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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:24 PM EST
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So this network has gotten a bit of popularity recently, specifically among a certain set of our population. Let's say, people who are unhappy with the news being presented to them and want a network which will give them exactly the news they want.

Interestingly, the president fits into this category. So he's given white house credentials to this "news" network.

Let's look at the sort of questions the reporters for this network are posing the president

OANN State Media Flunkie: "Mr. President, do you consider the term ‘Chinese food’ to be racist because it is food that originated from China?"
Twitler's response (as expected): "I don’t think that’s racist at all,"
OANN State Media Flunkie: "On that note, major left-wing media, even in this room, have teamed up with Chinese communist party narratives, and they are claiming you are racist for making these claims about ‘Chinese virus,’ Is it alarming that major media players, just to oppose you, are siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals, and Latin gangs and cartels and they work right here out of the White House with direct access to you and your team?"

This of course teed twitler up to go on a rant against "the media", claim "I don’t think anybody has done as much as I have done in three years,”

and, completely without irony, the OANN State Media Flunkie then stated: "they are siding with state propaganda,"

So... let's look a little deeper into this OANN "White House Correspondent", Chanel Rion (said without any snickering, I promise).

One of Rion's segments on OANN literally pushed the conspiracy theory that COVID-19 was produced in a lab in North Carolina and released in China by the "deep state". This segment was just 5 days ago.

This same "White House Correspondent" was a political cartoonist who pushed both the Seth Rich conspiracy theories, as well as the "Spirit Cooking" conspiracy theory (in which Democrats are apparently Satanic Cannibals)

Seriously. This is insane.
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:33 PM EST
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Their commentary heads are right out of the Limbaugh/Hannity school of 'journalism'.

But, I must admit that their news reporting programs actually played very straight.
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:38 PM EST
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Spirit cooking is SICKEY WICKET

BIGTIME
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:39 PM EST
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But yet the sources you quote.....


Oh sweet irony
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:48 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Their commentary heads are right out of the Limbaugh/Hannity school of 'journalism'.

But, I must admit that their news reporting programs actually played very straight.


I am assuming that you consider their segment "Exposing China's Coronavirus: The Fears, The Lies and The Unknown" to b a news reporting program? Because the parts of that I saw was a lot of crazy conspiracy sh@t
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:52 PM EST
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I don't find OANN credible on most things and they tend to spew disinformation. (remember this is about OANN not other news sources who have their own issues). OANN is not a solid alternative to other bias that does exist unless you just accept bias and want your own flavor.

There are very few straight players. All of 'em have some straight news people that try to follow decent journalistic standards and norms. It's just getting difficult to identify them because the news and opinion is blurring and less time is being spent on straight news. I don't find OANN straight news reporting as decent as dst does but opinions and bungholes.

You can predict the disinformation campaign in here and elsewhere by watching them though. Too bad there are no vegas lines on it or an attentive person could clean up.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:54 PM EST
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can something be Chinese if it's never been to China....
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 1:55 PM EST
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I honestly just can't get over this line... "major media players, just to oppose you, are siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals, and Latin gangs and cartels"

... it's a word salad grab bag of all the evil people they want to identify.
dstieger Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I am assuming that you consider their segment "Exposing China's Coronavirus: The Fears, The Lies and The Unknown" to b a news reporting program? Because the parts of that I saw was a lot of crazy conspiracy sh@t


Watched it couple times in last couple weeks - maybe on weekends. Wasn't one of the shows with someone's name in the title -- But they were truly news programs with very little spin. I was surprised and fairly impressed.

Another news program that surprised and impressed me recently was an ABC COVID special- maybe a 20/20 show? Very well done and avoided easy political pot shots
MACS Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:18 PM EST
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Huh... so OANN isn't credible and spew disinformation... and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and hell, even FOX... they're not guilty of that. Is this correct?

Meh. And that's pretty much a half-hearted meh. This doesn't even deserve a full meh.
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:20 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Watched it couple times in last couple weeks - maybe on weekends. Wasn't one of the shows with someone's name in the title -- But they were truly news programs with very little spin. I was surprised and fairly impressed.

Another news program that surprised and impressed me recently was an ABC COVID special- maybe a 20/20 show? Very well done and avoided easy political pot shots


Careful Dave... wouldn't want to look like a right wing radical.
teedubbya Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:24 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Huh... so OANN isn't credible and spew disinformation... and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and hell, even FOX... they're not guilty of that. Is this correct?

Meh. And that's pretty much a half-hearted meh. This doesn't even deserve a full meh.



All I know is that's not what I said. *shrug*
MACS Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:27 PM EST
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No. It's what I said...

You act as if their is a better news source for info. I disagree with you. It's worth a half-hearted meh... that's all you're getting, dammit.
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:42 PM EST
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There are much better sources or better yet multiple sources but to each their own....... its an echo chamber (i know they bring in the sacrificial other view sometimes). and they are not alone.


I do find them worse than most though.... msnbc possibly the exception
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:44 PM EST
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That's like saying "Whatever, you act like there's a better university than Prager U."
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:47 PM EST
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I went to Whatsamatta U... ThumpUp
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:56 PM EST
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I heard Whatsamatta U lost to Prager U in the Division IIX finals for fooseball.
MACS Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 2:59 PM EST
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Oh, look... Victor is being insulting again.

In other news... water is wet.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:02 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Oh, look... Victor is being insulting again.

In other news... water is wet.


Unless you are Prager U, or have some personal worth wrapped up in whether Prager U is a valid University, I don't see how I am being insulting.

Dear lord.... this from someone who says he has thick skin and wears a coat?
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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I have to say (this is not related to any other comments) I just don't have that much invested in any one source. Some are better, some are worse. I find OANN to be terrible as is MSNBC Both sort of grew out of dubious circumstance. They are ok to watch for a chuckle, and that doesn't mean everything is fake or wrong.... but it certainly shouldn't be your main source. I like to watch Springer but don't learn all that much until he explains it all at the end LOL
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:11 PM EST
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And Pragar U, Trump U and Whatsamadda U are all laughable. The Excellence in Broadcasting Building doesn't exist either. I know. I called information in the 80s looking for it so I could call or visit. There are Dem examples of the BS too.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And Pragar U, Trump U and Whatsamadda U are all laughable. The Excellence in Broadcasting Building doesn't exist either. I know. I called information in the 80s looking for it so I could call or visit. There are Dem examples of the BS too.


In all fairness to Trump U I think they actually had classes. I don't believe any of it was accredited or in any way informational, but I think they had classes.

Prager U and Whatsamadda U are essentially the same thing.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:26 PM EST
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I don't remember isn't Prager a right wing talk show host? Been a long time since I even thought about him or his fake university.

In fairness however, I don't discount everything there. He could have some good guests that get some things right..... im dubious up front but who knows some things could check out.... same for lib echo chambers

get out of the chamber and listen to others is the best bet


and again I am not directing this at anyone. I am unaware of any affiliations or ownership in any of these "places" by any members in here

victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't remember isn't Prager a right wing talk show host? Been a long time since I even thought about him or his fake university.

In fairness however, I don't discount everything there. He could have some good guests that get some things right..... im dubious up front but who knows some things could check out.... same for lib echo chambers

get out of the chamber and listen to others is the best bet


and again I am not directing this at anyone. I am unaware of any affiliations or ownership in any of these "places" by any members in here



Yeah, basically. Prager is some host that digests a topic into a 5 minute video and calls it Prager U.

As you can expect, when you digest a complex topic into 5 minutes, nuance is out the window and we're left with very little fact. These videos appear (I have not gone into a ton of them) to always have a political angle to them, to make it even less accurate.

I don't know why he calls his collection of videos "Prager University" and no one signs up to get a certificate from it or anything (not that I know of... hell, who knows, maybe a couple of our posters have received "you watched all our videos, congratulations you've graduated from Prager U!" diplomas). I'm assuming he calls it this to make himself feel important.
izonfire Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:36 PM EST
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Went to ICU for awhile.
Couldn't wait to get out...
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:36 PM EST
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The university thing is a common marketing thing.... there is probably a star trek university or something similar
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The university thing is a common marketing thing.... there is probably a star trek university or something similar


Without a graduate/PhD program he really should call it Prager College.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:43 PM EST
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Pigs in Space U..?? Huh
MACS Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:45 PM EST
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If you'd like to pretend you didn't create this thread merely to get me to argue with you (knowing that I watch OANN) then you're a damn liar. You know it. I know it. Anyone who frequents these boards knows it.

That said... carry on smartly.

Pitiful denial in... 3...2...1...
MACS Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:46 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Pigs in Space U..?? Huh


Would they be rivals with Angry Birds U?? Probably...
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:48 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
If you'd like to pretend you didn't create this thread merely to get me to argue with you (knowing that I watch OANN) then you're a damn liar. You know it. I know it. Anyone who frequents these boards knows it.

That said... carry on smartly.

Pitiful denial in... 3...2...1...


Oh I know you watch OANN. I've spent time pointing out their poor reporting to you in the past.

But if you think that I would have passed up creating a thread after that reporter's bizarre "I heart you dear leader" question whether you watched OANN or not, then you haven't been paying attention.

You getting all your news from OANN and Prager U was just icing on the cake.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:49 PM EST
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To lazy to look it up and I'm multitasking. Wasn't OANN created specifically (or maybe enhanced or endorsed) to trumpet trump? It will be interesting to see what they become next.

To be fair the way I view msnbc is an extension of the failed air america and a mechanism to support the dems. I don't view them as a news channel at all. NBC has some straight news coverage but I dont see much (admittedly I don't watch much) at msnbc. OANN is MSNBC
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:50 PM EST
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I was only thinking about MACS in everything I said because ... well hes damn dreamy
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
To lazy to look it up and I'm multitasking. Wasn't OANN created specifically (or maybe enhanced or endorsed) to trumpet trump? It will be interesting to see what they become next.

To be fair the way I view msnbc is an extension of the failed air america and a mechanism to support the dems. I don't view them as a news channel at all. NBC has some straight news coverage but I dont see much (admittedly I don't watch much) at msnbc. OANN is MSNBC


I don't know who started them.... my best understanding is they started online... like Facebook videos or something? Maybe Youtube? Somewhere along the line some cable service started carrying them?

I'll go look it up
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:52 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I was only thinking about MACS in everything I said because ... well hes damn dreamy


Every one of my posts is written with the intention of MACS reading them.

I only consider how he would react to them when I write them, no one else.
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#36 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:53 PM EST
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I'm probably conflating somethings but there was a time Trump was talking about starting his own network. Prolly not related though. I think they have a dubious origin though.
MACS Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:54 PM EST
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See... not even a minute or two to respond.

Huh... it's like you were just waiting. As I said, carry on... or whatever. BigGrin

Maybe somebody else is interested in an argument. I'm kinda hungry...
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:54 PM EST
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This is for macs


Macs dont care if Prager U is a real university and stuff because formal education is stupid and makes you liberal


j/k MACS I couldn't resist And I aint arguing with ya. You like them I don't. That settles that.
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#39 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:55 PM EST
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Ya, a reporter has never tossed a sitting President softballs before.... Mellow
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#40 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 3:56 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ya, a reporter has never tossed a sitting President's salad before.... Mellow


freak
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#41 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't know who started them.... my best understanding is they started online... like Facebook videos or something? Maybe Youtube? Somewhere along the line some cable service started carrying them?

I'll go look it up


So I think I was wrong. I must have thought they were an online news source at first because that's where I saw their videos. I looked it up.

Looks like they were founded in 2013 as a network (I guess they were carried by someone, not just videos on youtube)... founded by Herring, which owns one other network...innocuous lifestyle stuff, but founded in partnership with The Washington Times, which is apparently a crazy ass Moonie Christian rag.

The company has a mandate from Herring to put out pro-Trump stories, anti-Clinton stories and anti-abortion stories.... so I'm not sure I'd call them a "news network"
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#42 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
freak


how could they? You try tossing someone's salad when they're sitting.
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#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm probably conflating somethings but there was a time Trump was talking about starting his own network. Prolly not related though. I think they have a dubious origin though.


Interesting enough, wikipedia reports trump allies are looking into purchasing OANN....
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#44 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Interesting enough, wikipedia reports trump allies are looking into purchasing OANN....



you know the response to that one LOL
victor809 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
you know the response to that one LOL


Yeah I know. Same group that thinks OANN and Prager U is actually news will whine about Wikipedia.

Of course, that claim in Wikipedia was sourced. So here's the source (preemptively)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-allies-explore-buyout-of-conservative-news-channel-one-america-news-network-11578696767
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#46 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:36 PM EST
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I heard MACS has part ownership of OANN, and sits on the board of directors. He got the gig showing his Praqer U certificate and giving them a pack of hubba bubba. Grape I think. At least thats what I just put in to his wiki
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#47 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard MACS has part ownership of OANN, and sits on the board of directors. He got the gig showing his Praqer U certificate and giving them a pack of hubba bubba. Grape I think. At least thats what I just put in to his wiki


FAKE NEWS! it was Bazooka
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#48 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
This is for macs


Macs dont care if Prager U is a real university and stuff because formal education is stupid and makes you liberal


j/k MACS I couldn't resist And I aint arguing with ya. You like them I don't. That settles that.

tonygraz used to say Prager U doesn't have a football team.

and Trump U was not a school, it was a lead generating service for finance/lending business.
Always figured (but never checked) that DeVoss was involved.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 4:51 PM EST
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if ever we all agreed that sources of the reported news has bias, I'd still be quite surprised to ever read anything from any political side as bar-lowering as:

"Is it alarming that major media players, just to oppose you, are siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals, and Latin gangs and cartels and they work right here out of the White House with direct access to you and your team?"

it's the quote that is alarming. Is there not a con among us that would admit to raising an eyebrow at least?
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#50 Posted: Thu, Mar 19 2020, 5:03 PM EST
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That is scary and more so that not only are some ok with that, leadership is ok with that.

How does anyone regardless of political affiliation get so invested in one or two news outlets? (edit....no not a MACS Q...he he uses more sources like TASS ans INFOWARS I keed I keed)....
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