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Poll Question : Should We Stay at Home or Open for Business?
Choice Votes Statistics
Stay at home until virus threat is over 12 70 %
Open for business even if the virus is spreading 5 29 %
Total 17 100%

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Stay At Home or Open for Business?
delta1 Offline
#1 Posted:
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Trump is proposing to open up the US economy sometime soon: "within weeks...not months." He believes the social distancing protocol to slow the transmission of the virus is causing more harm to the country than the virus. In one week, when the original national 15 day social distancing order expires, there will be a review.

Trump says even if the public health officials advise continued social distancing measures, including closing non-essential businesses, he may decide to loosen the reins, perhaps limiting them to viral hotspots.

What do you think is the best course of action?
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Well not everyone has a month of food on hand.
USNGunner Offline
#3 Posted:
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I would say the states are handling this and that they should be the ones making the call. As to the .gov closing businesses, they really have no right to do so unless they invoke martial law. We're not Italy, we're a republic and as such pretty much have self determination. Recommend yes, but just pull a draconian shutdown? No.

And if you go down the list of what are essential and non-essential industries, unless you're running an ice cream stand in winter, there is pretty much a carve out for you. Illinois's proclamation is a joke.

Let the communities decide, this will sort itself out. Darwin was pretty much spot on. Those that are paying attention are taking the right actions, the rest will not regardless.
Dg west deptford Offline
#4 Posted:
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^ Applause at least get my kitchen cabinet manufacturer back to work as well as boro inspections so I can keep my cigar stash intact
opelmanta1900 Offline
#5 Posted:
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The effectiveness of battling this virus depends upon some people breaking the quarantine...

The purpose of the original quarantine is to buy time while we acquire necessary medical equipment and professionals...

Make no mistake, at some point this wolf must pass through the fold and a good many sheep will die... We're currently just impeding his walk through so as to keep the body count low and slow...
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Guess what, at some point the economy can’t be given a death sentence by closing it. There is a tipping point that some seem eager to roll past......you know, tragedy is always opportunity captured by fear.

Wake TF up and quit just seeing the bad orange man for a minute
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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will we do lasting damage to our health care system by opening back up?


When can Whistle expect to have his surgery?
Dg west deptford Offline
#8 Posted:
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^ "bad orange man" Shame on you
sounds racist against the orange citizenry. If they're illegal orange aliens though they better not have committed any felonies or send em back to Orangeena. I think I live in a sanctuary state so the illegal orange people may be safe in Jersey. Also referring to orange peoples as "Cheeto" or "cinnamon Hitler" or other such racial epitaphs is no longer socially acceptable in good company. Not talking
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Balance Al.....

Grown ups should find it
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted:
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Ignore the orange clown. He is all over the place trying to market himself.

It’s not about him. Ignore him. He’s more a problem than a help or solution.

He’s playing a Symantec’s game again.
MACS Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 02-26-2004
Posts: 79,774
This is a discussion of that very subject. Should we stay at home? What's the premise for the policies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw1kuZeC5pw
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Fauci for President?
fishinguitarman Offline
#13 Posted:
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TW buddy! You seem to be more obsessed with hating Trump than I was with Vicki 🤷‍♂️
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted:
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It’s not a matter of hate. Until this point he’s been a bumbling fool. But folks voted for him for their own reasons. It is what it is.

For the first time I see him as a dangerous bumbling fool. Good thing we have leadership at the state and local levels.
fiddler898 Offline
#15 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s not a matter of hate. Until this point he’s been a bumbling fool. But folks voted for him for their own reasons. It is what it is.

For the first time I see him as a dangerous bumbling fool. Good thing we have leadership at the state and local levels.


They - and Dr Fauci - are the only ones displaying leadership. Thank goodness for them all.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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I'm watching now and again find myself saying "please give the mic to Fauci and announce from now on the Doctor will conduct all updates."
Trump can even claim he found the amazing miracle doc if he likes, I don't really care, I just want the sales pitch to stop. This is far more serious than his reelection campaign.

Easter? Why not Passover?
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted:
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He passed over Passover?
fiddler898 Offline
#18 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm watching now and again find myself saying "please give the mic to Fauci and announce from now on the Doctor will conduct all updates."
Trump can even claim he found the amazing miracle doc if he likes, I don't really care, I just want the sales pitch to stop. This is far more serious than his reelection campaign.

Easter? Why not Passover?


Is Trump Pharaoh? or the 11th plague?
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted:
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fiddler898 wrote:
Is Trump Pharaoh? or the 11th plague?

Yes. The virus is the plague.
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted:
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fiddler898 wrote:
Is Trump Pharaoh? or the 11th plague?

I'd be OK if he's not Haman.

which reminds me, I failed to celebrate Purim here this year. My apologies to fans of The Prequel.

I wanted Brother Mattie B to explain why God is not mentioned once in the Book of Esther (he's the one that made me aware of it).
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted:
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anyway, poor Fauci, he has so much class. He protects every American citizen while not disparaging the POTUS, even though no one would question him if he did.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted:
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I can’t find any purim anywhere, to either.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted:
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TP either. Damn autocorrect.
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I can’t find any purim anywhere, to either.

are you looking in the sequel?
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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Nah. It’s usually in the soap aisle.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted:
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It’s funny to read don’t pay attention to Trump when I’m not....


And the people that keep saying it are fixated.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
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There is some truth there. It’s hard to ignore him.
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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because the media we consume, and ultimately we, are fixated on Trump...his background in TV trained him to manipulate the media by manufacturing crisis and then he goes into his WWE act...he has said this is all an act many many times...
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted:
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Manipulate the then blame them. It’s been his game for a long time. And we all buy in to it at times.
HockeyDad Offline
#30 Posted:
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Proposing to have the economy back up and running soon is a noble goal that many would like to see but not aware of any national 15 day social distancing order.

delta1 Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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it was called a "guideline"


https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted:
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I’d like to reach mars by Saturday.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted:
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And I of course am kidding.

Glad you are back HD. I’ve always appreciated your perspective.
Whistlebritches Offline
#34 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I’d like to reach mars by Saturday.



I think you'll have more luck with Uranus
CelticBomber Offline
#35 Posted:
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Need a 3rd option... Open bars in my area that allow me to smoke a cigar and enjoy a pint. Otherwise I say open everything. Imagine how easy it will be to find parking... everywhere!
delta1 Offline
#36 Posted:
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c'mon over to my man cave CB...got plenty of cigars and some good booze...



had to take some food over to my wife's friend, an older grandma at home babysitting three grandkids...

35 mile drive, each way, was so easy, almost seemed like early morning on a holiday...
USNGunner Offline
#37 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I think you'll have more luck with Uranus



Well hell yes. That's right off of Route 66. Piece of cake. Or should I say "fudge"? Think
HockeyDad Offline
#38 Posted:
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Posts: 46,130
Well if it’s just a guideline from Trump I could care less, but not much less.

I’m under a shelter in place order from my county.
I’m under a shelter in place order from the governor of California.
I’m under a work at home no travel order from my employer.
I’m under a no travel order from my clients.

Those I care about but have nothing to do with the orange one.
cacman Offline
#39 Posted:
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My mother & father-in-law said they haven't seen anything effect the economy, the struggle to buy food/basic necessities, and unemployment since the effects from Great Depression and the rations initiated during WWII. The last disease they saw affect so many people was polio. They are in their mid 80's.
USNGunner Offline
#40 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
My mother & father-in-law said they haven't seen anything effect the economy, the struggle to buy food/basic necessities, and unemployment since the effects from Great Depression and the rations initiated during WWII. The last disease they saw affect so many people was polio. They are in their mid 80's.


My grandmother lived through the depression. She always shopped and stocked up during sales. She had gone hungry, she was never going to again.

When she died, and my Grandpa was getting the house ready to move, we carried dry and canned goods from the upstairs for two days. No joke. Most of the upstairs was food storage. That Lady was good to go.

She would be greatly disappointed with most now. She would be proud of me though. ThumpUp
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted:
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We lack the discipline that generation had.

My grandma came to the Midwest in a covered wagon.

They didn’t have the knowledge we have. If they knew there was benefit to hunkering down for a few months they would have done it. They wouldn’t have tried it for a few days or a week then given up.

We can do this.
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted:
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my mother was born in 1920, grew up with three families in the apartment all supported by her father, the guy with a job. bad times, bad memories, good times, great memories, insecurity seeds planted deep, extended family full of love....

She turned 100 9 days ago. been living alone with some help from me for 15 years, gave up driving a year ago, but she fell a few weeks ago, spent a lot of time in bed, developed pneumonia, lost a chunk of her mental acuity, so we brought in live-in health care people as she has always declined to move to assisted living.

had to cancel the party we had planned at a restaurant.

So now she finally agrees she would be better served by social stimulation...book clubs, dining companions, mah jongg, yelling at Trump on the TV set, etc.

Only problem is if she does go now, she would be mostly restricted to an unfamiliar "apartment" one-half the size of her current living room, she'd not get to meet new people with whom to talk about the last century, she'd have 3 meals a day brought to her room to eat alone, and no visitors until this crap is over. She'd be more isolated and lonely than at home. They are pretty much locked down at all facilities now, and that makes sense, and she gets that. But she'd decompensate quickly.

For now, at least she has the live in person every day, I can visit, take her out though no longer for meals or to shops/malls, she can walk the halls of her condo building, go down to get the mail.
It actually costs more to have the 24/7 live-in than assisted living with 3 meals, house keeping, laundry etc etc. so at some point there will be no choice. Life really isn't fair.

But I can't just drop her off and possibly never see her again. It's no one's fault. But she and the rest of the living members of The Greatest Generation didn't deserve how they came in, and now how they go out.

She's staying home until it's safe to go somewhere where she will be safe. We're voting stay home until the virus threat is over, and it sucks.







USNGunner Offline
#43 Posted:
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Your a good man Frank. I'm glad your mother is still with us, I'm sorry to hear of her troubles.

She's got a good son, I'm sure she's proud, I'm definitely sure she's glad to see you. Good on ya mate. ThumpUp
Palama Offline
#44 Posted:
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USNGunner wrote:
Your a good man Frank. I'm glad your mother is still with us, I'm sorry to hear of her troubles.

She's got a good son, I'm sure she's proud, I'm definitely sure she's glad to see you. Good on ya mate. ThumpUp


+1

Well said!
CelticBomber Offline
#45 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
lWe lack the discipline that generation had.

My grandma came to the Midwest in a covered wagon.

They didn’t have the knowledge we have. If they knew there was benefit to hunkering down for a few months they would have done it. They wouldn’t have tried it for a few days or a week then given up.

We can do this.


This is because death was more common in general and a more in your face part of life in those days. These days death is an abstract to most people. So, people don't give it the same respect it deserves.
Krazeehorse Offline
#46 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
my mother was born in 1920, grew up with three families in the apartment all supported by her father, the guy with a job. bad times, bad memories, good times, great memories, insecurity seeds planted deep, extended family full of love....

She turned 100 9 days ago. been living alone with some help from me for 15 years, gave up driving a year ago, but she fell a few weeks ago, spent a lot of time in bed, developed pneumonia, lost a chunk of her mental acuity, so we brought in live-in health care people as she has always declined to move to assisted living.

had to cancel the party we had planned at a restaurant.

So now she finally agrees she would be better served by social stimulation...book clubs, dining companions, mah jongg, yelling at Trump on the TV set, etc.

Only problem is if she does go now, she would be mostly restricted to an unfamiliar "apartment" one-half the size of her current living room, she'd not get to meet new people with whom to talk about the last century, she'd have 3 meals a day brought to her room to eat alone, and no visitors until this crap is over. She'd be more isolated and lonely than at home. They are pretty much locked down at all facilities now, and that makes sense, and she gets that. But she'd decompensate quickly.

For now, at least she has the live in person every day, I can visit, take her out though no longer for meals or to shops/malls, she can walk the halls of her condo building, go down to get the mail.
It actually costs more to have the 24/7 live-in than assisted living with 3 meals, house keeping, laundry etc etc. so at some point there will be no choice. Life really isn't fair.

But I can't just drop her off and possibly never see her again. It's no one's fault. But she and the rest of the living members of The Greatest Generation didn't deserve how they came in, and now how they go out.

She's staying home until it's safe to go somewhere where she will be safe. We're voting stay home until the virus threat is over, and it sucks.








Good luck with your situation Frank. That story is sad and uplifting at the same time. I am going to share it with my wife and personal friends.
deadeyedick Offline
#47 Posted:
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Sorry to hear Frank. Just went through this situation with wife's mother the last two years and I know there are no easy choices. Glad to hear that she can still enjoy simple things and her son's visits. God bless her.
victor809 Offline
#48 Posted:
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CelticBomber wrote:
This is because death was more common in general and a more in your face part of life in those days. These days death is an abstract to most people. So, people don't give it the same respect it deserves.


Well, that and we have 7.8 BILLION people on the planet.

We could literally lose almost 7 billion people before I would consider our species close to possible tragedy.
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted:
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you have made a wise decision Frank...bless your mother, you, and your family, for the length of time you've shared and your future together...once the hurdles demanding isolation are behind us, you can revisit the other option...

my wife has a set of "adopted parents" ...they were former neighbors during her childhood, who enjoyed having her over to visit, play with their dogs, swim in their pool...they were unable to have their own children and developed bonds with three girls in the neighborhood...my wife visits them 3-4 times a year, after they moved to Seattle...and so do the other two girls...their relationship has lasted nearly 60 years, outliving her natural parents

the adopted parents are fiercely independent and both are in their 90's...they insisted on living in their home until just a few years ago, when a near fatal fall followed a series of injuries and mishaps...all three adopted daughters talked them into moving to an assisted living facility...

we believe the safety, medical care and community aspects at the senior facility, along with the professional and caring staff (that's important when making a decision: visit the facility unannounced to observe how the staff interacts with the tenants) have extended their lives in a meaningful way...they agree that it was the best decision...

stay safe, avoid the virus and be well...
Buckwheat Offline
#50 Posted:
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Still working as normally as we can from our office in sleepy little county in Kentucky. Our Portland, OR office was forced to close down. Most of my work this week has been preparing to work remotely. Thankfully, we're a small office with just 4 employees. Still a pain. At least no one is sick. Beer
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