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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 1:58 PM EST
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he said the FBI photochopped it in there... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 2:15 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So it was a noose, but Bubba Wallace wasn't targeted. Honest expaination. Move on.

Agree.
Burner02 Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 3:29 PM EST
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03:00P.M. - 06/24/20

Bubba Wallace 'relieved' rope in garage wasn't noose targeted at him, acknowledges 'embarrassment'

NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace tweeted out a statement on Wednesday about the supposed noose found in his garage, saying that he's "relieved" to know it wasn't meant for him, but embarrassed by the mixup after the FBI ended its hate crime investigation.

"It's been an emotional few days. First off, I want to say how relieved I am that the investigation revealed that this wasn't what we feared it was," he wrote. "I want to thank my team, NASCAR and the FBI for acting swiftly and treating this as a real threat.

"I think we'll gladly take a little embarrassment over what the alternatives could have been," Wallace continued. "Make no mistake, though some will try, this should not detract from the show of unity we had on Monday, and the progress we've made as a sport to be a more welcoming environment for all."

The FBI determined that the noose found in Wallace's garage at Talladega Superspeedway on Sunday had been there since at least last year, according to the bureau.

A statement issued by U.S. Attorney Jay E. Town on Tuesday said the investigation had concluded and that no federal crime had been committed. This came after the entire NASCAR family showed support for Wallace following the discovery of the rope, with all his fellow drivers and their crews standing behind him before the Geico 500 on Monday.

"The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019," the bureau said. "Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week."

Wallace -- the only full-time African-American NASCAR driver -- has made headlines in recent weeks for his vocal support of Black Lives Matter, following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis. He's also publicly supported NASCAR's banning of the Confederate flag from all association events.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime," NASCAR said in a release after the findings. "The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall."

NASCAR President Steve Phelps responded to allegations circulating on social media about the noose being left there as a publicity stunt, saying that Wallace’s team had nothing to do with it. He added that NASCAR will continue to investigate the matter.

Wallace also addressed the controversy with CNN's Don Lemon on Tuesday night and said he was convinced the rope was a "straight-up noose."

“I’ve been racing all of my life,” he said. “We've raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. So people that want to call it a garage pull and put out all the videos and photos of knots being as their evidence, go ahead, but from the evidence that we have – and I have – it’s a straight-up noose.”
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 3:44 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I do not believe this was a stunt based on what we know as of now.



What would you call it? Can't call it a "misunderstanding"! That pull loop was there for over a year! That wasn't targeting Bubba.

It is a stunt. Plain and simple.
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 3:45 PM EST
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So can we tear down a statue of Dale Earnhardt anyway?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 3:48 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So can we tear down a statue of Dale Earnhardt anyway?


Nope. The butthurt is strong with rednecks. They're still hurting their flag got took away. Now, if you go takin' their round and round and round idol...why the banjos might come out!
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 5:56 PM EST
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#COPENHAGENOUTRAGE
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 6:17 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Delta you know what images I don’t like?

A growing government.

may I add intentional concentration of power?
Mr. Jones Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 8:04 PM EST
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S.T.U.N.T. PLAIN AND SImPlE

LiKe DMV SaYS...

PubilciTY stunt alA sOrOS , bLm and AMtiFA
Mr. Jones Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 8:06 PM EST
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I bet bubba feels like a "used A.A. deeeeeek"...

I know I woULd if I werE Eeeemmmmmmmmmmmmm'

And he really is...
delta1 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 9:08 PM EST
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saw a photo of the garage door pull cord...definitely a noose, not like any loop I've tied on the end of a cord using a surgeons knot...

somebody musta thought it was funny...
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 10:22 PM EST
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I wonder how many white guys were hanged by a noose.. Think
ZRX1200 Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jun 24 2020, 10:55 PM EST
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Al....it was there last year and Bubba wasn’t in that stall last year.
Speyside Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 8:37 AM EST
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#banbanjos
opelmanta1900 Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:26 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
saw a photo of the garage door pull cord...definitely a noose, not like any loop I've tied on the end of a cord using a surgeons knot...

somebody musta thought it was funny...

Do you know what a bimini twist is?
BuckyB93 Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:34 AM EST
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It's one of many knots that remind people of a noose and therefore should be eradicated from the planet.
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:49 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do you know what a bimini twist is?



Is that when you forget to put down the top on your boat and drive down the interestate..?? Huh
Krazeehorse Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:51 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do you know what a bimini twist is?

That's the new offering from DQ isn't it?
Or is it an extra $100 in the Bahamas?
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#69 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:52 AM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
It's one of many knots that remind people of a noose and therefore should be eradicated from the planet.

True... Also, a knot you're not tying correctly on your first attempt... Takes practice... And one of the most effective ways to practice tying it? On a rope hanging from a ceiling so you can use your foot to pull down the loop...

If you practiced and practiced the bimini knot and then finally got it, you'd probably leave it... It's a good looking knot...

I'm not saying that's what this was nor have I seen anyone claiming that's what this was... But looking at the pics they showed and the size of the loop in the "noose" it sure looks like someone was either fixin to string up a Barbie doll, or someone was practicing their bimini...
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#70 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:53 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Is that when you forget to put down the top on your boat and drive down the interestate..?? Huh

That's a bimini fubar...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:53 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
That's the new offering from DQ isn't it?

That's a bimini blizzard...
BuckyB93 Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 11:43 AM EST
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I'm not a knot expert but if I was tying a knot to use as a pull handle it would be some form of a non-slip loop knot. Here's a couple easy ones to pick from. They are pretty strong and commonly used in fishing, boating, camping and stuff.

https://www.101knots.com/non-slip-kreh-loop-knot.html
https://www.101knots.com/surgeons-loop.html (note to Delta this is a surgeon's loop not a surgeon's knot. Why would you tie a knot if you wanted to make a loop?)

You wouldn't want the loop to cinch down on your hand when you pulled it like a true hangman's noose would. But it's hard to imagine that anyone who's into car racing might also be interested in the great outdoors and therefore would have no clue how to tie rather common knots/loops used in fishing and stuff.

delta1 wrote:
there have been enough instances where nooses (neese?) have been used to intimidate black and people of color, including some very recent ones, that we should not ignore them...but common sense and cooler heads should prevail...


Apparently common sense and cooler heads has a shelf life of about 24 hrs
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#73 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 12:03 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
True... Also, a knot you're not tying correctly on your first attempt... Takes practice... And one of the most effective ways to practice tying it? On a rope hanging from a ceiling so you can use your foot to pull down the loop...

If you practiced and practiced the bimini knot and then finally got it, you'd probably leave it... It's a good looking knot...

I'm not saying that's what this was nor have I seen anyone claiming that's what this was... But looking at the pics they showed and the size of the loop in the "noose" it sure looks like someone was either fixin to string up a Barbie doll, or someone was practicing their bimini...


Just saw a photo of it. It's pretty clearly a noose, and doesn't appear to be a bimini knot. I looked up a bimini knot and that has the excess coming out near the loop. A noose has the excess come out at the top of the wraps.

Who knows why a garage door pull was tied into a noose. Could have been because the person using it before liked nooses.. could have been to intimidate whoever was there before... could have been a joke.... could have been some KKK members practicing before heading out to lynch a black man a year ago. We won't really know why. But it looks like it's a noose.
BuckyB93 Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 12:26 PM EST
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Read post #72 Victor. Ya might learn something and call off your lynching party.
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#75 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 12:32 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Read post #72 Victor. Ya might learn something and call off your lynching party.


Bucky....
What you would choose to tie a pull handle into, and what a pull handle was tied into are two very different things.

Feel free to look up the pictures. It's not either of the things you posted links to. As I said before, the excess is coming out the top of the wraps. If you'd thought about my description before disagreeing with me, we wouldn't be in this position.

And "lynching party"? Where do I appear to be accusing anyone of anything? I used the phrase "who knows..." for chrissake
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#76 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 12:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Just saw a photo of it. It's pretty clearly a noose, and doesn't appear to be a bimini knot. I looked up a bimini knot and that has the excess coming out near the loop. A noose has the excess come out at the top of the wraps.

Who knows why a garage door pull was tied into a noose. Could have been because the person using it before liked nooses.. could have been to intimidate whoever was there before... could have been a joke.... could have been some KKK members practicing before heading out to lynch a black man a year ago. We won't really know why. But it looks like it's a noose.

The picture I saw was of someone looking down at a cell phone and kinda out of focus you could see the "noose" next to them... I still don't think it looks like a noose....

I just saw the photo you're talking about, Which is nascars official photo... It's a noose...

Possible someone somewhere along the line - maybe a year ago, maybe yesterday - saw the bimini twist and assumed some moron incorrectly tied a noose and kind-heartedly fixed it for them?
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#77 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 1:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bucky....
What you would choose to tie a pull handle into, and what a pull handle was tied into are two very different things.

Feel free to look up the pictures. It's not either of the things you posted links to. As I said before, the excess is coming out the top of the wraps. If you'd thought about my description before disagreeing with me, we wouldn't be in this position.

And "lynching party"? Where do I appear to be accusing anyone of anything? I used the phrase "who knows..." for chrissake


https://www.101knots.com/surgeons-loop.html The tag end extends out the top.

Or maybe it was a homemade knot that someone taught him, or maybe it was a common knot that he screwed up. Either way it's been there for at least a year and apparently didn't slip or tighten from pulling on it (I'm sure the rope handle has been used at least once since the tying of the knot).

Critical, independent, and unbiased thinking is not your strong suit is it? It's just weird that such an educated individual can get stuck in such a rut that you're unable to entertain alternate solutions. They just get in your way of spinning your conspiracy theories.
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#78 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 1:36 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
https://www.101knots.com/surgeons-loop.html The tag end extends out the top.

Or maybe it was a homemade knot that someone taught him, or maybe it was a common knot that he screwed up. Either way it's been there for at least a year and apparently didn't slip or tighten from pulling on it (I'm sure the rope handle has been used at least once since the tying of the knot).

Critical, independent, and unbiased thinking is not your strong suit is it? It's just weird that such an educated individual can get stuck in such a rut that you're unable to entertain alternate solutions. They just get in your way of spinning your conspiracy theories.


Dude.... that looks nothing like a noose, and nothing like the photo.

You're trying to criticize my critical thinking when you've only been trying vainly to keep pushing examples which simply don't match real photos. Now you're trying to explain it as some made up "homemade" knot?

You know how to pull on a noose without having it slip right? You pull on the side that runs straight up the line. It isn't difficult.

And where have I spun any theory at all as to why it's there?

I think it's interesting... speaking of people getting into a "rut". You've attributed so much to my statement that "it's a noose".... that all logic and reason has left you.
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#79 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 1:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bucky....
What you would choose to tie a pull handle into, and what a pull handle was tied into are two very different things.

Feel free to look up the pictures. It's not either of the things you posted links to. As I said before, the excess is coming out the top of the wraps. If you'd thought about my description before disagreeing with me, we wouldn't be in this position.

And "lynching party"? Where do I appear to be accusing anyone of anything? I used the phrase "who knows..." for chrissake


"Who knows why a garage door pull was tied into a noose. Could have been because the person using it before liked nooses.. could have been to intimidate whoever was there before... could have been a joke.... could have been some KKK members practicing before heading out to lynch a black man a year ago. We won't really know why. But it looks like it's a noose."

Yeah, these are totally neutral and not accusatory or inflammatory statements in any way aren't they?
Krazeehorse Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 1:41 PM EST
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Might be a vagina knot put there to taunt Janet Guthrie.
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#81 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 1:42 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
"Who knows why a garage door pull was tied into a noose. Could have been because the person using it before liked nooses.. could have been to intimidate whoever was there before... could have been a joke.... could have been some KKK members practicing before heading out to lynch a black man a year ago. We won't really know why. But it looks like it's a noose."

Yeah, these are totally neutral and not accusatory or inflammatory statements in any way aren't they?


did you miss the "could have been because the person before liked nooses"?

Dude.... this is like "weird" all over again. You're determined to only read things I type in the way you want to read them.
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#82 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 2:23 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I'm not a knot expert but if I was tying a knot to use as a pull handle it would be some form of a non-slip loop knot. Here's a couple easy ones to pick from. They are pretty strong and commonly used in fishing, boating, camping and stuff.

https://www.101knots.com/non-slip-kreh-loop-knot.html
https://www.101knots.com/surgeons-loop.html (note to Delta this is a surgeon's loop not a surgeon's knot. Why would you tie a knot if you wanted to make a loop?)

You wouldn't want the loop to cinch down on your hand when you pulled it like a true hangman's noose would. But it's hard to imagine that anyone who's into car racing might also be interested in the great outdoors and therefore would have no clue how to tie rather common knots/loops used in fishing and stuff.



Apparently common sense and cooler heads has a shelf life of about 24 hrs


not being argumentative...we may both be right in this instance...the KNOT used to secure the loop is a ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKmkdLA70AE

opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do you know what a bimini twist is?



the photo of the noose in Wallace's garage is definitely not a bimini twist...it doesn't have the necessary number of twists to be effective and the tag end is at the wrong end of the twists...it is really a PITA knot that I don't have the patience for using...
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#83 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:28 PM EST
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He is now the #1 Race card driver in NASCAR!
ZRX1200 Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:29 PM EST
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He put out a good statement after the bad theater on Don Lemon’s “show”......
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#85 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:30 PM EST
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maybe I heard/read wrong info, but I think it's been absolutely determined to be a noose without any doubt, a hangman's noose.

I also think it's been determined to have been there since as long ago as October 2019, or 8 months at the most. Possibly less.

Evidently that garage, of the over 1,600 run by NASCAR, was the only one that had a pull fashioned as an actual noose. There were 10 other pull loops total in those 1,600 plus garages, but just this one noose.

So it being common is not remotely in play.

I may be wrong again, but it certainly seems it was not aimed at Wallace. It also appears that some NASCAR people had to have seen it prior to his team moving in.

It is a symbol of hate, similar to a swastika, even though neither originated as symbols of which they are now equated.But both have been equated with filth for many decades now, it's not
a new trend.

When a kid draws one or makes one of these in a public place, the kid does not yet know the deal, but I feel when a grown up draws a swastika or makes a noose and leaves it to be discovered later, he or she knows the deal.

So, no. Pretty impossible that Wallace was a specifically intended target. But yes. Probably done quietly as a cowardly act of racial hatred.
By an adult,
To be discovered later.

And that is also an issue, even if the direct connection to Wallace is not.

I wonder how many in NASCAR had seen it before a few days ago?
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#86 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:37 PM EST
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I guess we'd have to find out how long the door had been closed and when it was opened... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:39 PM EST
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I heard the team Trump hired to prove Obama wasn't born here has some extra time.
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#88 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:47 PM EST
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I like NASCAR’s reaction to the whole issue. They discovered a noose and were outraged. They reported it to authorities and expressed their outrage to the public. They showed a huge show of support and unity to the one full time black driver at the top level. He did well in the race and nobody wrecked him. They then immediately produced verifiable evidence that it was not a noose and had been there for months and could not be a hate crime.

Now the crisis has been averted and we now know there is a black driver in NASCAR which just shows how progressive they are. It’s really a great day all around.
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#89 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 4:49 PM EST
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Is there gonna be an auction for the noose..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 6:19 PM EST
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“In addition, NASCAR will also require members of the industry to complete sensitivity and unconscious bias training.”
delta1 Offline
#91 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 6:50 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I like NASCAR’s reaction to the whole issue. They discovered a noose and were outraged. They reported it to authorities and expressed their outrage to the public. They showed a huge show of support and unity to the one full time black driver at the top level. He did well in the race and nobody wrecked him. They then immediately produced verifiable evidence that it was not a noose and had been there for months and could not be a hate crime.

Now the crisis has been averted and we now know there is a black driver in NASCAR which just shows how progressive they are. It’s really a great day all around.



not so fast kemosabe...there should be at least 5 black drivers in NASCAR (of 50 full and part time drivers), to have proportionate representation of the American population...this is a model case of systemic racism
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#92 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 6:54 PM EST
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I use Bimini knots when I tie my 4lb fly-fishing leaders onto my green float casting line...

I learned it when I was 12...took some time...
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#93 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 7:11 PM EST
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I guess I was going on pictures of the door rope that were presented prior to earlier today - photo's and vids that have been circulating of the same or similar NASCAR garages from archived footage like these.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/bubba-wallace-response-fbi-hate-crime-investigation/index.html
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nascar/news/bubba-wallace-noose-garage-fbi-nascar-hate-crime/14b1apmtuk00f1ohtkixnq8grh

I didn't realize until just recently that they produced a new picture sometime earlier this afternoon.
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#94 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 7:11 PM EST
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One time I was at Troegs Brewery with my buddy John getting ready to watch nascar when this dumpster diver dude tried to stare us down for some reason. I kept calm and talked my buddy out of stringing him up using a rope Bimini knot. We joked about it for years but we’ve unfortunately lost track of each other. I often wonder what he is up to now days?
Mr. Jones Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 7:56 PM EST
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Liar....

Troegs brewery has ZERO TV's and Bolton would never hang with ur sorry azzzzz
You 👴🤡
BuckyB93 Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 7:57 PM EST
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In times like these, there sure seems to be a lot of misinformation/disinformation or waffling going on in the news today.

- Masks are not necessary for everyday daily life, they are only necessary for heath care providers.
- Well... masks are necessary and recommended for everyday life. In fact we are now requiring it or face a potential fine. Anything will work from a full body hazmat suit to strapping on grandmas britches to your face with a rubber band. Anything is better than nothing.
- Well actually masks should have three layers: an inner layer that absorbs, a middle layer that acts as a filter, and an outer layer made from a non-absorbent material like polyester.

- COVID is transferable from anyone to anyone so assume everyone is a threat of transmitting it through casual everyday interaction except if you're at Walmart. Open air environments are still critically dangerous so nobody can go to the beaches or hiking trails.
- Well... actually it seems that if you are asymptomatic or don't have it, it doesn't really get transmitted from those folks but we're still going to quarantine all the old and high risk folks together so they can get the proper care and get all better. We'll strap them to intubators - (****, they are all dying)

- Crowds greater than 10 are not allowed and high risk for COVID spreading. 9 is OK. 10 is borderline as long as you stay 6 feet away from each other. 11 is right out. We can fine you if it's greater than 10 and you also should update your will with the following exceptions
- Crowds greater than 10 are OK if you are protesting cops.
- Crowds greater than 10 are OK if you are attending a funeral of a black dude killed by a cop.
- Crowds greater than 10 are OK if you take over and set up a commune within a section of a city.
- Crowds greater than 10 are OK if you are attending any political rallies.

- We found a noose in Bubba's garage.
- It's not a noose, it's a door puller downer rope with a hand loop tied to the end. Nearly all NASCAR garages have them and have had them for years.
- Nope... definitely a noose, here's a picture of it

This stuff is all seemingly dynamic depending on the day that it's reported but nobody seems to know the real story. Maybe if we had some sort of government organization that could sift through it all and feed us the real news then all of this stuff wouldn't be so confusing.
rfenst Offline
#97 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 8:10 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
... This stuff is all seemingly dynamic depending on the day that it's reported but nobody seems to know the real story. Maybe if we had some sort of government organization that could sift through it all and feed us the real news then all of this stuff wouldn't be so confusing.

You mean like the CDC or NIH?
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#98 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 8:47 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Liar....

Troegs brewery has ZERO TV's and Bolton would never hang with ur sorry azzzzz
You 👴🤡


We were watching on our phones. Government sat phones.
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#99 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:00 PM EST
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Bucky, the news has an agenda. It's not really political in a sense. The agenda is to make money. Sizzle sells, truth doesn't. Here is the truth as I see it. I know it has personal bias.

We still don't know enough about this bitch to beat it. We eventually will know enough to beat it. Public opinion sees this as a medical issue which it is. Public opinion does not know it is a scientific issue which it is. A lot of petty **** are making this political. It isn't. We are making progress, you need a lot of progress with this bitch to reach an answer. One group sees it as a health issue. One group sees it as an economic issue. In reality it is both.

Wear a mask, its the law. Don't wear a mask, it violates your rights. Wear a mask it, you are violating my rights. How about please wear a mask, it is one of the few things we can do that seems to work.

Social distancing sucks, it isn't the normal human condition. Same basic logic as the last paragraph.

Millions of lives have been destroyed, far more from economics than health issues. Yet what does that really tell us? We are concentrating on deaths. Should we be? What are the economic consequences based solely on the bitch? What is the major health issue? All of the above, my best answer is I don't know. I do have strong opinions, but lets not go there.

What to do? What to do? No real answer yet is there? I think there is. The best we can. Yes, I know I am addressing some of what you spoke of and not all. When someone is damaged I don't see politics, I don't see skin color, I see a human being.
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#100 Posted: Thu, Jun 25 2020, 9:10 PM EST
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#96 it’s really not confusing at all in terms of the virus. Only if you want it to be.

In terms of the virus all of those examples of large crowds are not ok. The virus doesn’t care about the reason to gather. Politically maybe some say it is or isn’t ok but not the medical piece, it’s constant. Many are conflating politics with medicine. The politics are bizarre and stupid. The medicine is much more defined than that. It’s not perfect though, and we are still learning. If you really want or expect precision on distance of travel etc otherwise will reject everything so be it. But that’s just not how it works. Oversimplified think about the concept of average. It’s simply not precise. Things will evolve and if you consider that weakness or being wrong so be it.

Masks help a lot. They are not perfect but there really isn’t a legitimate medical debate about them. More and more data supports their use. I won’t bother getting in the weeds because it’s a waste of time. Don’t believe it..... ok not my job to prove it. Knock yourself out (not specifically talking to Bucky here or anywhere in this whole post where I say you) but you are not informed and hard to take seriously. I’ll listen to and consider most arguments but at some point it’s not worth listening to or arguing with someone that thinks the world is flat. Just move on.

As for one mistake made.... the original downplay of masks for the public. I understand the rationale of trying not to make the shortage of ppe worse but it gave folks something to grab on to regarding no need for them. Many folks will grab on to any reason to rationalize irrational thought. Like if it’s not as effective as n95 it’s not effective at all. While I may understand the original rationale I don’t agree with it. I think it was damaging. Some folks really believe masks are worthless as a result and will never be convinced regardless of the rapidly growing evidence. Think it’s a freedom issue? Ok that’s politics again. You want to be free to contract or spread as you see fit. Efficacy isn’t political. From a purely medical perspective consistent throughout the world wear the mask.

If a person wants to all they need to learn is out there (on the virus sans politics). It really isn’t that complicated (the public health peace, the science is). The politics are and they are dumb. It’s a choice to be confused or not to be.
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