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CelticBomber Offline
#301 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
What do you mean "you people"?


(slowly looks around, glances over both shoulders and whispers..) You know... Whitey, Crackahs, Honkys. "Those people" who needs 'em? Livin' in trailers, kissing their sisters, eating mayonnaise sammiches.... They should all go back where they came from.
CelticBomber Offline
#302 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Weird coincidence that you would post this literally 5 minutes before I would read this:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3

Dude and his wife got a bunch of messages that chloroquine was safe and tested (from twitler, from Fox news, from facebook) and decided to self medicate with some chloroquine they got from what appears to be an aquarium kit.


Here's your sign!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#303 Posted:
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You can't call yourself white if you don't consume your mayonnaise straight from the jar via boba straw...
rfenst Offline
#304 Posted:
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My pediatrician brother practices in Lake Wood, NJ where he said things are horrible and that the hospitals are at capacity. He said Orlando is going to get slammed when the Passover/Easter tourists come.
teedubbya Offline
#305 Posted:
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Yup.
victor809 Offline
#306 Posted:
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Our idiot president.... just literally in response to a question about why we should "reopen the country" on Easter:

"Easter is a very special day for me ... Easter Sunday, and you'll have packed churches all over our country."

I get it now. He's a secret atheist plant and his goal is to get all the dumbest and most religious (sorry for redundancy) of us to die.

jespear Offline
#307 Posted:
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[quote=delta1]hope so, Jamie...

and that they don't cause a black market for the drugs, reducing the supply for the sick who need it
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/quote]

My wife has been taking the SANDOZ brand of hydroxychloroquine, (supposedly, the gold standard for this drug), for four years, as part of her Rheumatoid Arthritis treatment.
Her last prescription delivery did not contain the SANDOS brand, but the ACTAVIS brand.
I'm assuming that since SANDOS is considered the gold standard, then ACTIVAS must be of a lesser quality, although my assumption may be erroneous, as the ACTIVAS cost more. ($86 as opposed to $53) More expensive = more better, right ? d'oh!

According to the SANDOZ website, they have sent, 130M doses to the Gubment, and that's why there is none to go around to the people who have been taking it for years.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the ACTIVAS does the job.

jes
victor809 Offline
#308 Posted:
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jespear wrote:
[quote=delta1]hope so, Jamie...

and that they don't cause a black market for the drugs, reducing the supply for the sick who need it
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/quote]

My wife has been taking the SANDOZ brand of hydroxychloroquine, (supposedly, the gold standard for this drug), for four years, as part of her Rheumatoid Arthritis treatment.
Her last prescription delivery did not contain the SANDOS brand, but the ACTAVIS brand.
I'm assuming that since SANDOS is considered the gold standard, then ACTIVAS must be of a lesser quality, although my assumption may be erroneous, as the ACTIVAS cost more. ($86 as opposed to $53) More expensive = more better, right ? d'oh!

According to the SANDOZ website, they have sent, 130M doses to the Gubment, and that's why there is none to go around to the people who have been taking it for years.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the ACTIVAS does the job.

jes


Probably just whichever brand the insurance covered to a larger percentage.

Sounds like your wife must be immune to coronavirus then... at least according to Puddin'.
USNGunner Offline
#309 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
(slowly looks around, glances over both shoulders and whispers..) You know... Whitey, Crackahs, Honkys. "Those people" who needs 'em? Livin' in trailers, kissing their sisters, eating mayonnaise sammiches.... They should all go back where they came from.


HA HA! STUPID SEABOARDER!

That just goes to show what you damnable Yankees know! It's peanut butter and mayonaise sandwiches.

So you can just stay right where your pasty white butt is. Ain't wanting no carpet baggers roun heah!

"mayonanaise sammiches! What a maroon!"

LOL
frankj1 Offline
#310 Posted:
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Victor (or anyone with some knowledge), if someone recovers from this virus, are they now immune?
If yes, can a cure/vaccine be developed from their blood or other cells or parts I never heard about?
delta1 Offline
#311 Posted:
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yes to both Q's...I heard Dr. Sanjay Gupta talking about both topics during a televised corona virus town hall...

virus will behave like measles...once you get it you're likely to have long-term immunity

several medical research studies underway to use anti-bodies taken from infected persons and replicating them...
CelticBomber Offline
#312 Posted:
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USNGunner wrote:
HA HA! STUPID SEABOARDER!

That just goes to show what you damnable Yankees know! It's peanut butter and mayonaise sandwiches.

So you can just stay right where your pasty white butt is. Ain't wanting no carpet baggers roun heah!

"mayonanaise sammiches! What a maroon!"

LOL



Sooo.... I git the sister thing right? If so PM me and type slooooow!
USNGunner Offline
#313 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Sooo.... I git the sister thing right? If so PM me and type slooooow!



Uh, well, maybe................. Anxious

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Iffin a girl ain't good enough for kin, she ain't good enough to marry! Shame on you
CelticBomber Offline
#314 Posted:
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USNGunner wrote:
Uh, well, maybe................. Anxious

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Iffin a girl ain't good enough for kin, she ain't good enough to marry! Shame on you


Excellent! I've got my carpet bag all packed! I hope you have space roomie! How do you feel about share cropping? I plan to buy up all your land and your neighbors too. Daddy is coming!
USNGunner Offline
#315 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
Excellent! I've got my carpet bag all packed! I hope you have space roomie! How do you feel about share cropping? I plan to buy up all your land and your neighbors too. Daddy is coming!



LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
USNGunner Offline
#316 Posted:
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On a serious note

Xi’s Disease across United States: FEMA Update

As of 1700 ET 24 Mar, FEMA reported 44,467 (+303) COVID-19 U.S. cases and 550 (+6) domestic fatalities. WHO/FEMA reported 377,801 (+3,025) confirmed cases and 16,441 (+210) fatalities worldwide. POTUS has approved Major Disaster Declarations for IA and LA

The Governors of HI and VT have issued “stay-at-home" orders. Multiple cities in TX, GA, AL, FL, and CO have also now issued similar orders. The Mayor of DC has ordered all non-essential businesses to close. On 24 Mar, during a White House press briefing, a White House official advised anyone who recently traveled to New York City and the New York metro area to self-quarantine for 14 days.

HHS has accepted a FEMA Mission Assignment to support NY and will provide medical staff to augment state and local medical response resources for immediate and short-term medical needs. Effective 0800 ET 25 Mar, FEMA will establish a Food Supply Chain Task Force to analyze the impact of limited Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) in the Nation’s food supply.

As of 25 Mar, CBP referred 247,754 (+3,660) travelers to CWMD for enhanced screening; including 1,442 (+9) who were referred to CDC for further screening. On 24 Mar, ICE reported a Mexican national in ICE custody at the Bergen County Jail in Hackensack, NJ, tested positive for COVID-19. The individual has been quarantined and is receiving care. ICE has suspended intake at the facility until further information is available.

On 24 Mar, DOD reported three sailors aboard the USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT CVN-71 (underway in the Pacific Ocean) were diagnosed with COVID-19 and were evacuated from the ship.
Bones33 Offline
#317 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Victor (or anyone with some knowledge), if someone recovers from this virus, are they now immune?
If yes, can a cure/vaccine be developed from their blood or other cells or parts I never heard about?

Why would you ask Victor for some knowledge or advice about anything. He’s defending two jackasses who self medicated with chloroquine phosphate.
Plus Mr. Puddin is trying to be optimistic about combatting a viral pneumonia and offering hopeful information.
Victor is a pessimist at best and an anarchist at worst. Proving by every post, he truly hates America and roots for its destruction every waking moment.

He’s a Punk
teedubbya Offline
#318 Posted:
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[rollingeyes]
delta1 Offline
#319 Posted:
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Bones33 wrote:
Why would you ask Victor for some knowledge or advice about anything. He’s defending two jackasses who self medicated with chloroquine phosphate.
Plus Mr. Puddin is trying to be optimistic about combatting a viral pneumonia and offering hopeful information.
Victor is a pessimist at best and an anarchist at worst. Proving by every post, he truly hates America and roots for its destruction every waking moment.

He’s a Punk


but he does his homework and is willing to provide his sources of info...lot more than many of his critics...
tonygraz Offline
#320 Posted:
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Prince Charles has been tested and found positive to Covid19. I heard a reporter asked him how he felt about it and he replied "What, Me Worry".
delta1 Offline
#321 Posted:
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why should he...he's over 70 and he's a product of in-breeding, which produces a number of underlying health conditions that weaken the immune system...


got nothing to worry about

Whistle
frankj1 Offline
#322 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Prince Charles has been tested and found positive to Covid19. I heard a reporter asked him how he felt about it and he replied "What, Me Worry".

Did he go away MAD?
victor809 Offline
#323 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Victor (or anyone with some knowledge), if someone recovers from this virus, are they now immune?
If yes, can a cure/vaccine be developed from their blood or other cells or parts I never heard about?



delta wrote:
yes to both Q's...I heard Dr. Sanjay Gupta talking about both topics during a televised corona virus town hall...
virus will behave like measles...once you get it you're likely to have long-term immunity several medical research studies underway to use anti-bodies taken from infected persons and replicating them...


I'm going to guess you will only have long term immunity to this particular strain.
This is just a guess, so feel free to check better sources... but this is a corona virus, same basic structure as your common cold (also a corona virus). There's no reason I can think of to imagine that what has become COVID-19 can have enough small mutations on the outer capsid to make it undetectable to antibodies to the original one.

Could be something as simple as getting an annual vaccination to the predominant strain though, same thing we do with the flu.
USNGunner Offline
#324 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Did he go away MAD?



Right. I wondered if anyone else caught that. LOL
victor809 Offline
#325 Posted:
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Bones33 wrote:
Why would you ask Victor for some knowledge or advice about anything. He’s defending two jackasses who self medicated with chloroquine phosphate.
Plus Mr. Puddin is trying to be optimistic about combatting a viral pneumonia and offering hopeful information.
Victor is a pessimist at best and an anarchist at worst. Proving by every post, he truly hates America and roots for its destruction every waking moment.

He’s a Punk


Defending?

Look through my posts over the years and think to yourself whether it would seem logical that I would defend anyone who took medical advice from our moron of a president.

Does that seem consistent at all to you?

Yet that's the stance you take?

Not every situation is "win/lose"... sometimes both the idiots blaming the president for giving them medical advice AND the idiot president giving medical advice are BOTH losers.

And you're upset I'm pessimistic when someone's trying to give you hope that a cure will come and save you?

I'm pointing out issues with the study in which they are trying to prove the cure will work. That's not pessimism... that's actual reality.

Are you seriously on here upset because I'm not willing to join in with the blowing of smoke up your ass just because it makes you feel bad?
teedubbya Offline
#326 Posted:
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There is a study underway using the blood of those who were a symptomatic. I believe they are or will be collecting blood in NY.
teedubbya Offline
#327 Posted:
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In fairness smoke blown up ones ass does feel good.
victor809 Offline
#328 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
In fairness smoke blown up ones ass does feel good.


I was wondering why I smelled smoke when you farted.
frankj1 Offline
#329 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Defending?

Look through my posts over the years and think to yourself whether it would seem logical that I would defend anyone who took medical advice from our moron of a president.

Does that seem consistent at all to you?

Yet that's the stance you take?

Not every situation is "win/lose"... sometimes both the idiots blaming the president for giving them medical advice AND the idiot president giving medical advice are BOTH losers.

And you're upset I'm pessimistic when someone's trying to give you hope that a cure will come and save you?

I'm pointing out issues with the study in which they are trying to prove the cure will work. That's not pessimism... that's actual reality.

Are you seriously on here upset because I'm not willing to join in with the blowing of smoke up your ass just because it makes you feel bad?

I deleted my response to his post.
You have better things to do.
tonygraz Offline
#330 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I was wondering why I smelled smoke when you farted.


His nickname used to be "stud" - it was short for Studebaker.
MACS Offline
#331 Posted:
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This MD from Stanford has some valid points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBzkhd3QpI
Gene363 Offline
#332 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
This MD from Stanford has some valid points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReBzkhd3QpI


Especially if, as some have said, this virus has been here much longer than the recent China crisis.
clintCigar Offline
#333 Posted:
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Seems like China is pissed at their fearless leader for the handling of WuRona

https://youtu.be/hb7uqXzHnYw
danmdevries Offline
#334 Posted:
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The initial plan at work was to have my unit stay "clean" with both staff and rooms attempted to exclude from covid patients so we had critical care beds for other folks like gunshots and heart attacks and stuff.

While they're still going to try to keep the unit clean, they're shifting staff around. Higher risk staff is getting moved to my unit, and lower risk is getting moved to the covid units.

I've been reassigned to covid units starting my next workweek.
teedubbya Offline
#335 Posted:
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Hang in there damn. What I’m seeing coming from the NY hospitals suggests you may be in for a ride.

Stay safe.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#336 Posted:
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Just as I predicted, more highly positive results of the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo are coming in. The Fox News Channel primetime shows had more patients interviewed last night, including a guy who, just like the last guy they interviewed the other day, thought he was done for, and after getting those two drugs, he's now back home and cured and feeling perfectly normal and great, after being at death's doorstep previously. Because both were discharged from the hospital, that means they both had to have two negative tests in a row.... which means it's a cure.

I also noticed a shift in tone from the professionals being interviewed about it. They went from "well we can't say yet, let's wait and see, beyond that I have no comment" to "let's wait and see but gosh we're starting to see some good results here..."

It's happening, like I said it would. Next week the anecdotal "IT WORKS!" floodgates will probably open much wider.
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teedubbya Offline
#337 Posted:
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I hope so.

I disagree with you on the tone of the professionals and think you or fox are seeing what you want to see. Remember fox is entertainment and highly controlled or produced.

Anyone who has ever worked with health care professionals, especially at the public health or delivery model knows the tone around clinical trials etc. it doesn’t change for this or anything else.

Love your optimism though. I hope you are right. I just wouldn’t rely on fox or msnbc for my info.
teedubbya Offline
#338 Posted:
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And I think your prediction on fox coverage is probably right.
teedubbya Offline
#339 Posted:
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Fox entertainment folks like Ingram, hannity, Reagan etc have been consistently wrong on this and have pretzeled themselves to try to cover that fact. I hope they are right about this one but I’d turn elsewhere for validation.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#340 Posted:
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Yes, I'm aware of that. My analysis rests on multiple and varied pieces of real data and evidence, not on cable news content.

However, the cable news interviews with people who were about to die and then were suddenly cured after taking the two drugs are interesting to watch and do have limited value. It's also nice to hear reports of the two-drug combination being used nationwide "off-label" and hearing from the M.D.s who are doing it.
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Bones33 Offline
#341 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Defending?

Look through my posts over the years and think to yourself whether it would seem logical that I would defend anyone who took medical advice from our moron of a president.

Does that seem consistent at all to you?

Yet that's the stance you take?

Not every situation is "win/lose"... sometimes both the idiots blaming the president for giving them medical advice AND the idiot president giving medical advice are BOTH losers.

And you're upset I'm pessimistic when someone's trying to give you hope that a cure will come and save you?

I'm pointing out issues with the study in which they are trying to prove the cure will work. That's not pessimism... that's actual reality.

Are you seriously on here upset because I'm not willing to join in with the blowing of smoke up your ass just because it makes you feel bad?


I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to Mr. Frank. Stay out of our conversation.
teedubbya Offline
#342 Posted:
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Want a private conversation? Do it in private.
teedubbya Offline
#343 Posted:
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The thing is we need to compare results to that of placebos or it could be catastrophic. I know it’s inconvenient and needs to be streamlined but it must be done. And there are other equally promising approaches that we must do the same.
teedubbya Offline
#344 Posted:
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But I still hope and pray it works.
delta1 Offline
#345 Posted:
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speaking of prayer...some pastors are claiming they have cured a few of their infected and sick members...how do we validate those claims?

we've trusted the FDA to establish safety standards and reviewable testing protocols...I certainly hope they can fast track their tests of these drugs that have anecdotally been cures...

wonder if there have there been anecdotal reports where there have been less than positive outcomes, besides the idiots who took fish aquarium chems...I'm skeptical if all we hear are 100% cures when administering this combo of drugs... they don't do that even when treating malaria...
Pudding Mittens Offline
#346 Posted:
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Yup, the placebo effect can be really powerful. Placebo saline injections are documented to sometimes cure even terminal cancer if the patient is led to believe they're powerful cure drugs. In one case, the patient later discovered it had just been saline, and his tumors returned and he died.

If you're thinking, "gee that makes it sound like our current understanding of science is incomplete" then yeah, pretty much. However, mainstream doctors and researchers tend to not want to think about this (addiction to current-era established assumptions/beliefs) and while they'll happily discuss placebos for simpler things like pain reduction that ARE reasonably explainable under our current scientific paradigm, they do the "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" bit and quickly change the subject when you start to point out and ask about the cases that are NOT. These cases, being documented fact, presumably WILL be explainable someday under a future, expanded understanding of science and medicine, but under today's worldview and assumptions they are not.

So sure, placebo could be a big factor here, that's why we do the controlled studies. However, a large number of anecdotal successes still carry some weight, just not definitive weight.

The cool thing is, both these two drugs were safety tested and FDA-approved decades ago, so that part of the process is already done. Effectiveness evaluation for this new use, however, is still pending.

Stay tuned!
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teedubbya Offline
#347 Posted:
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The folks I work with are much more open minded that that but do demand the scientific method and data.

That said I have told my doc many times if a placebo will work give me that. It’s the outcome that is important.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#348 Posted:
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That said I have told my doc many times if a placebo will work give me that. It’s the outcome that is important.

They're finding now that it can work even if you know it's a placebo, with no blinding whatsoever, provided the doctor tells you that it might help anyway.

Interesting stuff.
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delta1 Offline
#349 Posted:
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we need more doctors who can convincingly pull off the "take this...it will help" chat
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#350 Posted:
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The virus is real i don't doubt that... but it almost feels like a test of nation wide behavior... Think
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