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Haitian cigars?
Dg west deptford Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 05-25-2019
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Surely the soil and weather can't be all that much different from its neighbor.
The commie 13 should join forces and buy a plantation. Than take over the world.
Seriously porque no Hatians?
USNGunner Offline
#2 Posted:
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Surely the soil and weather can't be all that much different from its neighbor.
The commie 13 should join forces and buy a plantation. Than take over the world.
Seriously porque no Hatians?



The Papa Doc was a pretty good vitola.
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
the soil blows.
kids eat mud pies.
clintCigar Offline
#4 Posted:
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Are Haitians oppressed?
danmdevries Offline
#5 Posted:
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I've often wondered why we have such highly regarded DR cigars but there's nothing from the west half of the island. Seems like lost potential
danmdevries Offline
#6 Posted:
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clintCigar wrote:
Are Haitians oppressed?


Does the pope chit in the woods?
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted:
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Posts: 60,473
Ask Hilldog’s brother.
Palama Offline
#8 Posted:
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When I saw the title, I immediately thought of this:

https://youtu.be/dKMCz1b2RxE
jjanecka Offline
#9 Posted:
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Government and stability has to improve in Haiti.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted:
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Posts: 55,300
danmdevries wrote:
Does the pope chit in the woods?



Wait which Pope?

Emeritus?

Pontifex Maximus?
rfenst Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,096
jjanecka wrote:
Government and stability has to improve in Haiti.

It will never happen.
And, the Haitian climate and geography are unsuitable.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
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Uhm, Hati is a Sh|thole and is run by idiots.

This picture of the Hatian and Domican Republic border says it all: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161011023457-haiti-dr-environment-exlarge-169.jpg


https://www.dw.com/en/haiti-and-the-dominican-republic-one-island-two-worlds/a-16593022

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/americas/haiti-dominican-republic-visual-explainer/index.html

tamapatom Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-19-2015
Posts: 7,381
What would you be willing to pay for a Haitian cigar?
Mr. Jones Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,357
I heard the rollers down there don't have any toilet paper at work...🤣🤣🤣
USNGunner Offline
#15 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I heard the rollers down there don't have any toilet paper at work...🤣🤣🤣


And where did you think the maduro wrappers came from? Think
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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devout fella that worked for me explained that Haiti was punished for voodoo/devil worship and stuff.
USNGunner Offline
#17 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
devout fella that worked for me explained that Haiti was punished for voodoo/devil worship and stuff.


They do take that stuff seriously. Anxious

(The man furiously preparing for the zombie apocalypse said smugly.) Think
jjanecka Offline
#18 Posted:
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Should probably get an excorcist down there. Voodoo aint nothing to **** with.
clintCigar Offline
#19 Posted:
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Sounds like Hati is shiithole. Not Commie 13 approved.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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jjanecka wrote:
Voodoo aint nothing to **** with.

Neither is the Wu Tang Clan
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Uhm, Hati is a Sh|thole and is run by idiots.

This picture of the Hatian and Domican Republic border says it all: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161011023457-haiti-dr-environment-exlarge-169.jpg


https://www.dw.com/en/haiti-and-the-dominican-republic-one-island-two-worlds/a-16593022

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/americas/haiti-dominican-republic-visual-explainer/index.html




Sources writing and quoted are not unbiased. However, there is a fair amount of data here....not just opinion and abstracts. Tells a much different story than I'd gotten used to hearing. Rather interesting read:

https://inthesetimes.com/features/haiti_earthquake_recovery_us_aid_anniversay_military_waste.html
USNGunner Offline
#22 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Sources writing and quoted are not unbiased. However, there is a fair amount of data here....not just opinion and abstracts. Tells a much different story than I'd gotten used to hearing. Rather interesting read:

https://inthesetimes.com/features/haiti_earthquake_recovery_us_aid_anniversay_military_waste.html


Thanks for that one. Great article I had not seen. The one thing I kept seeing, an obviously recurring theme, was the "Clintons" being neck deep. Hillary pushing aid, to a group that Bill was on the board of. What a coincidence.

And the money went who knows where. What are the odds?

The old saw "Our intentions were good" is wore out and obviously a patent lie.

Insert "greed", and you're back to honest. horse
CelticBomber Offline
#23 Posted:
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If it's from Haiti use a condom...
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Sources writing and quoted are not unbiased. However, there is a fair amount of data here....not just opinion and abstracts. Tells a much different story than I'd gotten used to hearing. Rather interesting read:

https://inthesetimes.com/features/haiti_earthquake_recovery_us_aid_anniversay_military_waste.html


Your article covers the more recent problems, but the two I listed explain the baked in problems and contrast Haiti with the Dominican Republic.
Dg west deptford Offline
#25 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
Uhm, Hati is a Sh|thole and is run by idiots.

This picture of the Hatian and Domican Republic border says it all: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161011023457-haiti-dr-environment-exlarge-169.jpg


https://www.dw.com/en/haiti-and-the-dominican-republic-one-island-two-worlds/a-16593022

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/americas/haiti-dominican-republic-visual-explainer/index.html



Wow that picture of the border from space is too weird!Think
jjanecka Offline
#26 Posted:
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Yup, pretty rough
USNGunner Offline
#27 Posted:
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I feel badly for those folks. They have been screwed over for Eons. Geo-politics in action. ThumbDown
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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the slaves shoulda never fought the only successful revolution against their mostly French masters at the end of the 18th century...didn't know how good they had it until they tried to rule themselves...became outcasts to the rest of the world...especially white nations with slave based economies who didn't want to associate or do business with former slaves...then France imposed reparations for former French slave-owners on the Haitian government that they paid until 1947, and still owed...

economic isolation, little experience with self-government, foreign hand in the till, poor leadership, mostly agrarian economy was not a recipe for success...
Gene363 Offline
#29 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
the slaves shoulda never fought the only successful revolution against their mostly French masters at the end of the 18th century...didn't know how good they had it until they tried to rule themselves...became outcasts to the rest of the world...especially white nations with slave based economies who didn't want to associate or do business with former slaves...then France imposed reparations for former French slave-owners on the Haitian government that they paid until 1947, and still owed...

economic isolation, little experience with self-government, foreign hand in the till, poor leadership, mostly agrarian economy was not a recipe for success...


And the slaves had little in common other than being slaves, i.e., they came from various parts of Africa.
GKB Offline
#30 Posted:
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It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.
“Prejudices are what fools use for reason.” - Voltaire



Anpeche m' manje, M' anpeche w kaka
Tout bèt jennen, mòde.-
Haitian

Abrignac Offline
#31 Posted:
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Been to that chithole many times. Climate not withstanding, except for the grossly over populated coastal plain it is mostly steep mountains. What little bit of relatively flat (ie rolling hills) agricultural land available is devoted to sugar cane production which is used by the Barbancourt rum factory. Not sure if tobacco could be farmed efficiently enough on sheer cliff sides to make it economically feasible. Factor in the fact that for the past 60 or so years it’s been ruled by some of the most cutthroat and corrupt politicians the world has ever known is in of itself enough to rule out foreign investment.

Back in the mid 80’s when I went, a group of us would rent a driver and his van for $20 each. For that we had use of the van from around 7:00 one day to 3-4 AM the next. First stop was the rhum factory up on the top of a mountain. Took about 2 hours to get there. The trip took us up and down switchback roads with no shoulders and steep drop offs. Once there we would pay a few dollars and do a rhum tasting. They had 10-12 different flavors like coconut, pineapple etc…..

Once throughly chit-faced he’d take us down to a break in the reeds where one of his relatives would sneak us onto some resort over run with topless European women. Drunk, we’d just pass out on the chaise loungers and the relative would wake us every so often to remind us to turn over so we didn’t burn too bad. After a few hours he’d lead us back along the path where our driver was waiting. He would drive us back to the dock then wait for us to shower and eat then take us to the bar.

The only bar we could go to without having to worry about getting our necks slit was actually a whorehouse on the other side of the bay from the resort. You’d find a table and order the only thing served. A bottle of Barbancourt Rhum. They’d bring you all the Coca-Cola and ice you needed. If desired, an hour of female company could be had for around $10.

I recall wanting to leave early one time and head back to the ship. It was around 1:30 AM. The driver couldn’t take me because the bar closed at 3:00 AM. Round trip to the dock was about 2 hours so he’d be late picking everyone up if he took me back early. So he took me to his house and told me to wait by the street because the bus would be there in 15 minutes or so.

The bus ended up being some weird contraption painted like the inside of a kaleidoscope. Though crowded with goats, chickens, dogs and a few people I bravely climbed aboard. Shocks must have been completely worn out or non-existent as I think I bounced up and hit my head on the roof a few hundred times by the time I got to the dock. I was surprised to see that I still had of the fillings in my teeth.

When I think back at some of the dumb chit I’ve done I realize just how lucky I am to still be filtering air.
Palama Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 02-05-2013
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The first thing I think about when I see “Haitian” is this:

https://youtu.be/iWYchJI0Cv8?si=wvDA4MPp5dAX-ykB
Mr. Jones Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,357
Hey dg deptford,

Drove down to avalon , NJ twice last yr...
Got hornswaggled by the girlfriends apple phone directions and took us a really wacky way down there...
Wellllll
We were all around deptford , NJ in a 10 mile radius and EVERY FREAKIN WHERE I LOOKED WERE BRAND NEW MASSIVE AND I MEAN MASSIVE NEWLY BUILT THREE TO FOUR STORY CONCRETE BUNKER WAREHOUSES WITH DOZENS AND DOZENS OF GARAGE DOORS BUT NOOOO
TRUCKS AT ANY OF THEM...
WHAT THE HELL.IS GOING ON DOWN THERE?
I mean I saw at least 15-20?-30?
Of those 20-40 football field sized warehouses with no humans anywhere?
Is it secret military storage?
Home land security offices with underground parking garages?
It really looks very very strange....they don't say AMAZON , OR EBAY OR any corporate denotations or signage?

What the hell is going on down there?
tonygraz Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
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Coincidence ? I streamed an episode of the old TV show "the Saint" the episode was entitled Haiti and in it Simon Templar was given a locally grown cigar. There also was a girl named Cibao i that episode - which is the name of cigar I've smoked and liked.


Jones: Storage for a cult - keep away.
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