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I posted this:

Just gonna say this once, cause I care about a few of you azzhats.

You better start paying attention to what’s going on.
The situation is considerably worse than most of you think.
I’m not trying to get all Jonsey here, but I do have some knowledge and sources of info.
It’s not just the virus that’s going to cause problems because it will kill a certain percentage of people.
It’s the ancillary damage it will cause to the global economy, which has already started.

Start preparing.

For the most part, the response here, and some other places where I essentially said the same thing, was...
- nothing burger
- flu is worse
- media driven
- nothing I need to worry about
and so on.

Here we are, about where I'd thought we'd be.
It's going to get "interesting" in another 30 days.
But not to worry.........China has already rid itself of the virus and has no new cases!
Everything will be back to normal in a few short weeks, cause well heck, if China got rid of the virus, then we certainly can as well.

Carry on...

Sigh

Nope.

Just busy working at the moment and the post caught my attention. It’s going to be a busy few months for me so believe what you want.

I have sources, too... actual doctors, conferring with other doctors...

Got this from Choner, who got it from a doctor friend... (some of you may not know choner... he used to post here)

A few thoughts on covid-19, especially since there are so many questions….

This is information I’ve borrowed from other doctors, based on the Chinese data set, front lines in Italy and Washington State. It’s put together for non-professional purposes, and I hope you find some of it useful.

Common symptoms:
The most common symptoms are fever, dry cough, exhaustion, and body aches.

A smaller number of people have sore throat, stuffy nose, nausea/diarrhea.

*Runny nose does not seem to be a common symptom of covid19

Disease Course:
Seems the majority of people will have mild disease that resolves within two weeks (80% of people). In comparison, influenza presents with sudden onset of symptoms (fever, chills, etc)

For those that are going to take a turn for the worst (20%), things start turning worst during the second week of illness (around days 8 and 9), with worsening shortness of breath (pneumonia, pneumonitis, ARDS). This ultimately requires supplemental oxygen--initially with some type of mask, followed by mechanical ventilation (5%) at worst. People who have more severe disease tend to take 4-6 weeks to recover.

Symptoms onset:
Usually happens 2-9 days post-exposure (with median of 5 days). Meaning once you are exposed, if you are going to get sick, it takes somewhere between 2-9 days (median of 5 days) for symptoms to start developing.

Transmission:
Majority of transmission is through droplet (coughing, sneezing, surfaces), and not through fine aerosols. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread.

This means, surgical masks are sufficient for droplet precautions. N95s are meant to be used for airborne precautions. Please don’t hoard the N95s, these are needed badly by frontline healthcare people (doctors, nurses, respiratory technicians) who are giving treatments that aerosolize the virus (like nebulizer treatments, bipap/cpap, intubation).

Apparently the virus lives on surfaces for days (I’ve read a range, from 12 hours to 9 days) Disinfect surfaces (alcohol, bleach) often.

Things to do (or not do):

1. Wash. Your. Hands. Wash them so much. Otherwise, use the gels / hand sanitizer. Maybe stop shaking hands…some kind of elbow bump would be cool.

2. Don’t pick your nose. Or put your fingers in your mouth, on your lips, or in your eyes. (Or anyone elses)

3. Surgical masks seem to be enough to limit the spread AND protect you from disease. Please leave the N95s for the frontline healthcare workers who need them.

4. Sanitize the objects that lots of other people touch, (door knobs, light switches, pens, phones, toilet flushes, sink taps). Bleach...alcohol...soap...

5. Social distancing. Do it. This means keeping people apart from one another (preferably 6 feet apart, and sanitize shared objects).

6. If you are sick, stay home. Just stay at home.

7. If school or other events are cancelled and/or you are asked to limit non-essential movement...Just do it.

8. If you’re not feeling super sick or short of breath, DO NOT come to the emergency department. Coming there “to get tested” clogs the system up and delays our ability to care for those who really need it. If you want to get tested, call your primary doctor or better yet call the department of public health. Please don’t come to the ER unless you absolutely need to.

Don’t panic, but at the same time do not blow this off either

Feel free to copy, past, and share widely.

it's like I said in my OP!
It's the ANCILLARY chit MACs.
I'm not running around screaming Covid gonna kill us!!!

It ain't.
But the "disruptions" to normal life are going to be a pain in the azz under the BEST case scenario.
In the worst case scenario?
Well, chit might get ugly.

You think China didn't do this chit on purpose? Why say nothing until it was impossible to deny it?

Hell yeah it's fkn with our markets. Hell yeah it's fkn with our day to day life. You think that's coincidence? Ancilliary? I do not. What's making it worse is the 24/7 media blitz and everyone's panic.

Me? I've lost less than $100 on accounts that are susceptible to the market. I've gained $1000 on others. I'm patiently waiting for the panic to look fkn stupid... and then re-invest my $$.

Alex Jones has the cure.

Our own government suppressed information. Why?

Where are you getting the China did it intentionally info?

We need to step away from the politics and treat it in a scientific way. The conspiracy crap and attempts to minimize things needs to end.

So does the fear mongering.

heh heh.........well......somewhat guilty as charged...

30 days........we'll see where things are in 30 days.....

One last thing.

Johns Hopkins has a decent tracking map. It’s on their sight. If you get it emailed to you don’t open it. It’s infected with malware and not from Johns Hopkins.

People are evil.

Why would you trust the press on this story? Their track record as a whole lately hasn't been all that great.

Honestly I need to quit at least for the evening. I’m tired of it lol.

Where else are you going to get it. Whether at the state or federal level that’s where the best data lies. It’s also where the resources lie.

As for politicizing things it’s typically not the career clinicians (not immune to it but not as bad) as the elected or politically appointed.

Let the scientists and clinicians talk.

I’m not being snarky here Macs. Where would you prefer the data comes from?

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Highly recommend this podcast...

I’ll have to listen to that later. I’ve met him. He wouldn’t remember but I do lol. I met the real patch Adams a month or two later.

Simply analyzing epidemiological data, and then considering the etiology data as it came out, painted a rather stark picture early on.
I did this chit for a living for 25+ years, and got to know some really smaht people in the pharma industry and pharma consulting.
I’m still hoping and praying for the best.
I’m quite prepared for less than the best....

Docs talking to doctors is great. Good doctors will use larger data sets for epidemiological purposes. By the way much of what he gave you and you posted is verbatim from the government.

To ignore state and federal hc resources is very naive and show a very limited knowledge of health care delivery systems and how epidemics are identified and addressed. That actually applies to anywhere in the world (government not necessarily state or fed)

Listening to individual doctors is very important, I do it for a profession and I’m not minimizing it. But it’s a price not the whole.

Much of what docs relay to patients comes from the government. Docs treat. They rely on resources such as (but not only) the government.

I wish healthcare was just that simple. The amount of resources used to spread new or improved treatment protocols is amazing.

My guess is the docs he spoke to that were on the front lines in China were there representing the government. I know we had quite a few folks deployed to China, europe, and now Washington and various parts of the country. An individual doc probably doesn’t go to the hot spots individually unless it’s their back yard.

Ok enough. I think we are just approaching things from a different place and a different view and knowledge base.

I do agree most folks should follow their docs advice.

I’m tired.

And I've also seen that at least a few labs have created a vaccine. Few. Plural. More than one.

R E L A X.

- signed

Aaron Rodgers

I agree the wave is unstoppable. A vaccine is helpful, but not today.

I also believe the wave is not a tsunami, but a bitchin', surfable nalu, brah...

Relax, brah... smoke a doob, and be one with your house... eschew your neighbors for a week or two... you be ayite, see?

It alright yuh nuh a guh dead, me fool friend yuh.

Oh.....and we’re already required to wash our hands also (before the posters)

Italy is claiming a 30% death rate... If those numbers hold true and the virus has that kind of impact here in the states, we will truly be screwed...

If it's just wiping out 30% of the elderly, while sad, not too much of a worry...

If it kills 30% of the infected, that's the time to head to the mountains...

Based on the available information (statistical analysis out of China) the death rate for people who are not old is pretty low.

Unless italian 40 year olds are more susceptible to COVID than chinese, I'd expect it to be the same.

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