert to their previous doctrine...without Trump as party leader, who will keep his objectives moving? most of the Trump wannabes for governors' offices were defeated...


if Trump is not re-elected and the Dems get a majority in both the House and the Senate, a distinct possiblity (remote), the GOP may even exhume their Republican Autopsy of 2012...and will seek a more moderate tone in effort to expand their base...


It's adorable how optimistic you are...

More likely, twitler will get re-elected. He doesn't need a majority, just a strong 40-something percent in the right states. Those people already exist and showed up for him 4 years ago. They have not changed their minds (Really, when you choose to vote for him to be president, you prove that logic is not going to sway you from any of your decisions).

This pattern will continue with the Senate.

The house will continue to go Dem. But that will be irrelevant as everything will get stuck in the Senate.
fishinguitarman Offline
#81 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2006
Posts: 69,148
Hitler that posts on Twitter?

Once again you show how anti American you are. It’s pitiful and sad and disgusting all at the same time
delta1 Offline
#82 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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Abrignac wrote:
The one that cautions against using impeachment for partisan reasons.


it was the Federalist Paper 65... here's a paragraph which argues for the need on the impeachement power to restrain the executive and an argument to use the example of impeachment that exists in Great Britain...highlighted sentence says that impeachment is a means check the executive...

"What, it may be asked, is the true spirit of the institution itself? Is it not designed as a method of NATIONAL INQUEST into the conduct of public men? If this be the design of it, who can so properly be the inquisitors for the nation as the representatives of the nation themselves? It is not disputed that the power of originating the inquiry, or, in other words, of preferring the impeachment, ought to be lodged in the hands of one branch of the legislative body. Will not the reasons which indicate the propriety of this arrangement strongly plead for an admission of the other branch of that body to a share of the inquiry? The model from which the idea of this institution has been borrowed, pointed out that course to the convention. In Great Britain it is the province of the House of Commons to prefer the impeachment, and of the House of Lords to decide upon it. Several of the State constitutions have followed the example. As well the latter, as the former, seem to have regarded the practice of impeachments as a bridle in the hands of the legislative body upon the executive servants of the government. Is not this the true light in which it ought to be regarded?"

his statements in that essay are about how impeachments would work is a prediction, moreso than an argument against impeachment...
Brewha Offline
#83 Posted:
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fishinguitarman wrote:
I’m gonna take a hot bath. Brewha care to join me?💅

WTF?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
it was the Federalist Paper 65... here's a paragraph which argues for the need on the impeachement power to restrain the executive and an argument to use the example of impeachment that exists in Great Britain...highlighted sentence says that impeachment is a means check the executive...

"What, it may be asked, is the true spirit of the institution itself? Is it not designed as a method of NATIONAL INQUEST into the conduct of public men? If this be the design of it, who can so properly be the inquisitors for the nation as the representatives of the nation themselves? It is not disputed that the power of originating the inquiry, or, in other words, of preferring the impeachment, ought to be lodged in the hands of one branch of the legislative body. Will not the reasons which indicate the propriety of this arrangement strongly plead for an admission of the other branch of that body to a share of the inquiry? The model from which the idea of this institution has been borrowed, pointed out that course to the convention. In Great Britain it is the province of the House of Commons to prefer the impeachment, and of the House of Lords to decide upon it. Several of the State constitutions have followed the example. As well the latter, as the former, seem to have regarded the practice of impeachments as a bridle in the hands of the legislative body upon the executive servants of the government. Is not this the true light in which it ought to be regarded?"

his statements in that essay are about how impeachments would work is a prediction, moreso than an argument against impeachment...


65 details the body that will hear the case in an impartial manner. It wasn't entered for the need of impeachment. They feared our government would be out of control and that is why it's typed the way it is with the government actually being a negative on almost everything except for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. He used the House of Commons as an example. It was and still is a corrupt "House of Cards". 66 goes a little bit deeper. You can't just type in a google search and cram what you want into the Federalist Papers. These were the documents that the Founders used to illustrate what the Constitution would behave like so the citizens could petition for any necessary changes.
delta1 Offline
#85 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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exactly...we agree that the Framers intent/purpose when constructing the constitution as a framework for the new republic was to limit government...

this essay discusses why the legislative branch should be entrusted with the power of impeachment over the executive branch...

it does not say that impeachment shouldn't be used in specific cases...just that it's use would be political...
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