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hydroxychloroquine is back on!
Brewha Offline
#151 Posted:
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I can see him in my minds eye each morning as he sits on the toilet angrily tweeting while he squeezes out some more covfefe....
ZRX1200 Offline
#152 Posted:
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And wipes his CNN
Brewha Offline
#153 Posted:
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He would not know how.

He has Pence do it....
Brewha Offline
#154 Posted:
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With a Big Mac....
tailgater Offline
#155 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I can see him in my minds eye each morning as he sits on the toilet angrily tweeting while he squeezes out some more covfefe....



I bet you can see him in your, er, "mind's eye".
DrMaddVibe Offline
#156 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Not wishing for political solutions, just hoping lives were not lost unnecessarily due to bogus data.

Don't blame me, it wasn't me that had the responsible party on the air during the past couple of weeks toughing his data as the gospel..



Research in context

Evidence before this study


We searched MEDLINE (via PubMed) for articles published up to April 21, 2020, using the key words “novel coronavirus”, “2019-nCoV”, “COVID-19”, “SARS-CoV-2”, “therapy”, “hydroxychloroquine”, “chloroquine”, and “macrolide”. Moreover, we screened preprint servers, such as Medrxiv, for relevant articles and consulted the web pages of organisations such as the US National Institutes of Health and WHO. Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine (used with or without a macrolide) are widely advocated for treatment of COVID-19 based on in-vitro evidence of an antiviral effect against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Their use is based on small uncontrolled studies and in the absence of evidence from randomised controlled trials. Concerns have been raised that these drugs or their combination with macrolides could result in electrical instability and predispose patients to ventricular arrhythmias. Whether these drugs improve outcomes or are associated with harm in COVID-19 remains unknown.

Added value of this study

In the absence of reported randomised trials, there is an urgent need to evaluate real-world evidence related to outcomes with the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (used with or without macrolides) in COVID-19. Using an international, observational registry across six continents, we assessed 96 032 patients with COVID-19, of whom 14 888 were treated with hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, or their combination with a macrolide. After controlling for age, sex, race or ethnicity, underlying comorbidities, and disease severity at baseline, the use of all four regimens was associated with an increased hazard for de-novo ventricular arrythmia and death in hospital. This study provides real-world evidence on the use of these therapeutic regimens by including a large number of patients from across the world. Thus, to our knowledge, these findings provide the most comprehensive evidence of the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine (with or without a macrolide) for treatment of COVID-19.

Implications of all the available evidence

We found no evidence of benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine when used either alone or with a macrolide. Previous evidence was derived from either small anecdotal studies or inconclusive small randomised trials. Our study included a large number of patients across multiple geographic regions and provides the most robust real-world evidence to date on the usefulness of these treatment regimens. Although observational studies cannot fully account for unmeasured confounding factors, our findings suggest not only an absence of therapeutic benefit but also potential harm with the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine drug regimens (with or without a macrolide) in hospitalised patients with COVID-19.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
frankj1 Offline
#157 Posted:
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jjanecka wrote:
Exactly, Trump has been direct with every little tittleance of his daily activities. If he takes a šhit the American people know about it, typically in advance. This is a level of openess never seen in American politics and the fact that we even have this luxury to critique, praise or ridicule so quickly is quite an interesting thing.

hysterical.
tonygraz Offline
#158 Posted:
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We are now on the verge of running out of remdesivir to treat Covid. Can't the government do anything right ?
delta1 Offline
#159 Posted:
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so the VA study says that hydroxychloroquine increases the mortality rate among COVID19 patients....

but Lancet found flaws in another, larger study that had similar findings...

where does that leave us as far as the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19 patients?

Go ahead...take it...what do you have to lose?

anybody else noticed the Clorox Man has stopped taking it?
frankj1 Offline
#160 Posted:
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I don't believe he ever took it
DrMaddVibe Offline
#161 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
so the VA study says that hydroxychloroquine increases the mortality rate among COVID19 patients....

but Lancet found flaws in another, larger study that had similar findings...

where does that leave us as far as the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID19 patients?

Go ahead...take it...what do you have to lose?

anybody else noticed the Clorox Man has stopped taking it?



The Lancet has been scientifically redacted.
rfenst Offline
#162 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Lancet has been scientifically redacted.

Yup. I read it this morning.
tonygraz Offline
#163 Posted:
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Under pressure ?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#164 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Under pressure ?


Falsified studies...go figure.
delta1 Offline
#165 Posted:
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has the VA study been scientifically redacted?
Brewha Offline
#166 Posted:
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Big news guys - Hydroxychloroquine can stop hurricanes!

Cloud seeding- Just have the govmut buy it all up.....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#167 Posted:
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https://youtu.be/ZYgiCALEdpE

The lid peeling back
ZRX1200 Offline
#168 Posted:
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Funny thing, I remember when an inauguration could stop ice melting, recede the ocean and heal all racial divides.


#waitingformyapologyliars
delta1 Offline
#169 Posted:
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so ...we trust the French now?


has there been any recent studies that have shown hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug, helps in the treatment of COVID19?

I hope there is, and would like to see it...

we need some good news on the corona virus treatment front...
frankj1 Offline
#170 Posted:
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well, small sample I know, but it didn't kill Trump.
Though I doubt he really took it.
tonygraz Offline
#171 Posted:
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Somebody should have replaced it with love potion no. 9.
frankj1 Offline
#172 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Somebody should have replaced it with love potion no. 9.

The Searchers...


not even kidding, is anyone searching for Pence?
Seriously, been out of touch longer than my 100 year old mother was quarantined.
(she tested negative).
ZRX1200 Offline
#173 Posted:
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He was at church with me Sunday.

We prayed Vic’s gay away.......did it work?
frankj1 Offline
#174 Posted:
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check under your pillow...
ZRX1200 Offline
#175 Posted:
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It’s sticky
Speyside Offline
#176 Posted:
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Church of insanity?
tailgater Offline
#177 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
check under your pillow...


Those aren't pillows.
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#178 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:

has there been any recent studies that have shown hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug, helps in the treatment of COVID19?

I hope there is, and would like to see it...

we need some good news on the corona virus treatment front...



toad-vomit lozenges... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#179 Posted:
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how do we make toads vomit?

or do we eat toads, and then vomit and make that into a drug?

this is sooo confusing...
DrafterX Offline
#180 Posted:
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Sir Isaac Newton — famous for developing the three laws of motion and advancing calculus — apparently had a far-out idea for how to treat the plague, also called the black death: toad-vomit lozenges.

In addition to recommending a number of gemstone amulets against the plague, he gave detailed instructions on how to make the putrid toad-vomit treatment, according to two unpublished pages handwritten by Newton that are now on the auction block.

Newton describes in detail how to suspend a toad by its legs in a chimney for three days, until it vomits up "earth with various insects in it." This vomit must be caught on "a dish of yellow wax," he added.

After the toad dies, its body should be turned into powder, mixed with the vomit and a serum and "made into lozenges and worn about the affected area." This treatment would drive "away the contagion" and draw "out the poison," Newton wrote.

The toad treatment was best, but if someone was in a pinch, then amulets made out of the gemstones hyacinth, sapphire or amber could also serve as antidotes, he wrote.


Film at 11.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#181 Posted:
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ummmmm...I'll take the gemstones...

if not, I'll keep the virus, thank you...
DrafterX Offline
#182 Posted:
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I've got a fireplace and some frogs but i'm all out of yellow wax... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#183 Posted:
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toads are different from frogs, no?
DrafterX Offline
#184 Posted:
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true... true... i guess I gotta go find some toads now... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#185 Posted:
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Hey,

Looking at hydroxycloroquine was logical. It works in treating Lupus, though of course there is no cure. Continuing to glorify it is a mistake, it didn't work. In fact it acted exactly the same way when real studies were done with it for SARS. Lets just move on from it. Trump doesn't admit he was wrong and often blurred something out without having thought about it. I am much more interested where he is 2 weeks later on something he said that was stupid. For instance he has said he will issue an executive order on policing. Him saying we are honoring George Floyds memory was blurted out without thinking. If he does issue an executive order he will have done the right thing. I loathe him, but sometimes need to speak up for him.
delta1 Offline
#186 Posted:
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but his toadies keep trying to build his blurts up...
frankj1 Offline
#187 Posted:
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now i'm gonna vomit
frankj1 Offline
#188 Posted:
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I'm cured!
tonygraz Offline
#189 Posted:
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Drafter, there may be a wax ring under your toilet you can use - if you have inside plumbing.
DrafterX Offline
#190 Posted:
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I recently replaced the wax rings with rubber ones in fact... supposed to be better... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#191 Posted:
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I think I have one still in the box if you need it.
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#192 Posted:
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This came across my desk from the FDA today (EUA is Emergency Use Authorization)

On June 15, 2020, based on FDA’s continued review of the scientific evidence available for hydroxychloroquine sulfate (HCQ) and chloroquine phosphate (CQ) to treat COVID-19, FDA has determined that the statutory criteria for EUA as outlined in Section 564(c)(2) of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act are no longer met. Specifically, FDA has determined that CQ and HCQ are unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA. Additionally, in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the known and potential benefits of CQ and HCQ no longer outweigh the known and potential risks for the authorized use. This warrants revocation of the EUA for HCQ and CQ for the treatment of COVID-19.


I know not everyone understands how medical studies and peer reviewed journals operate and why some may be pulled because of extremely stringent data specifications while others might still be out there that do not self impose those standards. You have to recognize them for what they are and are not instead of the knee jerk political crap we tend to make everything in here.

It is looking more and more like this particular drug is not pat of the solution. Hopefully it turns around and becomes the miracle drug the politicians pushed and shows benefit but it is not promising at the moment. No politics, just facts.
delta1 Offline
#193 Posted:
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some people don't trust the FDA ...that memo is a hoax...


prolly the same people who will not take a vaccine once one is certified effective and safe by the FDA
teedubbya Offline
#194 Posted:
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For them to put this out is interesting given the political pressure to issue the EUA in the first place and presumably the pressure to keep it open.

The problem was interjecting politics in the first place.
teedubbya Offline
#195 Posted:
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FDA’s review of the available scientific evidence determined:

• The suggested dosing regimens for CQ and HCQ as detailed in the Fact Sheets are unlikely to
produce an antiviral effect.
• Earlier reports of decreased viral shedding with HCQ or CQ treatment have not been
consistently replicated and recent data from a randomized controlled trial assessing probability
of negative conversion showed no difference between HCQ and standard of care alone.
• Current U.S. treatment guidelines do not recommend the use of HCQ or CQ in hospitalized
patients with COVID-19 outside of a clinical trial, and the NIH guidelines now recommend
against such use outside of a clinical trial.
• Recent data from a large randomized controlled trial showed no evidence of benefit of HCQ
treatment in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 for mortality or other outcomes such as
hospital length of stay or need for mechanical ventilation.

The decision to revoke this EUA was made in consultation with the Biomedical Advanced Research and
Development Authority (BARDA) at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. BARDA had
originally requested the EUA covering CQ and HCQ. FDA and BARDA are part of a USG-interagency
effort to rapidly respond to this public health emergency and have been communicating as new
scientific data emerged.


By the way I have shared some of the treatment guidelines the above referenced but was accused of being political blah blah blah......


There are still ongoing trials on this and if they show promise it will be revisited. That's how it works. All the time. Not just with this drug. It's nothing new, unless it is just a newly interesting area to you. Then it may be new to you.
delta1 Offline
#196 Posted:
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seems the WH is no longer fully engaged in the pandemic and all its ancillary issues...

I read that Jared may've been the one really pushing for the HCQ, since he had connections to some pharmaceutical companies that wanted approval to start production...Larry Ellison of Oracle, a big donor and friend of Trump's was also on board the hydroxychloroquine train, as was Fox News' TV Dr Oz...
teedubbya Offline
#197 Posted:
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I dunno. I really to try to pay more attention to the science and the promise when it comes to the virus and treatment. I have to given what I do. We are more concerned about lives than politics.

This one was weird due to the political pressure on it. To me I would have loved nothing more than for it to be the solution. Still would love it regardless of who supports it. Yet when things suggested it may not be a certain slew of folks that have no clue what they are talking about blamed TDS etc. It is really odd.

To politicize crap like this is absurd and dangerous.
frankj1 Offline
#198 Posted:
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sides had been chosen from the beginning.
Some realized they continued to know very little.
Some decided to search for info to support what they wanted to be true.
Not exactly the scientific method, but it is reflective of the human way.

I'm no different in many other situations, but this was beyond politics and economy for me, I had no side to root for that would make me feel bright and warm and superior, was just hoping to keep up with the fast changing info while hoping those in power used it correctly.

I really have appreciated your brilliance, your patience in all of this, and mostly your struggle to fend off those trying to paint you into a political corner. What you do for a living is awesome, and to do it while going through your personal issues is off the charts amazing.

Thank you.
teedubbya Offline
#199 Posted:
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Frank you are too kind and I am a deek. I appreciate the kind words but they are not deserved. Thank you nonetheless.
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^ What he said.
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