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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted:
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DHS has now banned New York state residents from taking part in (including renewing) the Trusted Traveler Programs.

This is apparently because NY allows illegal immigrants to apply for NY driver's licenses, and blocks agencies from being able to look into their database to find undocumented immigrants.

This was announced on the Tucker Carlson show.

Think about the layers of this...

1 - This really implies that the "Trusted Traveler" programs really don't do anything other than verify your identity with the DMV. That should be a real red flag right there.

2 - Policy is now being announced on fox shows.
Tittums Offline
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They do background checks as well. I was considering getting it but I only travel once per year and I value my money more than the annoyance of standing in a longer TSA line.
victor809 Offline
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I mean, we've all assumed they do a "Background Check" (this is not a specific thing, and may involve a variety of actions).
But what their response to NY indicates to me is that their "Background Check" is not in-depth enough that removing access to the DMV records significantly hobbles their system.

ie... mostly they just checked with the DMV to see if anything was on there of interest and collected a check from the government.
delta1 Offline
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another example of the anti-immigrant policy goals of the Trump administration...in line with his negative stance towards states that have "sanctuary" laws in place...he will punish those states, even though their economic history shows immigrants, including illegal ones, have been beneficial...he's convinced most cons that immigrants are less than human and are a threat to America, and by banning them, America will be great again...


what happened to state's rights, small government, keep the feds out of state's business cons?
Tittums Offline
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delta1 wrote:
another example of the anti-immigrant policy goals of the Trump administration...in line with his negative stance towards states that have "sanctuary" laws in place...he will punish those states, even though their economic history shows immigrants, including illegal ones, have been beneficial...he's convinced most cons that immigrants are less than human and are a threat to America, and by banning them, America will be great again...


what happened to state's rights, small government, keep the feds out of state's business cons?


Please do tell when he has referred to immigrants as a whole as less than human and has called them all a threat to America. He has never done this, but you go ahead and continue to conflate his stance on illegal immigration as a stance on all immigration. Just makes people like me make you think you are a liberal parroting liberal talking points. Not that my opinion is of any matter.
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If you aren't a legal citizen or have the appropriate legal statuse to be here then you should not be getting any type of government identification.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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delta1 wrote:
another example of the anti-immigrant policy goals of the Trump administration...in line with his negative stance towards states that have "sanctuary" laws in place...he will punish those states, even though their economic history shows immigrants, including illegal ones, have been beneficial...he's convinced most cons that immigrants are less than human and are a threat to America, and by banning them, America will be great again...


what happened to state's rights, small government, keep the feds out of state's business cons?


So you're for breaking laws and zero enforcement of them?

We have a legal path to citizenship. Millions have used it over generations. To allow those that cannot even take the time to become a citizen front of the line status and enjoy what it brings and it's entitlements...NO.

Talk to those that have gone through the proper steps to become a citizen. Afterwards then you'll see how out of step and unrealistic you sound on this issue.

As for the DHS...pull the plug. It hasn't caught any "terrorists" except those guarding the turnstiles going through your luggage.
Tittums Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
If you aren't a legal citizen or have the appropriate legal statuse to be here then you should not be getting any type of government identification.


Careful, talk like that will get you called a nazi in these here parts.
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jjanecka wrote:
If you aren't a legal citizen or have the appropriate legal statuse to be here then you should not be getting any type of government identification.


Um.... these are state drivers licenses. Shouldn't the state be allowed to make that decision?

But this is sort of tangential to the point.
jjanecka Offline
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Should the States be allowed to decide who's legal and who's not? Is that really their authority?
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jjanecka wrote:
Should the States be allowed to decide who's legal and who's not? Is that really their authority?


That's not really in any way related to a driver's license.
delta1 Offline
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sh*thole countries...invasion...rapists and murderers...

I won't do all the work for you, but I urge you to Google "Trump immigration policies"...a benign and neutral search...

his objective is to reduce the number of LEGAL and illegal immigration...American minorities feel less positive about this because of the imprecision of enforcement efforts...
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delta1 wrote:
sh*thole countries...invasion...rapists and murderers...

I won't do all the work for you, but I urge you to Google "Trump immigration policies"...a benign and neutral search...

his objective is to reduce the number of LEGAL and illegal immigration...American minorities feel less positive about this because of the imprecision of enforcement efforts...


If these countries are not **** enough to deserve the title "****hole" then why are people risking the death of themselves and any children they bring along crossing deserts with little or no water to get to the US illegally?

If 10,000+ people charging a border is not an invasion then we have a very different definition of invasion.

Are you saying MS-13 are not rapists and murders? (this is whom Trump is always referring to when he makes this comment).

Let's just let MS-13 in without any immigration policy. Santa Muerte, Santa Muerte, send your MS-13 onto me for the sins of the liberals must be baptized in blood and fear.
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It's all a plot by the dems to give illegals the right to vote... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
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delta1 wrote:
sh*thole countries...invasion...rapists and murderers...

I won't do all the work for you, but I urge you to Google "Trump immigration policies"...a benign and neutral search...

his objective is to reduce the number of LEGAL and illegal immigration...American minorities feel less positive about this because of the imprecision of enforcement efforts...


I typed in exactly what you wanted. In order...1,2 and 3

https://cmsny.org/trumps-executive-orders-immigration-refugees/ Some wacko website that generated foot traffic.

https://cmsny.org/about/ CMS works with policy-makers on international, regional, national and local levels; scholars and researchers; faith-based groups; non-governmental and community-based organizations; and other civil society groups. It enjoys consultative status at the United Nations, and regularly participates and intervenes in UN processes. Talk about sovereignty?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/ White House policy. Nothing more to say except read it.

https://www.thebalance.com/donald-trump-immigration-impact-on-economy-4151107

Trump faces an uphill battle. Up to 1% of the total population of Guatemala and Honduras may be apprehended along the border this year. These numbers will only increase as global warming worsens conditions in Latin America....HOW DARE YOU!

https://www.thebalance.com/about-us They really have no immigration policy "experts" there. The site is like a splintered Yahoo! search engine with guided categories.

I can keep on going but based on what YOU wanted, it doesn't really detail what you're looking for in a professional or knowledgeable manner. If you want to take US immigration policy lessons from the web then at least know what pond you're jumping into. The UN is a muckhole where the US is the whipping post.

All I'm concerned with on the matter is what we've been told for DECADES. How many hundred of millions of dollars were set aside for a border wall, border security and strengthening our porous borders. How many administrations? Now, we actually have someone that's holding it all accountable and he's the bad guy? No, no, no, no, no!
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
It's all a plot by the dems to give illegals the right to vote... Mellow


That's not a smart conclusion to come to, Drafter. #BeBetter
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Well, that's what I heard... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, that's what I heard... Mellow


Well maybe you shouldn't believe everything you hear? #bebest
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Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you think... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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granted our immigration policies are a mess and need major re-writes...

executive fiats to reverse previous decisions and flout our heritage of a powerful nation built by immigrants is not the way accomplish this...it does serve Trump's purposes though...which is to demonize people from other countries and close the doors to only a select few, which appeals to the xenophobes and far right nationalists among us...the Statue of Liberty be damned...

Americans, as a whole, are much more positive about immigration: these American values are at odds with what the Trump administration is doing...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx


sample question from the poll: On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

76% say it is a good thing
Tittums Offline
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delta1 wrote:
granted our immigration policies are a mess and need major re-writes...

executive fiats to reverse previous decisions and flout our heritage of a powerful nation built by immigrants is not the way accomplish this...it does serve Trump's purposes though...which is to demonize people from other countries and close the doors to only a select few, which appeals to the xenophobes and far right nationalists among us...the Statue of Liberty be damned...

Americans, as a whole, are much more positive about immigration: these American values are at odds with what the Trump administration is doing...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx


Forgive me if I am incorrect but every time it comes down to redoing our immigration policies it is either met with accusations of racist policies replacing current policies or no lawmakers wanting to touch it at all.

It would be nice if we could have some kind of reform but it always seems to come down to the executive branch doing something. Be it Trump and however you feel about his policies, Obama giving Amnesty to millions because of feelings, or Reagan getting screwed in the a$$ after giving amnesty after being promised there would be reforms. If we really want to talk about abuse of power all three of these are examples of abuse of power and I question if there has been a president that didn't abuse their power.

I am very positive about legal immigration. Today you have shown a trend of conflating stances on illegal immigration applying to legal immigration so I can understand if you accuse me (and Trump, and his supporters) of being racist.

But you go ahead and keep conflating. We know your game now. Just another parrot of CNN and MSNBC liberal talking points.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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NOBODY IS FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION EXCEPT CRIMINALS!!!!

Of course we're only talking about legal immigration.

I also don't trust polls! They can, have and will be manipulated for a desired outcome. That is why the questions are worded the manner that they are.
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Tittums wrote:
Forgive me if I am incorrect but every time it comes down to redoing our immigration policies it is either met with accusations of racist policies replacing current policies or no lawmakers wanting to touch it at all.
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I am very positive about legal immigration. Today you have shown a trend of conflating stances on illegal immigration applying to legal immigration so I can understand if you accuse me (and Trump, and his supporters) of being racist.

But you go ahead and keep conflating. We know your game now. Just another parrot of CNN and MSNBC liberal talking points.



I'm not injecting racism, just pointing it out when our leaders manipulate it...
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you think... Mellow

Maybe you should start believing everything I think... #bebest
MACS Offline
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delta1 wrote:
I'm not injecting racism, just pointing it out when our leaders manipulate it...


More than one race immigrates illegally. Not racism, but slapping a state down that does whatever the fk they want at the detriment to the country. They need to withhold any federal aid from CA until they quit with the sanctuary BS and start cooperating with ice to get these border jumping d-bags the hell out.
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but when it is in the best interests of big agriculture to have a steady and dependable supply of very cheap labor, cons were OK with illegal immigrants...


did you know that more than half of the "illegal immigrants" in this country were first approved/ allowed into this country, but have over-stayed their visas?
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victor809 wrote:
Maybe you should start believing everything I think... #bebest



Are you thinking about beers..?? Huh
MACS Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Are you thinking about beers..?? Huh


I am... close enough!! Git'r'done!
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Are you thinking about beers..?? Huh

Well (looks at calendar)... it is a day ending in 'y'
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delta1 wrote:
but when it is in the best interests of big agriculture to have a steady and dependable supply of very cheap labor, cons were OK with illegal immigrants...

more than OK, they recruited and hired them, including Trump's companies.
I'm not condemning them for that, but for making it sound like Liberal give-aways have been the lure.

Nope, they came for the jobs, like anyone would. But salaries were easier to keep low if illegals were hired.

And neither side is invested in creating a new sensible policy.
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We need to let some in... How am I supposed to get authentic burrito? Taco Bell? I'm a fan of fruits and vegetables too, they won't pick themselves. Or WILL they? This is where we need our tax dollars going. GMO's that jump into the basket on command and sharks with freakin lazer beams on the border! You make that swim and get in, it's automatic citizenship. Let's see Bernie get behind that!
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MACS wrote:
More than one race immigrates illegally. Not racism, but slapping a state down that does whatever the fk they want at the detriment to the country. They need to withhold any federal aid from CA until they quit with the sanctuary BS and start cooperating with ice to get these border jumping d-bags the hell out.


Oh, I stopped getting mad at California getting federal aid. Give them all the aid they need my tax dollars are worth the fapping entertainment I get when they burn every year. I use to say I never paid for porn but if I jerk it to California mansions burning and my tax dollars aid California I think I am technically paying for porn.

Don't get mad, grab your meat and get glad.
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victor809 wrote:
DHS has now banned New York state residents from taking part in (including renewing) the Trusted Traveler Programs.

This is apparently because NY allows illegal immigrants to apply for NY driver's licenses, and blocks agencies from being able to look into their database to find undocumented immigrants.

This was announced on the Tucker Carlson show.

Think about the layers of this...

1 - This really implies that the "Trusted Traveler" programs really don't do anything other than verify your identity with the DMV. That should be a real red flag right there.

2 - Policy is now being announced on fox shows.



This is part of the somewhat new "REAL ID" program.Most states are in compliance apparently New York isn't.It's called consequences for your actions.
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Tittums wrote:
Oh, I stopped getting mad at California getting federal aid. Give them all the aid they need my tax dollars are worth the fapping entertainment I get when they burn every year. I use to say I never paid for porn but if I jerk it to California mansions burning and my tax dollars aid California I think I am technically paying for porn.

Don't get mad, grab your meat and get glad.

um, I've only got two hands
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Tripod needs a glad bag for protection
Tittums Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
um, I've only got two hands


There are no rules man, work with what you got.
victor809 Offline
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Tittums wrote:
Oh, I stopped getting mad at California getting federal aid. Give them all the aid they need my tax dollars are worth the fapping entertainment I get when they burn every year. I use to say I never paid for porn but if I jerk it to California mansions burning and my tax dollars aid California I think I am technically paying for porn.

Don't get mad, grab your meat and get glad.


man....

first you're saying you'd be willing to turn a blind eye to "death camps" for dems and now you're talking about masturbating because people in california lose everything they own.

You really will fit in here with most of the other trump supporters.
teedubbya Offline
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I like titmouse. He tries really hard.
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delta1 wrote:
but when it is in the best interests of big agriculture to have a steady and dependable supply of very cheap labor, cons were OK with illegal immigrants...


did you know that more than half of the "illegal immigrants" in this country were first approved/ allowed into this country, but have over-stayed their visas?



https://cnsnews.com/article/national/rob-shimshock/report-taxpayers-forking-over-6500-illegal-alien

Ooops.
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://cnsnews.com/article/national/rob-shimshock/report-taxpayers-forking-over-6500-illegal-alien

Ooops.

makes me want to tax the corporations that knowingly entice them here and employ them!
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frankj1 wrote:
makes me want to tax the corporations that knowingly entice them here and employ them!



Ditto ………..This IMO is the beginning of the end and the return of living wages.Americans will do this menial labor if paid appropriate wages.It's time to hold these demons accountable......let's start at $25K per illegal employee and double it every subsequent offense.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Ditto ………..This IMO is the beginning of the end and the return of living wages.Americans will do this menial labor if paid appropriate wages.It's time to hold these demons accountable......let's start at $25K per illegal employee and double it every subsequent offense.

you're a beautiful man...but somehow I don't think this was DMV's reason for that link!
It just seemed so obvious after reading it though.
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted:
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A. people here illegally should be forced to leave.
B. Laws should be enforced.
3. a drivers license is a legal form of ID for most situations. To suggest that people in the country by illegal methods should be allowed to have one is ridiculous.
D. People here illegally should be forced to leave.

It's not rocket surgery folks.

Laws.
Responsibility.

Shirking either takes a loser mentality.






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#44 Posted:
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As an Oregon resident, my current driver’s license will no longer be accepted as ID on flights. This is thanks to liberal dipsheet policies for north of the Roseburg line.......

Let me gather my #OUTRAGE! for you Victor. Gimme a min.
frankj1 Offline
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edit: for #43


how about recruiting and hiring them?
why come here without incentives?
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
As an Oregon resident, my current driver’s license will no longer be accepted as ID on flights. This is thanks to liberal dipsheet policies for north of the Roseburg line.......

Let me gather my #OUTRAGE! for you Victor. Gimme a min.

not sure what they're called, but our new MA drivers licenses are wicked smaht, might even be smaht enough to get us into places like Canada and stuff.
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frankj1 wrote:
makes me want to tax the corporations that knowingly entice them here and employ them!


Tax?

Fine them into oblivion. Do not pass go. Go to jail.

But hey maybe some people.have the extra 6500.00...I think that its grossly under counted.

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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Tax?

Fine them into oblivion. Do not pass go. Go to jail.

But hey maybe some people.have the extra 6500.00...I think that its grossly under counted.


guess I read you wrong on that one!
The late, great radio talk show host Jerry Williams used to say fees, fines, and taxes are all taxes.

we're looking at a catch 22 here. These Captains of Industry who run these mega corps that are basically importing illegals to come here to work on the cheap also have tentacles that reach and even currently reside in the White H.U.T.
Which one of them will step up to lead the campaign to fine themselves?

DrMaddVibe Offline
#49 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
guess I read you wrong on that one!
The late, great radio talk show host Jerry Williams used to say fees, fines, and taxes are all taxes.

we're looking at a catch 22 here. These Captains of Industry who run these mega corps that are basically importing illegals to come here to work on the cheap also have tentacles that reach and even currently reside in the White H.U.T.
Which one of them will step up to lead the campaign to fine themselves?



I posted the link because I'm sick and tired of hearing that it doesn't cost anything and we're a great nation anyways that can afford it. EVERYTHING HAS A COST. There's no "free lunch". Someone is ALWAYS paying for it.

If you have proof that a corporation is doing this...turn them in to ICE!

https://www.ice.gov/worksite
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delta1 wrote:
granted our immigration policies are a mess and need major re-writes...

executive fiats to reverse previous decisions and flout our heritage of a powerful nation built by immigrants is not the way accomplish this...it does serve Trump's purposes though...which is to demonize people from other countries and close the doors to only a select few, which appeals to the xenophobes and far right nationalists among us...the Statue of Liberty be damned...

Americans, as a whole, are much more positive about immigration: these American values are at odds with what the Trump administration is doing...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx


sample question from the poll: On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

76% say it is a good thing


https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

The only poll that matter is taken on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November in even numbered years.
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