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Plowboy221 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 8:43 PM EST
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Hey while everyone is on there high horse about racism, take a look at the slums out west that are Indian reservations. I see these first hand when I’m out in Wyoming and such, it truly is depressing that someone has to live this way.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 9:07 PM EST
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true, our history of oppression and exploitation of the indigenous people is shameful...

just finished the book :

Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI, by David Gann

tells the story of the Osage tribe in Oklahoma in the 1920's...oil was discovered and the tribe became some of the wealthiest people on earth, until big oil companies and assorted white thieves moved in to "help them"...more than 20 Osage members who owned headrights to the wells were shot, poisoned or otherwise murdered
Mcdanielsamuel Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 9:23 PM EST
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Pawhuska, OK is a wonderful little town and in the heart of Osage Nation. The Osage are also one of few of the only tribe that actually owns there land outright. I listened to an Osage historian talk of how the Osage would run out of gas in their new Cadillac, assume that it was broken, leave it on the side of the road and buy a new one. While other white folks would swindle them by taking the old car and selling a new one. That put how wealthy they were into perspective and how much they were getting robbed.
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 9:40 PM EST
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The reign of terror was ended when an honest and smart former Texas Ranger was assigned by J.Edgar, head of the new FBI, to investigate the killings. He took down the mastermind of the scheme to kill and swindle the Osage, the town's most influential citizen, who bought out local lawmen and private investigators who were hired by the Indians.
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 9:53 PM EST
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Delta and Plowboy....

When I declare ...and I make declarations about the
FBI BEING THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION
ON THE EARTH..

eVERYoNE HERE LAuGHS AT ME...

IT has been going on since the inception of the FBI...

NOW...TO GIVE THEM PROPS...do some of them really protect us and kill the bad guys?

Hell yes...but they have several/ multiple divisions within the FBI...SOME GOOD ...SOME W.O.R.S.E. THAN CRIMINALS..
WORSE THAN MAFIA...WORSE THAN anything you as a
SHEEPLE U.S. CITIZEN CAN FATHOM...

I HAVE WITNESSED AND LIVED THROUGH THEIR WRATH...

I TRUST NO ONE IN THE FBI...

ESPECIALLY THE SPECIAL SURVEILLANCE GROUP DIVISION
which is filled with criminals, sociopaths and pyscopaths...

All with carte blanche badges and guns with total IMmUniTY to break any and all federal laws...and to outright steal anything they can lay their sick mits onto...
HockeyDad Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 10:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The reign of terror was ended when an honest and smart former Texas Ranger was assigned by J.Edgar, head of the new FBI, to investigate the killings. He took down the mastermind of the scheme to kill and swindle the Osage, the town's most influential citizen, who bought out local lawmen and private investigators who were hired by the Indians.


Walker, Texas Ranger
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 10:36 PM EST
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Posts: 44,211
delta1 wrote:
true, our history of oppression and exploitation of the indigenous people is shameful...

just finished the book :

Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI, by David Gann

tells the story of the Osage tribe in Oklahoma in the 1920's...oil was discovered and the tribe became some of the wealthiest people on earth, until big oil companies and assorted white thieves moved in to "help them"...more than 20 Osage members who owned headrights to the wells were shot, poisoned or otherwise murdered

great book
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 11:15 PM EST
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I work with American Indians and Alaska Natives nationally trying to improve their quality of health care. Covid is hitting them hard. We put together a daily count of cases, hospitalizations, deaths, etc compared to resources in the area such as ventilators and number of hospital beds and risk factors for the area. One of their risk factors is lack of running water. Try washing your hands without it.


ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jun 22 2020, 11:22 PM EST
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How do you socially distance in a tepee?
Krazeehorse Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:04 AM EST
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I am only assuming here because I don't have first hand knowledge but they are living that way because they WANT to live that way. The Amish seem to do a good job of maintaining a lifestyle rooted in the past yet very capably merging it with our English world. Perhaps native Americans can learn from them.....if they want to.
tonygraz Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:04 AM EST
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Build a bigger tepee.
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:31 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
I am only assuming here because I don't have first hand knowledge but they are living that way because they WANT to live that way. The Amish seem to do a good job of maintaining a lifestyle rooted in the past yet very capably merging it with our English world. Perhaps native Americans can learn from them.....if they want to.

I guarantee you they don't want to live the way they do. They just want to live in groups and the way they did before white people started messing up their world, taking their land and then putting them on reservations.
Krazeehorse Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 2:23 PM EST
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I said I don't know. So please tell me what it is specifically being done that prevents them from doing that?
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 3:00 PM EST
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There are some free cultural competency courses online at Tulane university if you’d like to really learn more.
Krazeehorse Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 5:38 PM EST
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I can but I guess I thought someone could just give me the cliffs notes. What does "they want to live in groups" mean? And what is preventing them from doing that?
cacman Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:11 PM EST
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It's the Native American's fault for living on our land before we got here. Sarcasm
gummy jones Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:18 PM EST
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If only we would have just annihilated them like other peoples did when settling land we wouldn't have this problem

But then we wouldn't have as many sweet casinos

Life is full of tricky situations

Adulting is hard
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:25 PM EST
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Should have done the same with the confederacy.
gummy jones Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:47 PM EST
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Other nations would have
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:47 PM EST
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OhMyGod


you guys!!! now we got no chance of USNGunner coming back!!!
gummy jones Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 6:56 PM EST
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I didn't know he left
delta1 Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 7:07 PM EST
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http://www.cigarbid.com/...s/662228/In-These-Times


see post #25...he got torqued...picked up his marbles...and scrammed...

I miss my noob...
MACS Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 7:08 PM EST
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Whatever... this whole "race" issue is ridiculous. We're all fvcking human. Quit the stupidity.
Palama Online
#24 Posted: Tue, Jun 23 2020, 10:37 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/662228/In-These-Times


see post #25...he got torqued...picked up his marbles...and scrammed...

I miss my noob...


After reading the prior posts, not sure I understand why he got so mad. Vince seems like a guy that can roll with the punches and disregard stuff he didn’t agree with. I mean, heck, he retired from the Navy, I’m sure he’s seen a lotta chit in his time.

Or am I missing someone? Think
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