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HockeyDad Offline
#101 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
been hearing, at least locally, that the testing of protesters is showing very low infection rates, credit going to the fact that a far higher percentage of protesters wore masks than regular citizens in FL, TX, etc.


Every video on the Riot Channel every night showed everyone wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart. Weird thing is this spike in cases is happening in thirty states and now it’s all young people testing positive.

Fortunately the protesters, rioters, and looters have been very forthcoming about getting tested and providing details for contact tracing.

Little Sally’s birthday party down the street was a whole different deal though.
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#102 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
And the final results are in for today!

First off it was a tremendous day for America! 47,341 infections! That's a USA record and almost reaches Brazil's one day record! Great job!

The real MVP of the night was Florida....at #1 from noon on there was no catching them they came out strong and made a statement no other state was able to come close to with 8,942 cases.

In second place.... California! Coming around the final leg and beating Texas by a single infected children's birthday party! 5,619 cases... Really putting out the effort today California.

Third place goes to steady Texas.... They were in the race the whole time but couldn't catch Florida and couldn't find of California at the end with 5,614. I heard that a dude named benja didn't sneeze on his neighbor's plate at the BBQ and ruined it for everyone.

Fourth place was AZ... They made a strong showing early today, were in the lead before noon... But never kept it up.

And fifth place are the losers in Georgia. Again... Screw them we don't like them anyway.



the Eyes of Texas were upon me and I blew it. I went back to Home Depot today to do penance but they're now enforcing masks. And they closed down the dance halls.
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#103 Posted:
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Hell Victor, 47k in a day Isn't even close to what we will accomplish in the future. Our next goal should be 100k in a day. Go big or go home. Make America Great Again has multiple levels of meaning you Dipchit.
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#104 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Every video on the Riot Channel every night showed everyone wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart. Weird thing is this spike in cases is happening in thirty states and now it’s all young people testing positive.

Fortunately the protesters, rioters, and looters have been very forthcoming about getting tested and providing details for contact tracing.

Little Sally’s birthday party down the street was a whole different deal though.

turns out Gov. Baker mistakenly doubled the actual positive test results of protesters in MA...and that original incorrect number would be a good sign for most states.

Instead of two dot something% it was really one dot something %.
Masks are still being credited.

maybe open bars and crowded beaches account for the rising number of younger aged positives
in states that are reversing policy and finally acting like mature people?
Politically motivated young adults may have behaved more responsibly than their peers on booty call.
tailgater Offline
#105 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
so maybe dark humor? you know that you don't really take this ugly irony as dancing on graves, right?

the states that are out of control now pretty much looked at us MASSholes as frightened targets of fake news and ignored the reality that we were acknowledging, experiencing and sacrificing to control...with a severe penalty to swallow with the antidote.

But we may have been the stronger breed, at least if we take inventory at this point, subject to change as this virus ain't a quitter.

sacrifice was seen as weakness and relinquishing of rights, similar to the laughter at shelter in place from the Marathon Bombings...just more chicken liberals. They seriously regret that now and have very possibly put us all in worse danger than ever due to a cavalier disregard for the long term medical stresses that are not as simple as age and percentage of deaths.

Can't speak for Benja, but the other two of three aren't even liberals. And plenty of conservatives think the states being parodied have been like uh idiot from day one. Not sure how this charge keeps this apolitical.


But is IS dancing on the graves. Frank, it's not just a discount cigar auction forum, it's the media in general, and especially the social media. It's disgusting how giddy the sheep are.

Funny that you call it "sacrifice".
The government is flexing her muscle and implementing draconian lock down measures. Worst in my lifetime. In yours. And you claim to be about freedom. But you're willing to accept it. Not because it will work. Because you're told it might work.
And the rules are without logic. Without real science. And the industries that are open are not the safest or the most essential. They're simply the ones that offer convenience to calm the masses.
And don't forget the $600 weekly hush money to those displaced.

I would laugh, but it's frightening. Not the government over reach. But the willingness to embrace it.

No. The only thing being sacrificed is logic and freedom.

And this isn't a shelter in place with a goal. It's a shelter in place to give the impression of a plan.
If you can't see that difference then we need to have a beer so I can explain it.

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#106 Posted:
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we see different realities, but a beer sounds real good.
Not too hoppy though, unless we are eating a few dozen steamers. (not Cleveland)
HockeyDad Offline
#107 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
turns out Gov. Baker mistakenly doubled the actual positive test results of protesters in MA...and that original incorrect number would be a good sign for most states.

Instead of two dot something% it was really one dot something %.
Masks are still being credited.

maybe open bars and crowded beaches account for the rising number of younger aged positives
in states that are reversing policy and finally acting like mature people?
Politically motivated young adults may have behaved more responsibly than their peers on booty call.



With the apparent tremendous success with masks at the protests it would appear that we should be able to open everything up and as long as 100% wear masks this virus should be eliminated in three weeks.

Weird thing is where I’m at we don’t have open bars and crowded beaches but have numbers creeping up.
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#108 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
With the apparent tremendous success with masks at the protests it would appear that we should be able to open everything up and as long as 100% wear masks this virus should be eliminated in three weeks.

Weird thing is where I’m at we don’t have open bars and crowded beaches but have numbers creeping up.

masks, and the protests were outdoors. And the marchers were, by definition, moving. All 3 factors having been identified early on as safer ways to get out of the house.

May have had worse results if the protesters had been seated in an indoor venue.

We've had stuff opened from day one, stuff like supermarkets and pharmacies. Since then most retailers have also reopened, along with services like salons and nail shops.

But from the first days of the original businesses that my friend tail may call randomly chosen essential services (he might not be all wrong) my experience has been strict enforcement of lowered capacities, diligent sanitizing of carts and check out cashier lanes and stuff, mandatory face masks for admittance, etc, etc has turned out to be the best chance to hinder the spread.

Science. Not politics.

Unless scoundrels from dumb states decide to walk the Freedom Trail this Summer, or visit the depressing Plymouth Rock site, or ruin our beaches with overcrowding, I'd have to say MA could survive with a lesser second wave if it hits at all.
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#109 Posted:
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You must have had different marches than I saw. I don’t recall seeing lots of masks. Movement seemed more like standing in large groups facing off with police lines, objects being thrown, tear gas, looting and fires. It’s probably good nobody sat down in any of the businesses that were looted because their risk would have gone up greatly in that indoor venue.

We still have strict enforcement of lowered capacities, diligent sanitizing of carts and check out cashier lanes and stuff, and mandatory face masks for admittance. We haven’t opened services such as salons and nail shops. We haven’t opened indoor dining. We don’t have crowded beaches or open bars.

It’s just really odd we have this spike. Clearly it isn’t from the protesting, rioting, and looting so we’re kinda running out of science except Timmy’s birthday party two weeks ago or maybe the construction workers repairing looting damage aren’t socially distancing.

By our standards, Massachusetts is one of the dumb states!
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#110 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
You must have had different marches than I saw. I don’t recall seeing lots of masks. Movement seemed more like standing in large groups facing off with police lines, objects being thrown, tear gas, looting and fires. It’s probably good nobody sat down in any of the businesses that were looted because their risk would have gone up greatly in that indoor venue.

We still have strict enforcement of lowered capacities, diligent sanitizing of carts and check out cashier lanes and stuff, and mandatory face masks for admittance. We haven’t opened services such as salons and nail shops. We haven’t opened indoor dining. We don’t have crowded beaches or open bars.

It’s just really odd we have this spike. Clearly it isn’t from the protesting, rioting, and looting so we’re kinda running out of science except Timmy’s birthday party two weeks ago or maybe the construction workers repairing looting damage aren’t socially distancing.

By our standards, Massachusetts is one of the dumb states!

caustic humor aside, how do you explain the different results.
HockeyDad Offline
#111 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
caustic humor aside, how do you explain the different results.


Election year? Just kidding!

I really have no explanation. 30 states are seeing spikes in Covid cases and yet they seem to just have absolutely nothing in common other than a perfect storm of birthday party gatherings.

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#112 Posted:
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Looked at the topic and immediately though of a beautiful girl with huge tits and a wide ass. Boy was I disappointed.
Speyside Offline
#113 Posted:
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Aren't you married to one?
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
we see different realities, but a beer sounds real good.
Not too hoppy though, unless we are eating a few dozen steamers. (not Cleveland)


Ha!
Too hoppy.
Like that's a thing.

benja123 Offline
#115 Posted:
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https://thehoppymonk.com/

too many man-buns present but the food was very interesting
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted:
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benja123 wrote:
https://thehoppymonk.com/

too many man-buns present but the food was very interesting


Ha!
Too many man buns.
Like that's a thing.

frankj1 Offline
#117 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Election year? Just kidding!

I really have no explanation. 30 states are seeing spikes in Covid cases and yet they seem to just have absolutely nothing in common other than a perfect storm of birthday party gatherings.


the 20,000 peaceful protesters didn't command as much national network airtime as the burning and looting that ensued by a few hundred criminals.

Thinking I will cancel my birthday party this Summer, even though Governor Baker hasn't mentioned it specifically.
But jam packed bars is another thing they may have in common, MA hasn't opened that up yet.
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Ha!
Too many man buns.
Like that's a thing.


funny.
delta1 Offline
#119 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
But is IS dancing on the graves. Frank, it's not just a discount cigar auction forum, it's the media in general, and especially the social media. It's disgusting how giddy the sheep are.

Funny that you call it "sacrifice".
The government is flexing her muscle and implementing draconian lock down measures. Worst in my lifetime. In yours. And you claim to be about freedom. But you're willing to accept it. Not because it will work. Because you're told it might work.
And the rules are without logic. Without real science. And the industries that are open are not the safest or the most essential. They're simply the ones that offer convenience to calm the masses.
And don't forget the $600 weekly hush money to those displaced.

I would laugh, but it's frightening. Not the government over reach. But the willingness to embrace it.

No. The only thing being sacrificed is logic and freedom.

And this isn't a shelter in place with a goal. It's a shelter in place to give the impression of a plan.
If you can't see that difference then we need to have a beer so I can explain it.



if you call dancing on graves pointing out that the freedom lovers who disobeyed the stay at home orders and ultimately paid a regretful price price..."you're wrong"

your logic about freedom, then, means you would gladly live in the Seattle CHOP...but I haven't heard a single word of support for those anti-government peeps from any con
tailgater Offline
#120 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
if you call dancing on graves pointing out that the freedom lovers who disobeyed the stay at home orders and ultimately paid a regretful price price..."you're wrong"

your logic about freedom, then, means you would gladly live in the Seattle CHOP...but I haven't heard a single word of support for those anti-government peeps from any con




I didn't think I'd have to explain this, but apparently I do:
There is a difference between not wanting my government to arbitrarily shut down our economy, and wanting there to be no government influence at all.

Everything is black or white with you.
Everything.
tailgater Offline
#121 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
the 20,000 peaceful protesters didn't command as much national network airtime as the burning and looting that ensued by a few hundred criminals.

Thinking I will cancel my birthday party this Summer, even though Governor Baker hasn't mentioned it specifically.
But jam packed bars is another thing they may have in common, MA hasn't opened that up yet.


You realize that canceling your party doesn't mean you aren't getting older?
benja123 Offline
#122 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I didn't think I'd have to explain this, but apparently I do:
There is a difference between not wanting my government to arbitrarily shut down our economy, and wanting there to be no government influence at all.

Everything is black or white with you.
Everything.

ha! everythings black or white with you
like that's a thing
frankj1 Offline
#123 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You realize that canceling your party doesn't mean you aren't getting older?

true, but it may help make sure I do get older
HockeyDad Offline
#124 Posted:
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Before 2020 is over everyone will either have aged seven years or be dead. It’s gonna be like dog years.
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#125 Posted:
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Welcome folks... it's a new week and a brand new race! This weekend saw Florida continuing to dominate the pandemic 200,000 while Texas and California traded back and forth for the 2nd and 3rd places. Arizona stayed comfortably in #4, while everyone's least favorite state, Georgia, remained at #5.

With the race starting out today, Florida is ALREADY in the lead. I tell you, there's almost nothing disease related that this state cannot do. It leads the nation in elderly gonorrhea, and now it's showing us how to lead the nation in COVID. They are already announcing 5,266, and we know they have the stamina to take that higher before the day is out.

In second place is Alabama with 1,734.... now given this is alabama, it's also possible they just had 2 cases and had trouble adding them together.... so we're going to have to wait until the judges do the math for them before we even accept that number. But it's a strong start from that tiny, uneducated state... 4x higher than their totals yesterday....

In 3rd place, a common contender, North Carolina with 1,287. NC is always finishing around the #6 slot, trying to take #5 from Georgia... and to be honest, we all want to see GA fail.

In 4th is Nevada, and this is an early start for a state in Pacific time zone... they are showing us they mean business today.

And 5th is Mississippi with 675, which is double their count yesterday... Either they are coming in strong today, or they accidentally submitted their statewide tooth count.

frankj1 Offline
#126 Posted:
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that's not fair
benja123 Offline
#127 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
that's not fair

didn't you tell me once that life's not fair Mr Tripod?
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#128 Posted:
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Florida might be doing well but there is still only one place to get California Hot Tub Rectal Gonorrhea
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#129 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Florida might be doing well but there is still only one place to get California Hot Tub Rectal Gonorrhea



Nevada?
teedubbya Offline
#130 Posted:
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Wherever Izon lives at the time
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#131 Posted:
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And following noon PST we've seen some changes to the lineup.

FL remains in #1, but has not tried to increase their lead at all. It's unknown if they feel like they can keep their #1 spot with a mere 5,000 cases, or if they are just too worn out after days of 8-9k cases.

In an amazing turn, GA, everyone's most hated state, has moved into the #2 spot with 2,207 cases.

Alabama has not had their case numbers revoked yet, so they are able to hold #3, but judges are investigating.

With GA coming into #2, NC has been bumped to #4

And Louisiana has come in with a strong debut today, knocking Nevada and Mississippi out of the #5 spot. You go New Orleans!

Neither TX nor CA have been seen yet in this competition. This is a little unusual for TX at this time of the day, so officials are starting to wonder if either they have no COVID at all,or if they outdid themselves and EVERYONE in that state is dead.

Officials have stated they are hoping for the latter.
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#132 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I didn't think I'd have to explain this, but apparently I do:
There is a difference between not wanting my government to arbitrarily shut down our economy, and wanting there to be no government influence at all.

Everything is black or white with you.
Everything.



some things have to be black and white...otherwise, everyone, not just you, gets to decide on what is "arbitrary" and there would be a return to the state of nature...

how many points of view are there about what is an acceptable government influence in controlling the spread of a deadly virus?
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#133 Posted:
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benja123 wrote:
didn't you tell me once that life's not fair Mr Tripod?

I did, and I was wrong.
Not wrong meaning life actually is fair, but wrong to leave a trail I would soon regret.
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#134 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I did, and I was wrong.
Not wrong meaning life actually is fair, but wrong to leave a trail I would soon regret.

hehe I get the double entendre there, good one!
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#135 Posted:
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And heeereee comes texas. With a very slow start, texas has now moved into the #5 spot, knocking out N Carolina.
Tennessee moved into the #3 spot while no one was looking... and Alabama remains at #4. Florida has not improved their numbers all day, leading us to think they may just be worn out. This may be the day for Texas or California, who is still sitting at 8, to take the lead.

1 - FL - 5,266
2 - GA - 2,207
3 - TN - 2,125
4 - AL - 1,734
5 - TX - 1,694

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#136 Posted:
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And Texas makes a BIG jump to the #2 spot with 3,515! Can they take FL? FL has been such a strong competitor all weekend, ringing in 8 and 9k days... are they dead in the water at 5k today? If so, TX may be able to grab that #1 spot.... Just hours remain.

And where's CA in all of this? They have moved up, bringing 816 cases so far... but have not been showing the usual strength.
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victor809 wrote:
And Texas makes a BIG jump to the #2 spot with 3,515! Can they take FL? FL has been such a strong competitor all weekend, ringing in 8 and 9k days... are they dead in the water at 5k today? If so, TX may be able to grab that #1 spot.... Just hours remain.

And where's CA in all of this? They have moved up, bringing 816 cases so far... but have not been showing the usual strength.

Florida's knuckle-head governor will tout that only approximately 5,000 in one single day proves we turned the corner and are winning again.
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#138 Posted:
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Oh mah god Gene? Do you hear that???? What's that music? Is that????
Oh my! It's the Village PEOPLE!!! HERE COMES CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!

In a DECISIVE move, California has come in and swept Texas out of the #2 spot and put themselves within striking distance of Florida and the #1 spot.


Florida is barely holding #1...
California just sprinting in to #2
TX is wallowing at #3
Georgia, the worst state, is still holding on at #4
And Tennessee, not a common top 5 state is managing to hold #5. Good for them, must have been a few bachelorette parties a couple weeks ago.
teedubbya Offline
#139 Posted:
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It’s just like the flu
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#140 Posted:
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But, some of us may even have it and not even know it.
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#141 Posted:
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CALIFORNIA HAS TAKEN THE #1 spot! Another decisive move by CA, crushing TX and just out-lasting FL.

but the day is not over yet!
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#142 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Oh mah god Gene? Do you hear that???? What's that music? Is that????
Oh my! It's the Village PEOPLE!!! HERE COMES CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!

In a DECISIVE move, California has come in and swept Texas out of the #2 spot and put themselves within striking distance of Florida and the #1 spot.


Florida is barely holding #1...
California just sprinting in to #2
TX is wallowing at #3
Georgia, the worst state, is still holding on at #4
And Tennessee, not a common top 5 state is managing to hold #5. Good for them, must have been a few bachelorette parties a couple weeks ago.

TN must have had a lot of Volunteers
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#143 Posted:
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benja123 wrote:
hehe I get the double entendre there, good one!

twice heard, eh?
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#144 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Florida might be doing well but there is still only one place to get California Hot Tub Rectal Gonorrhea



pretty sure it aint my Jacuzzi (fancy CA word for hot tub)...only 8 people max, and I know most of the peeps who've been in it...not one of us has the RG...or the covid
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#145 Posted:
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California just can-not-be-stopped! They aren't just going to beat FL, they are going to PUMMEL them! Oh mah god... I just cannot look!

CA has extended their lead, up to 6,366 cases!
And TEXAS, taking advantage of FL weakness today has pushed on to the #2 spot with 5,632!
FL has been relegated to #3 today, but maybe they'll come back stronger tomorrow.
And AZ taking the #4 slot, and GA (as if we care what they do) at #5. Fluck GA.
delta1 Offline
#146 Posted:
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the spike in positive tests in many states can be attributed to the masses of people protesting for social equality...at least partially

would've been simple to determine that...

just ask anybody who tested positive, "did you attend any mass public rallies in the past 14 days?"


but we are also pretty sure that some of the spike can be blamed on the numbers of bars, pubs, restaurants with bars, etc that recently re-opened...

Gov has decided to shut down bars in 7 of the counties with highest numbers and recommended to another 6 counties that they should close their bars...our county was one that he recommended, and the county commission voted to do so today
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#147 Posted:
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I'm sure some of it is.
But it's important to note that the cities wit the most protesting aren't necessarily represented there.

NYC has been protesting for weeks and is still pretty much on the down-trend.
DC has been protesting a ton.. at best it's flat right now.
Protests in KC.... MO is still pretty flat.
Minnesota hasn't been spiking, and that's where they started.

There's no doubt that a bunch of people protesting in close contact will help the spread. But the current infection locations aren't suggesting that's where the current spike is coming from
delta1 Offline
#148 Posted:
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prolly all the bars that re-opened and were jammed packed with customers without masks...
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#149 Posted:
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Which would explain the younger demographic this time around.... (of course, protests were younger too... but seemed to be in different states)

I'm curious if the currently lower daily deaths will persist, or if we're seeing the lag. Perhaps in a couple weeks deaths may go back up.
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Victor KC is starting to flare.
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