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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:02 AM EST
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Thoughts on yesterday's pardons and commutations...
JadeRose Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:12 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Thoughts on yesterday's pardons and commutations...




As a born and bred DOWN STATE Illinoisan, Blagojevich can and should rot in hell along with all the other Illinois Governors that have been sent to prison in my lifetime. I believe the count is either 4 or 5, which is pretty impressive.

I love that Dump supporters have been mostly silent about this. This Governor committed a serious and ultimately stupid felony, was caught, tried and put in prison. He's also a STAUNCH Democrat. Now, becasue Dump knows he has no shot whatsoever of ever winning Illinois, he releases this turd from prison just because Blago was a toady to him on that stupid show he had. SAD!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:38 AM EST
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It's a Presidential "perk".

Reminds me of the Monty Python skit "Bring Out Yer Dead"

https://youtu.be/Jdf5EXo6I68

Always going to piss off people regardless...because. Doesn't matter which party either.
fishinguitarman Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 10:47 AM EST
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Is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 12:23 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Thoughts on yesterday's pardons and commutations...


Well, one of them donated 200k to trump re-election campaigns. So twitler's hands were tied, he had to grant a full pardon.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 12:27 PM EST
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I thought Milken was a bad look.
Glad he didn't pardon Blogvich whatever...the rest....can't say i much gaf
fishinguitarman Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 1:07 PM EST
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More bringing the country back together!

Thanks you queen vicki
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 1:50 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I thought Milken was a bad look.
Glad he didn't pardon Blogvich whatever...the rest....can't say i much gaf


didn't pardon him... but commuted his sentence. I'm guessing to "done".
jjanecka Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 1:53 PM EST
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I would rather have a president pardoning people than cutting off people's heads, that's for damn sure
DrMaddVibe Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 1:59 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
I would rather have a president pardoning people than cutting off people's heads, that's for damn sure



Yeah, that's third rate, er world stuff there.
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 1:59 PM EST
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i dunno. depends on how they're determining which heads?
jjanecka Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:13 PM EST
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Yeah, I get it, these people were all corrupt AF. I'm not disputing that.
jjanecka Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:13 PM EST
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Pardons have always been controversial though
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:33 PM EST
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saying other POTUS did some controversial pardons is like comparing a pile of dog poo with a massive elephant turd...

Trump continues to push the boundaries of conventional POTUS norms, to test his "powers" after his impeachment acquittal...like a little kid on Christmas day...

most of these pardons and commutations bring back images of his lawyers arguing during his impeachment trial that Trump's agenda was not to coerce Ukraine to do him a favor, but was to fight corruption...most of these folks committed serious acts of corruption at high levels of government or in big business...a couple were everyday folks who were associates of a previous Trump pardon...


and he's laying the ground work for more....this was just a heat check...
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:34 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Pardons have always been controversial though


You're right, and I was looking through clinton's list and some of them are ridiculous... (like...his brother)....

Weirdly trump has only pardoned/commuted like 19 sentences.
Compare that to prior presidents in the 100s to 1000s.

But of only 19, 3 were murder convictions. 2 of those of prisoners of war in our custody.

That seems to stand out.

I'm less bothered by the random corrupt people. I mean, I am... but the rich will always get away with sh#t.
jjanecka Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:37 PM EST
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One thing though Vic, most pardons occyr in a president's second term because there isn't šhit anyone can do about it.
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:37 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
saying other POTUS did some controversial pardons is like comparing a pile of dog poo with a massive elephant turd...

Trump continues to push the boundaries of conventional POTUS norms, to test his "powers" after his impeachment acquittal...like a little kid on Christmas day...

most of these pardons and commutations bring back images of his lawyers arguing during his impeachment trial that Trump's agenda was not to coerce Ukraine to do him a favor, but was to fight corruption...most of these folks committed serious acts of corruption at high levels of government or in big business...a couple were everyday folks who were associates of a previous Trump pardon...


and he's laying the ground work for more....this was just a heat check...



He's done some controversial pardons. But he hasn't hit the quantity Obama even did by this time in his presidency.

Now... of the 1,700 pardons obama issued, not a one was for murder. Trump's pardoned 3 people convicted of murder
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:38 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
One thing though Vic, most pardons occyr in a president's second term because there isn't šhit anyone can do about it.


Yeah, the really high nubmers will come later.
But he is under where obama was for this point in his presidency.
I didn't check the other presidents, because it's not that interesting a statistic.

Obama appeared (at a glance) to be pardoning a lot of drug charges tho
RMAN4443 Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 2:49 PM EST
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Clinton pardons and clemencies....

https://search.aol.com/aol/search;_ylt=AwrJ62Dhjk1eFHsAyClpCWVH;_ylu=X3oDMTEzajVvczlrBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNwYWdpbmF0aW9u?q=clinton+pardons+and+commutations&v_t=comsearch&b=11&pz=10&bct=0&xargs=0


Obama pardons and clemencies.....

https://search.aol.com/aol/search;_ylt=A0geK.Wnj01eiS0AyQRpCWVH;_ylu=X3oDMTExc291cTBwBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNyZWwtZWFzdA--?q=obama+pardons+and+commutations&b=11&pz=10&xargs=0&v_t=comsearch&ei=UTF-8&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Aw%2Cm%3Aat-e&s_it=rs-rhr2


Seems to be a common thing among Presidents and their supporters and family members....Brick wall



too many sites to list individually, so I posted a search pages and you can choose for yourselves...
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 3:13 PM EST
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.... you literally just posted a browser search?

And it's AOL?

..... ok Boomer.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 3:16 PM EST
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I think you skipped Bush for some reason. Meh. All pretty crappy and each side bitches when its not their side
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 3:21 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think you skipped Bush for some reason. Meh. All pretty crappy and each side bitches when its not their side


some.... unknown and completely unexpected reason.
rfenst Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 3:40 PM EST
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Moral of the stories for federal prosecutors: Make sure the guilty defendant is also convicted of state crimes so that the president can't get them out of jail.

My prediction for the future is that TRump will persuade state governors to pardon those he cannot.
Mr. Jones Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 4:23 PM EST
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Was I on the L.I.S.T.?

When do I get my $$million++ back?
delta1 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 4:31 PM EST
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it is the high profile corrupt politicians and businessmen who Trump seems to be giving breaks to...

not a whole lot of average Joes who screwed up and are making up for it...
Cheno Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 4:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... you literally just posted a browser search?

And it's AOL?

..... ok Boomer.



Hahaha thinking the same thing with that AOL, didn't even know that was still a thing.
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 4:49 PM EST
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Cheno wrote:
Hahaha thinking the same thing with that AOL, didn't even know that was still a thing.


I knew AOL was still a thing, because my 80 year old father still uses them to connect to the internet.

I thought he was the only person still keeping that company alive.
JadeRose Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 5:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I knew AOL was still a thing, because my 80 year old father still uses them to connect to the internet.

I thought he was the only person still keeping that company alive.



Jesus....still on dial up?
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 5:28 PM EST
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yup...hereyago:

704-482-0022
victor809 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 5:29 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Jesus....still on dial up?


Even worse.
He gets internet connection from a different service, but loads AOL to go on.

Has no idea what an internet browser is.

And he pays them for this.
ZRX1200 Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 5:32 PM EST
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#14 Al read your first two short paragraphs......

If someone is doing something another POTUS did why are YOU so shockingly outraged?



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/23/usa.julianborger

Did the freak with the weird haircut who tried to sell the half white Kenyan’s senate seat donate to the Trump Library?
Mr. Jones Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:13 PM EST
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Pardon me Siiiiirrrrrr....

Is this thE ChattanoogA chOo cHoo?
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
#14 Al read your first two short paragraphs......

If someone is doing something another POTUS did why are YOU so shockingly outraged?



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/23/usa.julianborger

Did the freak with the weird haircut who tried to sell the half white Kenyan’s senate seat donate to the Trump Library?



I get it, Z...there was outrage then from the right...why not now?

didn't defend Billary then...
Whistlebritches Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:16 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
#14 Al read your first two short paragraphs......

If someone is doing something another POTUS did why are YOU so shockingly outraged?



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/23/usa.julianborger

Did the freak with the weird haircut who tried to sell the half white Kenyan’s senate seat donate to the Trump Library?



I'm starting to get the feeling that if Trump pardoned Mother Theresa libs would complain...…..she was pretty hardcore Catholic
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:17 PM EST
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so you were accepting of the Billary pardons, just like you are Trump's?
Whistlebritches Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:22 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
so you were accepting of the Billary pardons, just like you are Trump's?



No Sir...….The Clinton's were and are crooks
RMAN4443 Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:25 PM EST
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Blo me vickie...I thought we had an agreement...you wouldn't speak to me, and I wouldn't mention you kicking homeless veterans and your "compassionate" treatment of your animals...go eat a bag of diks
delta1 Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:28 PM EST
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history will redefine corruption and crookedness on the part of a POTUS from "Nixonian," to "Trumpian" ...
Whistlebritches Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:38 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
history will redefine corruption and crookedness on the part of a POTUS from "Nixonian," to "Trumpian" ...


Come on Al do you really think Nixon and Trump are even in the same league with Billary and Obumma?
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 8:42 PM EST
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I do
Whistlebritches Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I do



Of all people I would have thought you would have seen the sarcasm dripping off my last couple post.Yet I stand by my Clinton's are crooks post
rfenst Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 9:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I do

I do too.
ZRX1200 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Feb 19 2020, 11:04 PM EST
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Al......Bill pardoned a coke dealer that donated to his library and that wasn’t even the highlight. The only people he’s helping are white collar......didn’t he just do prison reform largely targeting minority criminals???

Tell me what exactly any of these newly pardoned people GAVE Cheeto in exchange or any other actual conspicuous circumstances.

He also didn’t pardon a Chelsea Manning which some lefties here even derided and he sure as hell didn’t pardon a Oscar Lopez Rivera.
victor809 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 10:46 AM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Blo me vickie...I thought we had an agreement...you wouldn't speak to me, and I wouldn't mention you kicking homeless veterans and your "compassionate" treatment of your animals...go eat a bag of diks


You think a lot of things. Most of them inaccurate.

How's your discount veterinarian business been?
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#45 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 11:19 AM EST
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Now that Victor809 is part of the Commie13 all agreements have been rescinded. We rule you with iron hand.
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#46 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 11:19 AM EST
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Now that Victor809 is part of the Commie13 all agreements have been rescinded. We rule you with iron hand.
RMAN4443 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 1:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


How's your discount veterinarian business been?

Pretty good, all my pets are alive and well and thriving and happy....How many you got withering and wasting away while you wait for your MIL to fly in and get a last look???
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#48 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 1:52 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Pretty good, all my pets are alive and well and thriving and happy....How many you got withering and wasting away while you wait for your MIL to fly in and get a last look???



Ummmm none? And if I'd followed your advice I would have taken some months of reasonable quality life from one.

Tell me. The current dog has a sneeze. Should I kill it now or tomorrow?
RMAN4443 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 2:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ummmm none? And if I'd followed your advice I would have taken some months of reasonable quality life from one.

Tell me. The current dog has a sneeze. Should I kill it now or tomorrow?

Whatever you think Cliffy...do you mind if we call you Dr. Doo-Little?
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#50 Posted: Thu, Feb 20 2020, 2:13 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Whatever you think Cliffy...do you mind if we call you Dr. Doo-Little?


Hey, you're the one who wanted to stick their nose in how other people take care of their pets. So tell me, do I kill it today or tomorrow?
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