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delta1 Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
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MACS wrote:
I'll ask you to do the same as I asked Al... give me examples of "systemic racism" in today's society?

I'll not hold my breath.


*sigh* I've answered a couple of times, but you must not be interested in what I have to say, or have made up your mind


the criminal justice system's treatment of marijuana users: usage rates among blacks and whites are comparable: but the imprisonment rate and severity of sentences for blacks far outnumber that of whites...

I saw this firsthand in the police academy in 1987, before MJ was decriminalized in CA...tach officers from mostly white beach communities said they often don't cite those caught smoking MJ, maybe confiscate and FI, but no cite or arrest...contrast with tach officers from LAPD, who say MJ is a primary opening to go looking for more serious violations, but will be at least a cite and release or booking if you don't find anything else, boosts arrest numbers and clearance rate for crimes...


pretty sure you don't read/believe my posts in response...so here's some articles from more informed sources...

pretty sure you won't look at these either...but they are relatively short and easy reads



https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6

https://time.com/5851855/systemic-racism-america/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/15/systemic-racism-what-does-mean/5343549002/
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
*sigh* I've answered a couple of times, but you must not be interested in what I have to say, or have made up your mind



He's not interested.
We're in the middle of protests due to how the police force tends to treat one race differently than another... thousands of people are literally discussing it right now. If what's been publicized in the past 4 weeks hasn't impacted his opinion, why bother?
MACS Offline
#53 Posted:
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Your first article shows employment statistics. It does nothing to show racism. In fact it shows we have black, white, hispanic and asian CEO's. The numbers don't show racism. That'd be like me saying the NFL is racist against whites because there are more black players. Dumb.

Your second article talks about history, not the present, and gives no concrete examples of systemic racism in today's society.

Your third article defines it and again gives no concrete examples of it.

Victor, I know you make it a point to inject your own thoughts into others' conversations... but I can answer for myself.

Here's a few things for you to consider, Al.

https://tinyurl.com/ybvo96sj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piwaBO6U43U&t=251s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cUQqPxw3hc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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MACS wrote:

Victor, I know you make it a point to inject your own thoughts into others' conversations... but I can answer for myself.

he says as he then links a bunch of videos of other people providing their opinion.
gummy jones Offline
#55 Posted:
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this dude always writes pretty snarky articles

some here will probably find this entertaining

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/06/29/americas-problem-is-systemic-liberalism-n2571471
Speyside Offline
#56 Posted:
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MACS, find information from legitimate sources. This pertains to anything and everything. Taking something from a place like utube lessens your argument. I am not meaning this as a negative toward you or what you believe in. And obviously this is just my opinion and observation.
Gene363 Offline
#57 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
this dude always writes pretty snarky articles

some here will probably find this entertaining

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/06/29/americas-problem-is-systemic-liberalism-n2571471


I used to believe it was the law of unintended consequences that made things like welfare and public housing such a mess. I now believe it was systemic racism, the parliament of whores, that keeps blacks in poverty. God bless that individuals that said F' this, I'm getting out of the cycle.
MACS Offline
#58 Posted:
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What's a legitimate source, Spey? One that you prefer? Or that reinforces your ideals?

Does anyone seriously believe that any person in this country, regardless of their race, cannot become whatever they want if they put forth the effort?
MACS Offline
#59 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
I used to believe it was the law of unintended consequences that made things like welfare and public housing such a mess. I now believe it was systemic racism, the parliament of whores, that keeps blacks in poverty. God bless that individuals that said F' this, I'm getting out of the cycle.


Ain't just blacks, Gene... I was in that cycle and I said F this and got out of it. So did my siblings.
Gene363 Offline
#60 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Ain't just blacks, Gene... I was in that cycle and I said F this and got out of it. So did my siblings.



And the world is better for it. It has been the same for asians and latinos too, even the Irish. For blacks the issue is further complicated by the history of slavery and the folks delighted to perpetuate the notion of waiting until someone in power delivers salvation, (For racism and to collect votes.) instead of bootstrapping themselves.

Here the problem is some people consider their feelings and opinions as fact and anything or anyone that conflicts with their feelings is to be vilified.
victor809 Offline
#61 Posted:
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Once again, systemic racism has been proven to be nonexistent through the valiant effort of a buncha old white guys.
MACS Offline
#62 Posted:
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^Had you bothered to watch the videos there were a lot of old and young black guys (and a girl) saying the same thing.

*shrug*
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Not referring to the videos. Referring to you and Gene's back and forth.

Good job solving it all guys. I'd high-five you, but we're all white.
Gene363 Offline
#64 Posted:
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As I was saying... LOL
MACS Offline
#65 Posted:
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All you ever do is criticize others in an effort to make yourself feel better. Why do you hate yourself so much?

Nevermind... I don't care... plus, I can see why. I'd high five you, but... yeah, I don't even like you.
tonygraz Offline
#66 Posted:
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That's not nice, what did Gene do to you ?
Speyside Offline
#67 Posted:
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No MACS, I did not mean one that I prefer. Nor was I denigrating the people in those utubes. You missed my point I think. An argument is stronger when the strongest sources are used. Often I think you present valid points of view, ideas, that I usually am able to find through mainstream sources. Maybe the source isn't important to you. But to some other people it is.
Speyside Offline
#68 Posted:
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Shame on you. Gene, there you go spreading honesty again. It really is a nasty habit. I think there is s 6 step program for that. Lets not talk about systemic racism. I think talking about systemic oppression is more applicable. I'll start it off. Welfare is systemic oppression. It impresses all people stuck there. MACS, if you and your siblings were stuck there then good on all of you for breaking that cycle. Perhaps we should also talk about systemic violence, that sword has 2 edges.
Speyside Offline
#69 Posted:
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Rrrrr, spell check, impresses is oppresses.
BuckyB93 Offline
#70 Posted:
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If you feel so strongly that this is a systemic problem, what are you doing to try to change it? Bitching about it, pointing fingers and blaming others ain't gonna get it done? Expect others to come to save and prop you up ain't gonna happen?

Tell me delta, victor, spey, tony... If you feel so strongly about it, what are YOU doing to change it?
HockeyDad Offline
#71 Posted:
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I ran a 10% off special on torches and pitchforks to raise awareness.
Speyside Offline
#72 Posted:
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Why don't you get your head out of your ass and actually read what I have read in this thread. I have not once mentioned systemic racism is a problem. I have more than once mentioned welfare is the problem. It is systemic oppression. It effects all people stuck in its ugly cycle. I have laughed about Demo rats because they reinforce the problem. Yes, the above was intentional.

As far as what I have done about systemic oppression, I talk the talk, money speaks. I have invested more money in improving education for impoverished Americans than you will make in your lifetime. I have done the same for healthcare for impoverished Americans. So has my wife. I don't say we even though it is we. I separate because we both earned our own money.

Conceptually you should appreciate what we do. It is philanthropy at its best. It doesn't include one single penny of taxpayer money. It is our money and we earned it. If you want to tell me our money would be better spent elsewhere **** you. If you want to illogically trash me without reading what I said **** you. As an overall **** you. If I haven't made myself clear **** you. In fact any time you want to question my efforts or integrity in a derogatory way **** you.

Any other questions?
HockeyDad Offline
#73 Posted:
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Geez I’m sorry.
Speyside Offline
#74 Posted:
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Come on HD, you could have done 1.8% , made a better margin, and have made your points.
HockeyDad Offline
#75 Posted:
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No way man, I was moving product below dealer invoice because I’m down with cause.
Speyside Offline
#76 Posted:
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You are NOT helping the economy recover with THAT attitude!
Speyside Offline
#77 Posted:
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Well you should be sorry.
HockeyDad Offline
#78 Posted:
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I’ll make it up on volume if we get a second wave of protests. Strategery.
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
All you ever do is criticize others in an effort to make yourself feel better. Why do you hate yourself so much?

Nevermind... I don't care... plus, I can see why. I'd high five you, but... yeah, I don't even like you.



You only see the small part of my life that is online here, and your perspective is from the point of view of someone being criticized. I criticize very few people outside of this forum. Because most people I interact with aren't saying things which require criticism.

But I can understand why you'd want to believe I criticize everyone. It would make you feel like it isn't your particular opinions that I'm criticizing and allows you to feel justified in your ideas. Whatever makes you feel better man.
Speyside Offline
#80 Posted:
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Ah, as Frankie Tripod would say, wicked smaht.
MACS Offline
#81 Posted:
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Did you skip over that part where I said I don't care?

It would seem so...
victor809 Offline
#82 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Did you skip over that part where I said I don't care?

It would seem so...


yeah.... I um.... didn't care about that.

Seriously... what sort of clown would think people whose opinions they don't care about would actually ....care what their thoughts are? Seriously.... you've got problems if you think your "caring" about something registers even the smallest amount in my choice to post something or not post something.
MACS Offline
#83 Posted:
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^Exactly... I... Don't... Care.

Which means I don't care if you care. GFY for all I care. HA!
Gene363 Offline
#84 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Shame on you. Gene, there you go spreading honesty again. It really is a nasty habit. I think there is s 6 step program for that. Lets not talk about systemic racism. I think talking about systemic oppression is more applicable. I'll start it off. Welfare is systemic oppression. It impresses all people stuck there. MACS, if you and your siblings were stuck there then good on all of you for breaking that cycle. Perhaps we should also talk about systemic violence, that sword has 2 edges.


Start with that apology for calling me, alt right.
Speyside Offline
#85 Posted:
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I apologize.
Speyside Offline
#86 Posted:
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Does that mean I can't call you a bigot, racist, or white supremacist either? Just checking.
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#87 Posted:
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At my own peril I am going to continue along the lines MACS is preaching.

Anyone regardless of color willing to apply themselves can and do better themselves everyday.There's literally a thousand ways out of the gubmint cheese lifestyle,it's all about what you're willing to settle for.I live in a small town so I know who settled and who didn't and in 98.2% of the settlers they had another choice and this is where my I'm headed.Life is about choices,if you make poor ones that is not systemic racism.Many who fall into this category would want you to believe it wasn't their fault but the truth is they made a piss poor choice,my guess many in row.

Bout 20 years ago I sat as Chairman on the local Gubmint housing board.Monthly I held a required meeting of all new tenants and any tenants who had lived in one of the units more than 18 months.This meeting started out with the Director explaining rules followed by me explaining how gubmint housing was used as a helping hand or a stepping stone to get back on ones feet.One night a lady who was second generation lifetime gubmint housing dweller called me out as a racist because I had said three times "Our units are not for homesteading they're a helping hand til you can get out on your own".Was I trying to drive a point home??? Ya damn right I was.My response to her was her lifetime of bad choices had nothing at all to do with me.She stomped out and still resents me today.But she's mad because I reminded her of where she allowed life to take her...........BTW still in the PJ's,raised her 3 kids in the PJ's and 2 of them have followed suit.However her youngest joined the Marine Corp,DD'd out in Virginia and now sells real estate in the Norfolk area and is doing quite well for himself.He got out of the cycle and both of his siblings could have as well.........BUT THEY **** ING MADE THE SAME SCHIT CHOICES THEIR MOTHER DID!!!
Gene363 Offline
#88 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
I apologize.


Fine, though the following says you are not sincere.

Speyside wrote:
Does that mean I can't call you a bigot, racist, or white supremacist either? Just checking.


Only you can decide what you are going to do, at this point I do not really care.
Plowboy221 Offline
#89 Posted:
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MACS wrote:


Does anyone seriously believe that any person in this country, regardless of their race, cannot become whatever they want if they put forth the effort?



False, I wanted to be a porn star and nail a ton of wicked hawt women...... Boo hoo!
Speyside Offline
#90 Posted:
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The first was serious. The second was a joke. Guess I should have signified that.
tonygraz Offline
#91 Posted:
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I thought it was just a keystroke error for "all right". Now I'm wondering if that was first or second.
victor809 Offline
#92 Posted:
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I'm pretty sure gene is alt right.

Or would be very comfortable sharing a gallon of milk with them.
Speyside Offline
#93 Posted:
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Hey now, I didn't say Gene wasn't alt right. I apologized for calling him alt right. There is a difference.
victor809 Offline
#94 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Hey now, I didn't say Gene wasn't alt right. I apologized for calling him alt right. There is a difference.


Yeah, but no one ever agrees with you here.

So clearly gene must be alt-right if you're saying he's not.
Speyside Offline
#95 Posted:
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There is that.
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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Maybe it's just a Kevin Bacon thing but in this case instead of Kevin Bacon it's alt right groups. Kevin Bacon sucks balls but his taint is sprayed all over the place.
victor809 Offline
#97 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe it's just a Kevin Bacon thing but in this case instead of Kevin Bacon it's alt right groups. Kevin Bacon sucks balls but his taint is sprayed all over the place.


I'd bet you wouldn't need 6 degrees of separation for a lot of people here. Maybe 2 at the most.
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted:
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yet there is separation which creates justification for an odd comfort level.
Speyside Offline
#99 Posted:
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I want 19, its difficult for the COVID 19.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
If you feel so strongly that this is a systemic problem, what are you doing to try to change it? Bitching about it, pointing fingers and blaming others ain't gonna get it done? Expect others to come to save and prop you up ain't gonna happen?
If you feel so strongly about it, what are YOU doing to change it?


I wish every reporter that gives a BLM activist airtime would ask them these questions.
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