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Barr Finds His Balls... err... Voice
delta1 Offline
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Barr says Trump's tweets make it impossible to do his job, when discussing the Stone controversy...he also said he will NOT BE BULLIED by POTUS!!!
Brewha Offline
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so...Barr is NOT getting his milk money back?
frankj1 Offline
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new thread, still funny as hell.
teedubbya Offline
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The ol switcharoo. What a bunch of BS.
Mr. Jones Offline
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I think BARR was fed up with being Trump's lackey...

So Trump offered up "Roger stone" as the sacrificial lamb
Because nobody really cares anything at all about what happens to STONE ....ONE EYE-OAT-TAAAHHH

ITS A WIN WIN FOR TRUMP AND BARR...
A LOSE LOSE FOR ROGER...
dkeage Offline
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Damn. I thought this was a thread about Roseanne...
fishinguitarman Offline
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No it’s a mooch thread. No wonder you showed up!
delta1 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
new thread, still funny as hell.



Frank, when the US AG says something that could be construed as critical of his boss and client, it is big news and deserving of a stand-alone thread...

the initial theme of stories about Stone's sentence was that Barr heard Trump's reaction to the prosecutor's sentencing recommendation and told Barr to fix it...

Barr HAS to take this sort of stand, or else admit that the DOJ is a tool for personal use by POTUS...his legacy would be that he was a legal lackey/hitman for Trump...at least that's what was being whispered around the capitol
frankj1 Offline
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he is.
that's why I thought it was a joke.
tamapatom Offline
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Barr calls it like he sees it....he doesn't need this job.
victor809 Offline
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Amazingly Barr is now being called part of the "dEeP StaTe"
delta1 Offline
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It's dawning on me that we're being played...Trump still has Barr's balls...Barr signed off on the sentencing memo that wanted a reduced sentence for Stone...causing the four prosecutors to say "I'm out"... end result...supervising prosecutor who was being considered for a higher level appointment, withdrew her nomination and resigned...

Barr's interview where he said he's not gonna be bullied and the POTUS should stop tweeting about an on-going case was total BS.... just giving cover to himself for already having done Trump's bidding...history will show Trump's crony getting a lesser sentence after he told his DOJ to do it, and Barr will be known as Trump's personal attorney/chief henchman while occupying the people's seat at the Attorney General's Office...

up is down and down is up...

we can't believe what our ears are hearing and our lying eyes are telling us...

just believe what they tell you, if you support them...

don't believe anything they say if you want the truth...

think I read something like this in high school ... a book of preposterous fiction about a political system gone haywire
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fishinguitarman wrote:
No it’s a mooch thread. No wonder you showed up!



Mooch thread? I'm in. I am soooo low! Not as low as Trump has set Barr but, low!
delta1 Offline
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HA...a low Barr!!!


good one CB...need your addy...
delta1 Offline
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investigation of McCabe concludes with no findings of criminal conduct or wrongdoing................who will be investigated next?

thinking Brennan, Comey, Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler all have targets on their backs...


......and whoever will be the top two-three front-runners among Dem POTUS candidates....
CelticBomber Offline
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delta1 wrote:
HA...a low Barr!!!


good one CB...need your addy...


How about my phone number first. We can start slow and just do phone sex at first! Then you buy me a few drinks, maybe flowers, then we move to addresses!
delta1 Offline
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dammmmm....that's soooooooooooo ooold schoooool......
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delta1 wrote:
It's dawning on me that we're being played...Trump still has Barr's balls...Barr signed off on the sentencing memo that wanted a reduced sentence for Stone...causing the four prosecutors to say "I'm out"... end result...supervising prosecutor who was being considered for a higher level appointment, withdrew her nomination and resigned...

Barr's interview where he said he's not gonna be bullied and the POTUS should stop tweeting about an on-going case was total BS.... just giving cover to himself for already having done Trump's bidding...history will show Trump's crony getting a lesser sentence after he told his DOJ to do it, and Barr will be known as Trump's personal attorney/chief henchman while occupying the people's seat at the Attorney General's Office...

up is down and down is up...

we can't believe what our ears are hearing and our lying eyes are telling us...

just believe what they tell you, if you support them...

don't believe anything they say if you want the truth...

think I read something like this in high school ... a book of preposterous fiction about a political system gone haywire

this is why I replied to your #8 post...
delta wrote:
Barr HAS to take this sort of stand, or else admit that the DOJ is a tool for personal use by POTUS...his legacy would be that he was a legal lackey/hitman for Trump...at least that's what was being whispered around the capitol

with this...
he is.
that's why I thought it was a joke.


I fully expected Barr to crack a smile like when you play that staring contest...

Trump didn't say what to do until after he told Barr and Barr did it. Then he gets to look like he isn't Trump's Temporary Rudy...
DrafterX Offline
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So, Barr was acting stupidly..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
So, Barr was acting stupidly..?? Huh

just following orders...
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frankj1 wrote:
just following orders...

I wouldn’t be worried.
He doesn’t seem like the type with a conscience
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Barr is backpedaling furiously. Maybe he figured out his actions could be impeachable too. Why did he tarnish a stellar legacy for this sh1t? You work for Trump and you eventually get thrown under the bus.
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Speyside wrote:
Barr is backpedaling furiously. Maybe he figured out his actions could be impeachable too. Why did he tarnish a stellar legacy for this sh1t? You work for Trump and you eventually get thrown under the bus.



You don't get thrown under the bus. Trump drives the bus over you then reverses. Repeats until he stops giggling.
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
It's dawning on me that we're being played...Trump still has Barr's balls...Barr signed off on the sentencing memo that wanted a reduced sentence for Stone...causing the four prosecutors to say "I'm out"... end result...supervising prosecutor who was being considered for a higher level appointment, withdrew her nomination and resigned...

Barr's interview where he said he's not gonna be bullied and the POTUS should stop tweeting about an on-going case was total BS.... just giving cover to himself for already having done Trump's bidding...history will show Trump's crony getting a lesser sentence after he told his DOJ to do it, and Barr will be known as Trump's personal attorney/chief henchman while occupying the people's seat at the Attorney General's Office...

up is down and down is up...

we can't believe what our ears are hearing and our lying eyes are telling us...

just believe what they tell you, if you support them...

don't believe anything they say if you want the truth...

think I read something like this in high school ... a book of preposterous fiction about a political system gone haywire


Unless I’m mistaken these prosecutors work under the supervision of the President. Are they immune to supervision? Should they be? Nine years for lying to Congress, yet no indictment for McCabe who the DOJ Inspector General said lied to Congress 3 or 4 times? Hell Mike Flynn was found guilty for saying what the DOJ lawyers told him to tell Congress.
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Abrignac wrote:
Unless I’m mistaken these prosecutors work under the supervision of the President. Are they immune to supervision?

the real question is should the President be commenting/intimidating/swaying/directing jurists in cases before the courts?
Should anyone?
of course not...whether R or D

just cuz one side has the power now, be careful what you wish for...
Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
the real question is should the President be commenting/intimidating/swaying/directing jurists in cases before the courts?
Should anyone?
of course not...whether R or D

just cuz one side has the power now, be careful what you wish for...



I agree with your post 1000%. He should have made a call to the AG and been done with it.
DrafterX Offline
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Trump has the power to pardon him... to completely exonerate him... why the fuss over just suggesting he recieved a stiffer sentence than he deserved... which he did... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
I agree with your post 1000%. He should have made a call to the AG and been done with it.

yah, well, he shouldn't even have been directing the AG to meddle with the judge's decision...especially in a case that involved a defendant accused of anything related to the President.

This just seems clear if we can put aside party affiliations.
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frankj1 wrote:
yah, well, he shouldn't even have been directing the AG to meddle with the judge's decision...especially in a case that involved a defendant accused of anything related to the President.

This just seems clear if we can put aside party affiliations.


I’m ok with it in this circumstance. The prosecution’s sentencing was clearly formed from political bias.
Abrignac Offline
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Right is right and wrong is wrong. It should have been an in person one on one discussion.
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DrafterX wrote:
Trump has the power to pardon him... to completely exonerate him... why the fuss over just suggesting he recieved a stiffer sentence than he deserved... which he did... Mellow

YO! we crossed in the mail.

I'll tell ya why...the system that separates us from the trash of the world finds him guilty in a severe way. That gets recorded. Messing with the judgement handed down would make whatever the crime was look like no big deal, which is not at all what the jury decided, and very quickly I might add.

Then the POTUS can decide to pardon him...he's allowed.

But the severity of the guilty finding should be permanently noted and the POTUS then does what he does for a guilty friend, later to be judged by history.
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Abrignac wrote:
I’m ok with it in this circumstance. The prosecution’s sentencing was clearly formed from political bias.

I find that a bizarre comment.
Who does the prosecution work for?
You established that earlier tonight.

Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
YO! we crossed in the mail.

I'll tell ya why...the system that separates us from the trash of the world finds him guilty in a severe way. That gets recorded. Messing with the judgement handed down would make whatever the crime was look like no big deal, which is not at all what the jury decided, and very quickly I might add.

Then the POTUS can decide to pardon him...he's allowed.

But the severity of the guilty finding should be permanently noted and the POTUS then does what he does for a guilty friend, later to be judged by history.


It’s against the law to lie to Congress. He lied he should have been convicted. The only question is whether or not the punishment fit the crime. I think 9 years is excessive.
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Abrignac wrote:
It’s against the law to lie to Congress. He lied he should have been convicted. The only question is whether or not the punishment fit the crime. I think 9 years is excessive.

might have been more...
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You're assuming Trump 's tweeter thing actually affected Barr's decision.. he says no... why doubt him..?? Because it's easier to believe he's lying..?? Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
You're assuming Trump 's tweeter thing actually affected Barr's decision.. he says no... why doubt him..?? Because it's easier to believe he's lying..?? Mellow

dude, Trump's fix was in before the twit twittered
the ink hadn't dried on Barr's signature yet.
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How do we know that..?? Mellow
Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I find that a bizarre comment.
Who does the prosecution work for?
You established that earlier tonight.



Not sure where you’re going with this, but prosecution is in the executive domain. The President is the head of the executive branch. As such the buck stops with him. One could make the argument that that decision should have been made by the AG, not the President as in a normal corporation department heads make day to day decisions while the CEO sets policy.

It’s up to the judicial branch to confirm or alter that recommendation. If the prosecution is unhappy with that ruling than it can file an appeal.

Where’s the ambiguity?
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frankj1 wrote:
dude, Trump's fix was in before the twit twittered
the ink hadn't dried on Barr's signature yet.


Not saying your wrong, but at best you have a 50:50 shot. Nothing personal, but we all (me, you and the other billions of people breathing air on this planet) need to stop making judgements without considering the totality of the situation and having ample evidence to back up that theory.

Our nation has become so polarized that important issues aren’t acted upon. A glaring example is the fact that Congress has been derelict in their duty to pass a budget bill for each session of Congress for about 20 years.
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Abrignac wrote:
Not sure where you’re going with this, but prosecution is in the executive domain. The President is the head of the executive branch. As such the buck stops with him. One could make the argument that that decision should have been made by the AG, not the President as in a normal corporation department heads make day to day decisions while the CEO sets policy.

It’s up to the judicial branch to confirm or alter that recommendation. If the prosecution is unhappy with that ruling than it can file an appeal.

Where’s the ambiguity?

I was replying to your post:

The prosecution’s sentencing was clearly formed from political bias.

I found it an odd complaint in light of your earlier comment of for whom they work...

It's not a stretch to sense a bias on Trump's part in this particular case in which the defendant was swiftly found guilty of crimes directly related to helping him.

Remove the GOP's and DEM's from what transpired. This is highly improper. I fear it's just a baby step taken by a recently emboldened president.

Again, Be careful what you wish for with this kind of Executive power grab favored by Trump and Barr. One day it could be your worst nightmare.
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Speculation at best... it fit's a certain narrative that Barr was influenced but he denied it... so why doubt him..?? Cause it doesn't fit the narrative... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Barr is a crooked as a rug.






Laying on the floor
At an angle


An ODD angle...
Abrignac Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I was replying to your post:

The prosecution’s sentencing was clearly formed from political bias.

I found it an odd complaint in light of your earlier comment of for whom they work...

It's not a stretch to sense a bias on Trump's part in this particular case in which the defendant was swiftly found guilty of crimes directly related to helping him.

Remove the GOP's and DEM's from what transpired. This is highly improper. I fear it's just a baby step taken by a recently emboldened president.

Again, Be careful what you wish for with this kind of Executive power grab favored by Trump and Barr. One day it could be your worst nightmare.


Gotcha, but didn’t Pete and Lisa work for the same person? I don’t think you’re saying they are all loyal to Trump are you?
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Abrignac wrote:
I’m ok with it in this circumstance. The prosecution’s sentencing was clearly formed from political bias.


they were following federal sentencing guidelines that applied to all common defendants found guilty in the federal criminal justice system: sentencing guidelines the DOJ says have been fair and just....

only difference here is that the defendant is Roger Stone, Trump's long tenured henchman.
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Abrignac wrote:
Gotcha, but didn’t Pete and Lisa work for the same person? I don’t think you’re saying they are all loyal to Trump are you?


they were dealt with, the investigation Trump asked for cited them and several other things to be addressed yet also said the improper activities were not major players in how it all went down. Not sure why a segment of cons continue to cite this and other settled issues...well, maybe I am sure why.


I have an issue with Trump demanding loyalty to himself over the law.
I have an issue with any POTUS demanding loyalty to himself over the law.
I have an issue with the beneficiary of a crime by other(s) prejudicing public opinion on a case that reflects on himself and meddling in the sentencing.
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delta1 wrote:
they were following federal sentencing guidelines that applied to all common defendants found guilty in the federal criminal justice system: sentencing guidelines the DOJ says have been fair and just....

only difference here is that the defendant is Roger Stone, Trump's long tenured henchman.


That’s the top end of the guidelines.
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Abrignac wrote:
That’s the top end of the guidelines.

he defied gag orders and threatened the judge!
delta1 Offline
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"butt Pete and Lisa" is the new con whine, replacing "butt Hillary"


"oh lovely Lisa, how I love that lovely Lisa...." Trump rolls this out at many of his campaign rallies whenever there is a hint of scandal being sniffed out by his DOJ, the Deep State, to bolster his media plan to discredit, in the eyes of his base, any investigation into his shady activities and cronies...all propaganda...


the same people defending Trump now were outraged and accusing Obama of criminal abuse of power when he sought clarification on an IRS rule that gave tax-exempt status to PACs,..
delta1 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
he defied gag orders and threatened the judge!


that is now acceptable if you're a Trump associate...

just wait.........watch what his campaign and supporters will pull when we get closer to the election...it's gonna get ugly...
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Barr was the boss as was the president when the recommendation was made.

To pretend this isn’t odd is not intellectually honest.


But in the end the judge will do their thing and trump will pardon him.
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