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Historic 2 Trillion dollar Stimulus reached!
CelticBomber Offline
#1 Posted:
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Mitch McConnell announced this morning that a bipartisan stimulus bill has been agreed upon and will be voted on today. Can't wait to see what's in it!
Buckwheat Offline
#2 Posted:
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Most likely a bunch of pork. fog
RobertHively Offline
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"Now we'll all be drinkin' that free bubble up, and eatin' that rainbow stew."

-Merle Haggard
USNGunner Offline
#4 Posted:
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A quick overview from the "you should have been Infantry" site. Posted as found.

$100,000,000 to Nasa, because, who knows why.
$20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why the hell not
$300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts / because **** it
$300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing

$15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn't enough
$435,000,000 for mental health support / thats a lot of **** suicide hotlines
$30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed

$200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program
$300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the dems
$500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who the hell knows how we are going to use it

$720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs
$25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I **** you not it's on page 136

Still reading through this crap

$7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries
$35,000,000 to the JFK Center for performing Arts
$25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives
$3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA
$315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs

$95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development
$300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance
$300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg 147
$90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg 148
$13,000,000 to Howard University pg 121

9,000,000 Misc Senate Expenses pg 134
$100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg 162 This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat. $100,000,000 is chump change

$40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act. This sounds like it's direct payments for workers. Pg 164

$1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg 163
$25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg 165

$492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg 167

$526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg 168 (what are the odds that doesn't go unused)

Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress

$25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg 169
$3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg 172
$5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg 172
No voter ID to get a ballot, & anonymous “ballot harvesting” pg 650

$2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg 175
$5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg 175
$2,500,000 Office of Housing

$1,500,000,000 Tenant-Based Rental Assistance Office of Public and Indian Housing. 1,000,000,000 of which can be used as "additional administrative and other expenses". pg 176
$720,000,000 to the public housing fund pg 177

$100,000,000 for Community Block Grants for Native Americans pg 183
$250,000,000 for Housing Block Grants for Tribes pg 182

$130,000,000 for AIDS Housing pg 185
$20,000,000 of which goes to one time grantees whatever the hell that means pg 186

$15,000,000,000 for the Community Development Fund pg 188

Only $10,000,000 of which is set aside for infrastructure for fighting infectious disease pg 191

$5,000,000,000 in Homeless Assistance pg 193

$100,000,000,000 for Rental Assistance - pg 198

An additional $7,000,000 enforce the Fair Housing Act - 203

Paid Family Leave for Sickness is 2 paid work weeks pg 213

Emergency Family Leave
Now applies to all employers not just companies over 500 employees pg 208
Guarantees paid leave to employees who have an in-law who gets sick pg 209
Opens up leave for some you are in a "committed relationships with" pg 212

$1,000,000,000 for more Obamaphones!

This shows me that they don't really think this is a big deal. Business as usual. Use a crisis to rob us blind.

Still reading......

$227,000,000 for grants to States for youth
2 activities pg 80

$261,000,000 for grants to States for dislocated worker employment and training activities, including supportive services and needs-related payments; pg 80

$10,000,000 for Migrant and Seasonal
Farmworker programs...WTF??

$100,000,000 for ‘‘Job Corps’’,

$15,000,000 for ‘‘Program Administration’’,

$6,500,000, to the ‘‘Wage and Hour Division’’,

$30,000,000, to OSHA

$10,000,000 for Susan Harwood training grants
$1,300,000,000, for ‘‘Primary Health Care’’,
$75,000,000, for ‘‘Student Aid Administration’’,
$9,500,000,000, for ‘‘Higher Education’’ and more....
victor809 Offline
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I'm reading that the legislative text for this package has yet to be released.
I don't think you're reading the right thing.
Krazeehorse Offline
#6 Posted:
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Long read but relevant. From Harpers 1897.
https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give?fbclid=IwAR3OB1uo62txkoSe1qQaaBpHhtZDusxUJKqaipsLrFN1yCYMToQOHrZQNWA
USNGunner Offline
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Long read but relevant. From Harpers 1897.
https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give?fbclid=IwAR3OB1uo62txkoSe1qQaaBpHhtZDusxUJKqaipsLrFN1yCYMToQOHrZQNWA



A perfectly on point and timely article. Thanks for sharing that! ThumpUp
fishinguitarman Offline
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#5

Please enlighten us as to what the correct read is
clintCigar Offline
#9 Posted:
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Maybe China will take that off our debt and then pay us. LOL
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Long read but relevant. From Harpers 1897.
https://fee.org/resources/not-your-to-give?fbclid=IwAR3OB1uo62txkoSe1qQaaBpHhtZDusxUJKqaipsLrFN1yCYMToQOHrZQNWA


I've read that account many years ago. A good reminder. Thank you.
Gene363 Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Most likely a bunch of pork. fog


Certified 100%
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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slow cooked and pulled...

everybody ready to eat?
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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I heard there was $10,000,000 set aside for cigar smokers to provide enough for each of them to get through a 1 year lockdown...problem: specifies Gurkhas and Fighting C*cks only...p 999
Speyside Offline
#14 Posted:
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Maybe there will be something in there for the Dreamers Trump F***** over. Maybe there will be something in there to re fund Obama care since the Republicans have came up with no alternative. Maybe there will be something in there to buy PPE and vents Americans so desperately need.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Just watched a news conference on the bill. Republicans claim that the Bill includes $960 a week ($24 an hour) in unemployment benefits. They are hoping that it is a clerical error. Why would anyone making $7 to $23 a hour go back to work when you can get paid $24 a hour to sit home? Heck, even those making more may elect to sit home for $960 a week. If this was not a clerical error, then it was a direct attempt by the Democrats to slowdown or stall the recovery after the lockdown has ended.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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Businesses owned by lawmakers or the executive branch can not receive any benefits from this Bill. I guess that blows a hole in the latest leftist claim that Trump was going to reap millions if not billions from the stimulus.
Dg west deptford Offline
#17 Posted:
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As a self-employed individual I should put myself on unemployment insurance immediately. Anyone know how long you have to be paying to collect before getting fired? Cuz I already want to fire me and I already want to get fired. Win win win
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Businesses owned by lawmakers or the executive branch can not receive any benefits from this Bill. I guess that blows a hole in the latest leftist claim that Trump was going to reap millions if not billions from the stimulus.

is the "Trump will reap millions claim" available on any major news outlet?
I haven't even seen it anywhere, not even here before now, and this place is how I keep up with my liberal co-conspirators plans!

j/k, as you know.
bassman45 Offline
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Uh, not so fast.......
victor809 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
is the "Trump will reap millions claim" available on any major news outlet?
I haven't even seen it anywhere, not even here before now, and this place is how I keep up with my liberal co-conspirators plans!

j/k, as you know.


To be fair it was a claim a few days ago.
The original proposals from the republican senate was basically "pile of money which Trump and Mnuchin (I think that was the other person identified) would be able to distribute as they see fit"....

As expected, a number of dems had a problem with that and the accusation was lobbed that a lot of that pile would likely end up in trump family owned businesses.

That was why that clause was actually added.

Let me reiterate.
Our president is so untrustworthy with his current dealings with government money that we have to add a specific "you don't get to profit off this bailout" clause during a pandemic. Because without it there is every reason to believe he would attempt to. And his supporters want to focus on the fact that there were people upset about that issue.
DrafterX Offline
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And you base your opinion on what..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted:
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pretty sure "trump properties profiting off the presidency" isn't an opinion any longer
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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pretty sure they're gonna get to an agreement...Trump is insistent that something big happens to jolt the economy...and he's gonna torch anyone who gets in the way...why do you think his economic arm twister, Steve Mnuchin, has been living in the Halls of Congress the past week or so?

Trump's objective is not the health and well-being of American citizens...or even American business in general...


his primary objective for any decision is for November 2020: his re-election chances increase dramatically if the economy is in recovery and trending upward in September, October and November (the earlier the better)...doesn't matter if thousands of Americans have died or the American medical services system is in ruins...average peeps don't matter and rebuilding the medical services industry would be an economic opportunity...


all the noise, lies and contradictions Trump has spouted since the start of the pandemic doesn't matter...polls show that a good majority (55 -60%) of Americans approve of how he's handled this emergency...
HockeyDad Offline
#24 Posted:
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Trump should veto it.
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted:
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fluck the ventilators.
use direct deposit fo' my money!
Dg west deptford Offline
#26 Posted:
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Who knew? I prolly should've been sending my $ to the Kennedy center and PBS instead of wasting it on cigars.
dstieger Offline
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Well....McConnell got his unanimous vote. Wonder if he spiked Rand Paul and Mike Lee's coffee with the corona
delta1 Offline
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just saw some leaked reports of stuff in the Plan...wow...lotta wasteful crap, but if the idea was to drown the pandemic in money, let it flow...unanimous...and they said if they missed something tee up Stimulus Plan IV...


there lurks numerous opportunities for peeps, small businesses, and especially big business to gain a windfall on our collective dimes...so blind and distract the average American by bribing him with a $1.2 K, and grants and interest free loans for the little guys, while the big boys get a bite for $millions...


we're gonna be paying for this for years...and have just jeopardized our safety net...Social Security and Medicare...
Abrignac Offline
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And Melissa what’s her name, a D-list celeb with a case of severe, chronic take it to the grave TDS wants Trump to open his hotels and use them as hospital beds. What a nit wit.
DrafterX Offline
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Small business owners gain a windfall..?? My wife owns a nice hair salon and may be shut down tomorrow.. I'm already furloughed... do you think any gubment assistant will equal our normal wages..?? Huh
MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
fluck the ventilators.
use direct deposit fo' my money!


Don't need it. Don't want it. We have a defecit that needs to be lowered, not raised.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Trump should veto it.


+1 on this.

A clean bill only.
Speyside Offline
#33 Posted:
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Pork barrels on this one are obscene. Yes, Trump should veto this and be loud and clear about what he would sign. Only a bill that has just stimulus package in it.
deadeyedick Offline
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Trump or any other POTUS would never have the balls to veto this kind of pork at a time like this. His opponents would blame him for every death. Oh wait...........
victor809 Offline
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Have any of us actually seen what's in it?

And more importantly... how does one differentiate "pork" from "not pork" in a bill that's specifically designed to give people/businesses money?

Are we just defining pork as stuff for people/businesses we don't like? That seems arbitrary.

frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Don't need it. Don't want it. We have a defecit that needs to be lowered, not raised.

don't need don't want here as well...but no one will ever attempt to even off the deficit or cut into the debt.

so we voters basically alternate between what type of welfare we want to go deeper...for citizens or for corporations.
Oversimplification, yes. But not too far off base.


Anyhoo, unless I don't understand, I'm thinking I'm not getting a check anyway. We aren't earning our income via current employment so nothing has changed much for us financially.

was thinking of just not cashing if it came but one of our kids just bought a house, they are one mtg payment into it, and now both jobs are at risk, so we thought we'd give our money to them.

anxious times on several fronts
teedubbya Offline
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I heard the bill renames the Kennedy center the Reagan theater inside theTrump center.
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
Don't need it. Don't want it. We have a defecit that needs to be lowered, not raised.

When you get it,you will send it back, right?
teedubbya Offline
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Lol
deadeyedick Offline
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I don't know how it is worded but the news feeds just say $1200 to everybody (assume adult) under a cap of $99K and children at $500 and everybody else under a higher cap will get less. I assume they will use employment rolls?

The way I read what I hear I will also not get anything since I'm already on welfare sucking the SS.

And yes, I define pork to mean anything I don't think should be included because I'm paying for it.
MACS Offline
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Frankie-T... my son tends bar, teaches yoga, and is going to school for nursing.

He's gonna need the help.

Rfenst - We've already said if we get anything we're giving it to the kid. Not sure we will, or if it'll be reduced, as I haven't read the proposal/rules.
delta1 Offline
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the info I saw says the stimulus payments are only based on income levels, and do not exempt social security recipients...

adjusted gross income limits are $75,000/individual or $150,000/joint annual adjusted gross income from last year taxes filed (2018 or 2019)...

stipend is decreased for income higher than $75, 000, up to $99,000 at which point the stipend drops to zero, and from $150,000 up to $199,000 for couples, when the stipend is zero...

income is adjusted gross income reported in your last filing, from any source, including social security, employment, cap gains, pensions, etc
frankj1 Offline
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looks like my daughter is gonna get some money from us.
deadeyedick Offline
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Still getting nuttin and don't care. It should be going to those who really need it. Or is that not what it is for?
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted:
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such a shame that your income is so high that you don't need a stimulus and the govt. won't send you some money...


I'll send you something, ya one-percenter...
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
is the "Trump will reap millions claim" available on any major news outlet?
I haven't even seen it anywhere, not even here before now, and this place is how I keep up with my liberal co-conspirators plans!

j/k, as you know.


The comment was made by dozens of leftist posters on other boards I visit. Almost like they where repeating something that was fed to them.

David
frankj1 Offline
#47 Posted:
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it appears that many government types...potus, vp, senators, reps and their families and businesses...have been specifically designated as ineligible for funds or loans.
Krazeehorse Offline
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I see both sides of that too Frank. If you're a busboy at a Trump property (for example) and it goes under tough shiite.. That's collateral damage I guess. The idea of saving businesses is to save jobs. But in an attempt to keep things looking appropriate they may have screwed the pooch in some places Just MHO.
frankj1 Offline
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warning:
I am about to attempt partisan humor-

well, if you're a busboy at a Trump property, you're probably an illegal alien and not eligible for the $1,200 either.

also, if you're an employee or in a contract with a Trump business of any kind, you're already accustomed to not getting paid as agreed anyway.

weak, I know...

Krazee, I haven't read or heard enough to know, but aren't the restrictions singling out business loans to related owners' companies? Couldn't lower level employees still get the same compensation as other Americans?
teedubbya Offline
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Dont worry. Trump already indicated he’d ignore all oversight that was agreed to in a bipartisan way. He probably had already discussed this with Mitch prior to passage.
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