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victor809 Offline
#401 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
Yup.

That's why all of "us" are scared. We can treat the other stuff. We can't treat this. And we're highly susceptible because it seems like the initial exposure viral load correlates with severity of symptoms in the otherwise healthy. And we're dealing with this without proper PPE. I'd walk into a room with the confidence and swagger of McGregor if I had the proper equipment. But we don't. We don't have goggles/face shields. We don't have respirators. We get a face mask that does fxckall to protect us.

This needs to be thought of as like a toxic corrosive gas cloud more than a virulent pathogen. We're all used to the flu, the cold, and other ailments major or minor. You recover and go back to your normal. This is different. You recover, but the damage remains. It's like inhaling a cloud of acid that burns your lungs.


Permanent lung damage is not on my list of things I would like to get.

Time to start shivving anyone who coughs.
DrafterX Offline
#402 Posted:
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You prolly need to shiv them before they cough... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#403 Posted:
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400 Danm Amen brother. Hearing same out of my hospitals.

Take this seriously folks. We are not panicking or overreacting.

Several weeks ago I kept saying sometimes dead is better. The living “hospital sick” will have a long haul and likely never fully recover.

At the time I was saying that I was seeing data suggesting 1-3% death rate. 20% (including the 1-3% death folks) hospital sick rate. Of the remaining 80% half would get pneumonia leaving some degree of scarring and permanent damage. The other half are the lucky ones that folks were acting like would be the norm.

So that’s 20% hospital sick, 40% pneumonia treated at home and 40% no symptoms or flu like.

That was a while ago and we may know more or it may have changed. Yet folks including the President continue to compare it to the flu.
delta1 Offline
#404 Posted:
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butt Trump...
Pudding Mittens Offline
#405 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
We don't have goggles/face shields

Saw last night that... Ford, I think it was... is converting some of their production line(s) to crank out face shields, with the first 75,000 expected this week, and 100,000 per week after that.

Other similar efforts are underway too.

A slight bit of good news.
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teedubbya Offline
#406 Posted:
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It is good news but we have constantly been lied to about such things. Remember 4 million tests about 3 weeks ago?
teedubbya Offline
#407 Posted:
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Expecting ventilators out of Detroit as well.
teedubbya Offline
#408 Posted:
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As for the lack of PPEs that’s been true and known for weeks at least.
delta1 Offline
#409 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Expecting ventilators out of Detroit as well.


negotiations between Fed Govt. and GM to make ventilators broke down over pricing issue...Trump publicly called out GM CEO
DrafterX Offline
#410 Posted:
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Didn't we have tests but they turned out to be faulty. .?? Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#411 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Didn't we have tests but they turned out to be faulty. .?? Mellow


That was before the 4M promise which everyone on stage knew was a lie. Different issue.

The idiot gave several conferences in a row promising massive number of tests by the end of each week etc. every time it was known that wouldn’t happen. Part of the Barnum and Bailey treatment of this. He does remind me of Baghdad Bob.

The faulty tests were earlier and a tiny number. It had nothing to do with his lies.
teedubbya Offline
#412 Posted:
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In the next day or so we will have more deaths than from 911
delta1 Offline
#413 Posted:
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seems like years ago during a time of crisis with numbers of people dying, but Trump declared a National Emergency on March 13, and invoked the Defense Production Act on March 18...

all to little efffect...

wonder why he hasn't set up a national FEMA Joint Ops Command Center; ordered states and local govts to set up command centers at their levels and coordinate their activities around their primary mission: to identify existing needed medical supplies, inventory the nation's stockpiles, order private companies to produce them and take charge of logistics in distribution to places of greatest needs...we can exhaust the stockpile while producing stuff to replenish...he has the authority given the national emergency preparedness guidelines codified into law, to do this


shoulda been done when he declared an emergency, at which time he said there was a shortage of this stuff...

is he not listening to his DHS and FEMA folks?


I guess his priority now is to hold daily press briefings to discuss his successful response to the emergency...
danmdevries Online
#414 Posted:
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
Saw last night that... Ford, I think it was... is converting some of their production line(s) to crank out face shields, with the first 75,000 expected this week, and 100,000 per week after that.

Other similar efforts are underway too.

A slight bit of good news.
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That's what I'm hoping for.

WWII type repurposing manufacturing facilities for needed equipment.

Problem is, domestic production is still heavily affected by the enemy.

I told my wife, I've been having a recurring dream for years that I accidentally enlisted with the Navy/Army. I go about my day and then comes time to go do my own thing and I'm told I can't. So then I say I need to see my family. Nope... So then I say I quit, and I'm told I can't...

This is my nightmare come true.

But I hope and pray that domestic manufacturing can be repurposed and we have enough healthy workers to step up to the plate and get us the things we need to fight the enemy and reduce casualties. If the healthcare workforce falls, you all are royally screwed.
DrafterX Offline
#415 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
That was before the 4M promise which everyone on stage knew was a lie. Different issue.

The idiot gave several conferences in a row promising massive number of tests by the end of each week etc. every time it was known that wouldn’t happen. Part of the Barnum and Bailey treatment of this. He does remind me of Baghdad Bob.

The faulty tests were earlier and a tiny number. It had nothing to do with his lies.



Always gotta bring up facts.. Not talking
tonygraz Offline
#416 Posted:
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Heard today less testing will be done because of a lack of Protective equipment and also swabs. No longer watching the daily press briefings - almost all of it is lies and bullship.
teedubbya Offline
#417 Posted:
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I fell asleep and missed Baghdad Bobs performance tonight.
tonygraz Offline
#418 Posted:
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Before or during ?
teedubbya Offline
#419 Posted:
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Before. The amount of lies during it tends to keep me awake.
teedubbya Offline
#420 Posted:
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Did he mention the scud missile he’s developing that will blow up over major cities and spray everyone with malaria drugs killing the virus and lifting his name up next to Jesus?

teedubbya Offline
#421 Posted:
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It’s being build by Jared in the White House garage and is shaped like a shark with laser beam eyes!
DrafterX Offline
#422 Posted:
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The Subway guy..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#423 Posted:
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Yes.
teedubbya Offline
#424 Posted:
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Baghdad Bob again blamed the administration before him tonight lol. He’s 3/4 through his term. Next year we could have a new Prez. If the virus waited a year would we just ignore Bobs regime and still blame bammy. He thinks his followers are rubes.
delta1 Offline
#425 Posted:
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give him credit.......he occasionally gets some things right
8trackdisco Offline
#426 Posted:
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4 stories in a row from a podcast not specifically dedicated to health.

Story 1: USA now leads the world in infections.
Story 2: woefully short on ventilators.
Story 3: mayor of Chicago sees people running along the lakeshore trails and people were seen using Chicago’s green spaces. Trail and all green spaces closed.
Story 4: for good mental health, get outside, exercise, and don’t listen to to repeated stories about the corona virus.

Wtf? We are supposed to rely on the media and gubmiint?
Pudding Mittens Offline
#427 Posted:
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MAJOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS:



1. The French infectious disease researcher who did the initial small-scale hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin tests that showed a 100% cure rate with those 2 drugs combined has now completed a larger study. Details:

Preprint just released, will be published over the weekend.
Again no control group (likely again due to time pressure).
80 patients, all hospitalized with COVID-19.
79 of the 80 survived, a result considered quite remarkable.
Within 8 days, 93% of the patients had no detectable virus in their bodies.
Results fit with anecdotal cure reports coming in from doctors and patients in the field.
Better studies are underway now.



2. Anecdotal reports from rheumatologists about hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19. Details:

A number of rheumatologists (who routinely prescribe hydroxychloroquine for their patients for other conditions like arthritis) are reporting apparent significant antiviral effects of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19.

No further details or studies at this time.



3. Safety study on use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin together. Details:

Uncontrolled.
Found no incremental (additional) risk of using the two drugs together.
Results fit with anecdotal reports from doctors in the field indicating no major problems using these 2 drugs together.
Better studies to follow soon.



4. Convalescent plasma study. Details:

Published in JAMA.
Recovered patients' plasma was given to current COVID-19 patients to transfer antibodies.
Small-scale study with 5 patients, all "morbidly ill" with COVID-19.
All had lungs heavily affected, were in the ICU and were intubated (on ventilators).
All 5 patients survived.
Of the 5, 3 went home, the other 2 are doing okay.
Perfect recovery rate of 5/5 is considered remarkable at that advanced level of seriousness.
Larger proper clinical trials starting in NY now.



5. FDA just approved a new COVID-19 test. Details:

Compact, can be done in a doctor's office, no hospital needed.
Provides positive results in 5 minutes.
Provides negative results in 13 minutes.
Will facilitate much easier and widespread mass testing.
Intention is to test millions of people in April.


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MACS Offline
#428 Posted:
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I remain hopeful that we can get this under control and get back to bidness as usual. Sooner rather than later would be better.

Now we have 2 positive tests at the jail and waiting on results for a handful more.
Speyside Offline
#429 Posted:
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The fast test is a major win.
tonygraz Offline
#430 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Did he mention the scud missile he’s developing that will blow up over major cities and spray everyone with malaria drugs killing the virus and lifting his name up next to Jesus?



I did hear something about a miracle wiping out the corona, but racked it up as #19,584.
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#431 Posted:
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Our goose stepping Democrat governor signed an executive order yesterday that will shut the entire state down until April 30th! He'll be history this November. Strange that ABC stores and gun shops are listed as essential businesses.

My wife and I hit Wal-Mart when they opened this morning (7 am). We had to wait outside in line, 6' apart. They would let 3 or 4 people in every few minutes. I think I need to go punch some paper.
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#432 Posted:
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Oh, and for the 60 and older crowd, many stores have nation wide early shopping hours for seniors.

Costco - Tuesday & Thursday, 8 am to 9 am.
Sam's Club - M thru Sa, 8am to 9 am. Sunday, 9 am to 10am.
Aldi - Tuesday & Thursday, 8:30 am to 9 am.
Wal-Mart - Tuesday only, 1 hour early. Check your local store's normal operating hours and you can go in 1 hour early on Tuesday. For our stores it would be 6 am to 7 am.

David
Pudding Mittens Offline
#433 Posted:
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Some further info:



Pudding Mittens wrote:
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1. The French infectious disease researcher who did the initial small-scale hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin tests that showed a 100% cure rate with those 2 drugs combined has now completed a larger study. Details:

Preprint just released, will be published over the weekend.
Again no control group (likely again due to time pressure).
80 patients, all hospitalized with COVID-19.
79 of the 80 survived, a result considered quite remarkable.
Within 8 days, 93% of the patients had no detectable virus in their bodies.
Results fit with anecdotal cure reports coming in from doctors and patients in the field.
Better studies are underway now.

The 1 person who didn't survive was over 86 years old and was way "too far gone" by the time the study started, with "irreversible" damage.

That means 79 out of 79 "save-able" patients were saved.



A doctor Smith who runs a NY infectious disease group said his group is giving hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to all suitable COVID-19 patients, currently 53 patients, and of the ones who required intubation (I believe it was 10 of them), it was ALWAYS before Day 3 of the treatment. ZERO patients needed it after Day 3, which he said is remarkable.

Dr. Smith also said that of all the doctors in his organization, when asked their opinions about hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin based on what they were seeing administering it to COVID-19 patients, one said he was undecided, but the all the others said they strongly believed it was helping a lot.

I have no further info, but I hope Dr. Smith is going to publish this somewhere.



A doctor whose name begins with Z, but but I can't remember the full name, indicated that he treated 669 COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and only 5 required hospitalization and only 2 were intubated, which is again considered a remarkable result.

Again I have no further info, but again I hope Dr. Z is going to publish this somewhere.


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teedubbya Offline
#434 Posted:
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Where are you pasting this from?
teedubbya Offline
#435 Posted:
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And what is your background? Pm is fine if more comfortable and I’d never share if told not to.
teedubbya Offline
#436 Posted:
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To be clear that’s not meant as a challenge or anything negative. I’ve just been reading a lot of preliminary studies which I can’t really post. Just wondering where yours comes from.
tonygraz Offline
#437 Posted:
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I think he watches Fox nudes - Trish Reagan was his favorite, but now they fired her.
teedubbya Offline
#438 Posted:
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I wasn’t saying that. It’s just sources of such info is important
teedubbya Offline
#439 Posted:
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And I am not disagreeing or denigrating the info. Just want to follow up and look deeper. For my purposes not to disparage.
Pudding Mittens Offline
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This is moving fast and I'm just passing along what I'm seeing from many and varied news reports and live interviews with the doctors and researchers themselves, I often forget the specific sources of each.

Many are published or soon-to-be-published as indicated however, so just go read them. The other stuff is probably Google-able, or will be soon. Some of this you may have to wait awhile as it's so new that it's not Google-able yet.

Here's what I can recall about the sources:

1. As indicated, to be published imminently (over the weekend or Monday), go read it when published. Is in pre-print form now.

2. Live interview last night with Dr. Marc Siegel, associate professor of medicine at NYU Langone Medical Center, commenting on what several of his rheumatologist colleagues have been telling him.

3. Cable news report, study is either published or to-be-published soon, go read it.

4. Published in JAMA as indicated, go read it.

5. Cable news report, Google for details should work.

Dr. Smith's comments are from a live cable news interview with him last night.

The "Dr. Z" information was relayed by a non-physician third party being interviewed on cable news last night, so take with a grain of salt, but it's likely the overall "gist" of it is correct. Unknown if this will be published or when. I have no further details.

There ya go, hope it helps.
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teedubbya Offline
#441 Posted:
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I gotcha. Cool.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#442 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
what is your background? Pm is fine if more comfortable and I’d never share if told not to.

Software engineer, as I've said before.

teedubbya wrote:
To be clear that’s not meant as a challenge or anything negative. I’ve just been reading a lot of preliminary studies which I can’t really post. Just wondering where yours comes from. [...] And I am not disagreeing or denigrating the info. Just want to follow up and look deeper. For my purposes not to disparage.

Understood. Not the typical Internet troll type, but a guy who is politely and respecfully trying to share info.

teedubbya wrote:
I gotcha. Cool.

Glad to help. Hope you can find most/all of the stuff. Happy reading!
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#443 Posted:
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
.5. FDA just approved a new COVID-19 test. Details:

Compact, can be done in a doctor's office, no hospital needed.
Provides positive results in 5 minutes.
Provides negative results in 13 minutes.
Will facilitate much easier and widespread mass testing.
Intention is to test millions of people in April..


I just ran this by my wife (She works in our local hospitals lab), her lab supervisor and the hospital pathologist.

Speaking to this one and this one alone. The FDA has thrown the doors wide open. This is an emergency, go for it. They're pretty much approving anything that doesn't look harmful.

As to this test, if it's the point of care test using a blood droplet, their evaluation is that's it's not accurate enough to be reliable. It is essentially kabuki theatre (opinion!). Until they actually isolate the specific anti-bodies, it's a shot in the dark. Our hospital after looking at the data is not using that test at any of their facilities.

My wife's lab manager is a **** hot med lab scientist, super educated and a sharp cookie. She is one of the few people that when she actually lays out an opinion I take heed of.
teedubbya Offline
#444 Posted:
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Lots of different tests. Some to see if you have it others HAD it.

Can’t wait to find out if I had it. Maybe can help more if you did.

Edit - not in reference to above post.
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#445 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Lots of different tests. Some to see if you have it others HAD it.

Can’t wait to find out if I had it. Maybe can help more if you did.

Edit - not in reference to above post.


Right. That's why I put "opinion" in the post. There is so much getting put out, it's easy to get lost in the whirlwind.
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I wasn’t even thinking about your post. The blood left my head at **** hot med lab scientists.

Thinking of writing a sequel to my book (why do I cry when I self pleasure)

Working title is who knew tears make good lube?
USNGunner Offline
#447 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I wasn’t even thinking about your post. The blood left my head at **** hot med lab scientists.

Thinking of writing a sequel to my book (why do I cry when I self pleasure)

Working title is who knew tears make good lube?


She is a sharp sharp cookie. But she does that funky blue winged eyeshade thing. It reminds me of the secretary from the drew carrie show. Samantha fish does that too. I hate that.

teedubbya Offline
#448 Posted:
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It just moved.
Pudding Mittens Offline
#449 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
why do I cry when I self pleasure

The sweet sinful release of Onanism moves you to tears?
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It’s mostly guilt and sadness
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