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For Those Who Bow at the Altar of the BLM
Whistlebritches Offline
#1 Posted:
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They're nothing but domestic terrorist using any excuse to advance their divide and conquer agenda.An 8 year old girl is dead because of BLM's reckless actions.


https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/child-shot-killed-atlanta-police-say/CLSJOKHUWFBDTH3UUGXQCKDPBA/

BuckyB93 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Put on your asbestos suit and prepare to get flamed.
izonfire Offline
#3 Posted:
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Seems like there’s always flamers coming out...
tailgater Offline
#4 Posted:
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Hopefully the "protesters" will identify the shooter.

Since BLM is clearly a terrorist group, however, I doubt it.

RMAN4443 Offline
#5 Posted:
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someone will be along shortly, to explain how very very stupid and uneducated you are for expressing those thoughtsFrying pan
zitotczito Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2006
Posts: 6,441
Statue of Frederick Douglass torn from its base in New York. Guess only anarchist black lives matter. Not hearing much about all the children killed recently.
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted:
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I seriously doubt that BLM condoned the shooting. The shooters weren't "protesters" The shooters are just "criminals" running free of the demonstration.
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 03-16-2015
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Yeah, but it is fake news that supports the cult of Trump.
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
someone will be along shortly, to explain how very very stupid and uneducated you are for expressing those thoughts


Actually it not so much about a lack of education or stupidity. As I like to point out "believing IS seeing".
For a number of reasons, we tend see only what supports our belief system. Left or Right, Red or Blue, it effects us all:

Denial is natural
Our ancestors evolved in small groups, where cooperation and persuasion had at least as much to do with reproductive success as holding accurate factual beliefs about the world. Assimilation into one’s tribe required assimilation into the group’s ideological belief system. An instinctive bias in favor of one’s “in-group” and its worldview is deeply ingrained in human psychology.

A human being’s very sense of self is intimately tied up with his or her identity group’s status and beliefs. Unsurprisingly, then, people respond automatically and defensively to information that threatens their ideological worldview. We respond with rationalization and selective assessment of evidence – that is, we engage in “confirmation bias,” giving credit to expert testimony we like and find reasons to reject the rest.

Political scientists Charles Taber and Milton Lodge experimentally confirmed the existence of this automatic response. They found that partisan subjects, when presented with photos of politicians, produce an affective “like/dislike” response that precedes any sort of conscious, factual assessment as to who is pictured.

In ideologically charged situations, one’s prejudices end up affecting one’s factual beliefs. Insofar as you define yourself in terms of your cultural affiliations, information that threatens your belief system – say, information about the negative effects of industrial production on the environment – can threaten your sense of identity itself. If it’s part of your ideological community’s worldview that unnatural things are unhealthful, factual information about a scientific consensus on vaccine or GM food safety feels like a personal attack.

Unwelcome information can also threaten in other ways. “System justification” theorists like psychologist John Jost have shown how situations that represent a threat to established systems trigger inflexible thinking and a desire for closure. For example, as Jost and colleagues extensively review, populations experiencing economic distress or external threat have often turned to authoritarian, hierarchicalist leaders promising security and stability.

Everyone sees the world through one partisan lens or another, based on their identity and beliefs. Vladyslav Starozhylov/Shutterstock.com


Denial is everywhere

This kind of affect-laden, motivated thinking explains a wide range of examples of an extreme, evidence-resistant rejection of historical fact and scientific consensus.

Have tax cuts been shown to pay for themselves in terms of economic growth? Do communities with high numbers of immigrants have higher rates of violent crime? Did Russia interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Predictably, expert opinion regarding such matters is treated by partisan media as though evidence is itself inherently partisan.

Denialist phenomena are many and varied, but the story behind them is, ultimately, quite simple. Human cognition is inseparable from the unconscious emotional responses that go with it. Under the right conditions, universal human traits like in-group favoritism, existential anxiety and a desire for stability and control combine into a toxic, system-justifying identity politics.

When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking becomes denial. And unfortunately these facts about human nature can be manipulated for political ends.

This picture is a bit grim, because it suggests that facts alone have limited power to resolve politicized issues like climate change or immigration policy. But properly understanding the phenomenon of denial is surely a crucial first step to addressing it.
Whistlebritches Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 22,128
rfenst wrote:
I seriously doubt that BLM condoned the shooting. The shooters weren't "protesters" The shooters are just "criminals" running free of the demonstration.



I knew someone would come along and defend BLM,thanks Robert you've proven my radar still works.However the father of the child even said the shooters were BLM.BLM was trying to seal off the parking lot where the child was shot for their demonstration.
Whistlebritches Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 04-23-2006
Posts: 22,128
Speyside wrote:
Yeah, but it is fake news that supports the cult of Trump.



You wish.........but not today Allen
Whistlebritches Offline
#12 Posted:
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Posts: 22,128
Brewha wrote:
Actually it not so much about a lack of education or stupidity. As I like to point out "believing IS seeing".
For a number of reasons, we tend see only what supports our belief system. Left or Right, Red or Blue, it effects us all:

Denial is natural
Our ancestors evolved in small groups, where cooperation and persuasion had at least as much to do with reproductive success as holding accurate factual beliefs about the world. Assimilation into one’s tribe required assimilation into the group’s ideological belief system. An instinctive bias in favor of one’s “in-group” and its worldview is deeply ingrained in human psychology.

A human being’s very sense of self is intimately tied up with his or her identity group’s status and beliefs. Unsurprisingly, then, people respond automatically and defensively to information that threatens their ideological worldview. We respond with rationalization and selective assessment of evidence – that is, we engage in “confirmation bias,” giving credit to expert testimony we like and find reasons to reject the rest.

Political scientists Charles Taber and Milton Lodge experimentally confirmed the existence of this automatic response. They found that partisan subjects, when presented with photos of politicians, produce an affective “like/dislike” response that precedes any sort of conscious, factual assessment as to who is pictured.

In ideologically charged situations, one’s prejudices end up affecting one’s factual beliefs. Insofar as you define yourself in terms of your cultural affiliations, information that threatens your belief system – say, information about the negative effects of industrial production on the environment – can threaten your sense of identity itself. If it’s part of your ideological community’s worldview that unnatural things are unhealthful, factual information about a scientific consensus on vaccine or GM food safety feels like a personal attack.

Unwelcome information can also threaten in other ways. “System justification” theorists like psychologist John Jost have shown how situations that represent a threat to established systems trigger inflexible thinking and a desire for closure. For example, as Jost and colleagues extensively review, populations experiencing economic distress or external threat have often turned to authoritarian, hierarchicalist leaders promising security and stability.

Everyone sees the world through one partisan lens or another, based on their identity and beliefs. Vladyslav Starozhylov/Shutterstock.com


Denial is everywhere

This kind of affect-laden, motivated thinking explains a wide range of examples of an extreme, evidence-resistant rejection of historical fact and scientific consensus.

Have tax cuts been shown to pay for themselves in terms of economic growth? Do communities with high numbers of immigrants have higher rates of violent crime? Did Russia interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election? Predictably, expert opinion regarding such matters is treated by partisan media as though evidence is itself inherently partisan.

Denialist phenomena are many and varied, but the story behind them is, ultimately, quite simple. Human cognition is inseparable from the unconscious emotional responses that go with it. Under the right conditions, universal human traits like in-group favoritism, existential anxiety and a desire for stability and control combine into a toxic, system-justifying identity politics.

When group interests, creeds, or dogmas are threatened by unwelcome factual information, biased thinking becomes denial. And unfortunately these facts about human nature can be manipulated for political ends.

This picture is a bit grim, because it suggests that facts alone have limited power to resolve politicized issues like climate change or immigration policy. But properly understanding the phenomenon of denial is surely a crucial first step to addressing it.


Thank you for making a great point albeit a little long winded.You can have all the facts known to man and liberals refuse to open their eyes or their minds.

In my neck of the woods we say exactly what you did but much less wordy and more to the point,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"
CelticBomber Offline
#13 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Thank you for making a great point albeit a little long winded.


A couple of paragraphs is long winded? Really? Why would you say that? Could it be ego driving that statement to belittle the point and elevate your's? Nah....


Whistlebritches wrote:
You can have all the facts known to man and liberals (PEOPLE) refuse to open their eyes or their minds.



Irony: Something made of Iron.... Brick wall





Speyside Offline
#14 Posted:
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Nah Ron. Is it possible, yes. Is it proven in any way? No. People who live in these hell holes get murdered. Good people and bad alike. Are there bad people in BLM? Yes. Should the name be different? Yes. BLMT black lives matter too. ALM all lives matter. Is their goal good? Yes. Should they stop the violence and help police stop the violence? Yes. Is BLM itself bad? No. Sorry to go off tangent. I just think all of the above is important.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I seriously doubt that BLM condoned the shooting. The shooters weren't "protesters" The shooters are just "criminals" running free of the demonstration.


I hear ya. But people saw this happen. BLM peoples.
If they don't snitch then they're condoning the action of the thugs. And now the murderers.
There's only so much violence that can happen at, in, and around a BLM event before it's obvious they don't mind the distraction. Hell, for the most part they seem to welcome it.
Not the death of child. But they're on the clock now. They need to point them out.



tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Nah Ron. Is it possible, yes. Is it proven in any way? No. People who live in these hell holes get murdered. Good people and bad alike. Are there bad people in BLM? Yes. Should the name be different? Yes. BLMT black lives matter too. ALM all lives matter. Is their goal good? Yes. Should they stop the violence and help police stop the violence? Yes. Is BLM itself bad? No. Sorry to go off tangent. I just think all of the above is important.


It's awesome how you knew all the answers to those questions.
That you posed.
To yourself.

HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,130
Speyside wrote:
Nah Ron. Is it possible, yes. Is it proven in any way? No. People who live in these hell holes get murdered. Good people and bad alike. Are there bad people in BLM? Yes. Should the name be different? Yes. BLMT black lives matter too. ALM all lives matter. Is their goal good? Yes. Should they stop the violence and help police stop the violence? Yes. Is BLM itself bad? No. Sorry to go off tangent. I just think all of the above is important.


Too late. National Guard is mobilizing in Georgia to retake Atlanta.
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted:
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Frenchie, I'm great with that. The murder and violence must end. Tail said something in another thread and I'm going to steal it. To paraphrase, bad cops shouldn't be covered for, the BLM shouldn't hide thugs. True dat.
Whistlebritches Offline
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CelticBomber wrote:
A couple of paragraphs is long winded? Really? Why would you say that? Could it be ego driving that statement to belittle the point and elevate your's? Nah....





When I see someone ramble on and on when the point could have been made in one sentence.......Something I learned many years ago comes to mind,"When you fail to dazzle them with your brilliance,baffle them with your bullschit"

Ego driven...........really???
Whistlebritches Offline
#20 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Frenchie, I'm great with that. The murder and violence must end. Tail said something in another thread and I'm going to steal it. To paraphrase, bad cops shouldn't be covered for, the BLM shouldn't hide thugs. True dat.




Allen that is something we can agree on.My fear is because local officials let this get so far out of control trying to bring it to a closure will lead to more bloodshed.I pray it doesn't but my gut says otherwise
Mr. Jones Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
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To bad the the entire cast of Atlanta Housewives is still
Acting like OVERPRIVILAGED morons...
While normal peons die all around them in BLM VIOLENCE DURING "PEACEFUL" PROTESTS...

Once BLM takes over...theY "A.H." will go to a re-education encampment for two tours...one won't do it...

When the apocalypse hits...people like them will be the first to pass on..or be overtaken by the hoarded...
Speyside Offline
#22 Posted:
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Ron, I worry about this also. Tension is so high on all sides. Police are being asked to do the impossible. Blacks are justified in their anger of being treated with different standards. Whites are upset that somehow very old injustice such as slavery is being linked to them. Latinos are angry at the appalling conditions illegal aliens are held in. The razors edge we walk on has a slim margin for error. My property borders on lake Michigan. The way the laws are written my property runs to the low tide mark. We run walls to there at both ends of the property. Every year a number of people climb up the bluff to bitch about blocking public domain. We haven't. They are angry people who now carry and wave guns. This year we made a security change to eliminate this nuisance. The 2 last year waving guns came close to meeting their maker. Fortunatly security intervened before guns were pointed at any of our family. Stay safe and protect your family brother.
rfenst Offline
#23 Posted:
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The cops' job is to keep the lower class from hurting the middle class.
The courts' protect the upper class from both.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted:
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Posts: 13,954
rfenst wrote:
The cops' job is to keep the lower class from hurting the middle class.
The courts' protect the upper class from both.

And that's the real problem... no one is protecting demi-gods like me...
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted:
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all of this cuz Obama had a beer with Black intellectual and a cop?


yah, right.
Dg west deptford Offline
#26 Posted:
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To the op
Only bow to God
"But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities" Peter
izonfire Offline
#27 Posted:
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Peter was a d1ck...
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Frenchie, I'm great with that. The murder and violence must end. Tail said something in another thread and I'm going to steal it. To paraphrase, bad cops shouldn't be covered for, the BLM shouldn't hide thugs. True dat.

I'd like to think that BLM isn't intentionally hiding thugs, but that the thugs are hiding along side and amongst BLM as cover for their violence. Hope that's correct. We'll see...
rfenst Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
To the op
Only bow to God
"But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities" Peter

What is that crap you spew?
delta1 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I'd like to think that BLM isn't intentionally hiding thugs, but that the thugs are hiding along side and amongst BLM as cover for their violence. Hope that's correct. We'll see...



the few who've been identified and arrested for looting, arson and burglary during the initial stages of the protest don't seem to have social media connections with the BLM movement...

it would help if organizers of the protests would denounce people who commit acts of violence and crimes against property during their protests...but I don't think it would move the needle in the numbers of people who are opposed to the BLM...

it's a shame that people who have no intention of supporting the BLM protests, disagree with their message and goals, and find BLM offensive and threatening focus on the violent acts of a few to provide a cover, a reason, to condemn the entirety...

these critics would still be critics even if all the demonstrations occurred without any criminal behavior...they disagree that there are any problems with society that puts black and minorities at a disadvantage and don't want to hear anybody complain about it...

the reaction to Colin Kaepernick, who committed no crime and exercised the most basic of our freedoms and rights, and the villyfying of all those who point out social inequality in our long history exemplifies this...
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https://www.cpusa.org/article/prison-and-police-abolition-reimagining-public-safety-and-liberation/

The Communist Party of the USA supports BLM.

Must be good.
frankj1 Offline
#32 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
https://www.cpusa.org/article/prison-and-police-abolition-reimagining-public-safety-and-liberation/

The Communist Party of the USA supports BLM.

Must be good.

meh.
the nazi party and klan support Trump.

pick your poison.
gringococolo Offline
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Is there a national klan or nazi party website or movement, or did Don Lemon tell you that?

Anyway. There’s a reason I stopped posting on here like 6 years ago. Same old stuff.

If my choice is between labeled a racist by people who don’t know me or accepting leftist/Marxist ideology I would choose to be labeled something I am not. I know how many people have been killed by communism. But you know. It’s all about feelings.

I just want to verify my choice is between the Klan and Communism? Cool.
rfenst Offline
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Hey man, how you doing?
It's been a long time like you said.
Still a controler? Where?
gringococolo Offline
#35 Posted:
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I’m good. Yes, I’m DoD ATC up at NAS Jacksonville. Back in FL. Almost quit cigars I smoked through my stash and then decided nope. Gonna rebuild and keep enjoying them. Nice to see the old names around here. Probably won’t join too many of the political discussions, this was just a teaser!

rfenst Offline
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Stay a while, you might like the other parts of this place.Herfing
frankj1 Offline
#37 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
Is there a national klan or nazi party website or movement, or did Don Lemon tell you that?

Anyway. There’s a reason I stopped posting on here like 6 years ago. Same old stuff.

If my choice is between labeled a racist by people who don’t know me or accepting leftist/Marxist ideology I would choose to be labeled something I am not. I know how many people have been killed by communism. But you know. It’s all about feelings.

I just want to verify my choice is between the Klan and Communism? Cool.

don't know Don lemon.
Didn't call you anything!
Didn't support communism either.

6 million of my people alone were killed by nazis, and the American nazi party and all white supremacists vote Trump.

I am attacking the idea that either extreme could possibly be better than the other.
gringococolo Offline
#38 Posted:
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Brother I’m just a smart ass. I’m not easily offended and I know you ain’t either.
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
Brother I’m just a smart ass. I’m not easily offended and I know you ain’t either.

you are officially wicked smaht in my book!

rfenst was my mentor last decade...stick around
izonfire Offline
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gringococolo wrote:
Is there a national klan or nazi party website or movement, or did Don Lemon tell you that?

I’m gonna have to jump through a few hoops on this one, but I can hook you up.
PM me...
gringococolo Offline
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I think I started on these here inter webs forum around 2006. I am was the first person to achieve platinum status. Night night.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Son of a beach....

https://youtu.be/G1XNouTMOgg
CelticBomber Offline
#43 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
When I see someone ramble on and on when the point could have been made in one sentence.......Something I learned many years ago comes to mind,"When you fail to dazzle them with your brilliance,baffle them with your bullschit"

Ego driven...........really???


Yep. He didn't make his point in a way that YOU liked. YOU thought it could have been more succinct. Stream lined. Bare Bones..... or another way to say it would be... Stripped of nuance, complexity, and subtlety. But, who ever needs those? Not YOU so why would anyone else? Silly rabbit, bothering with all that thinking when we can strip everything down to a few pithy sayings and a cheeky grin. When we add to the mix the fact that you pointed it out, not to make your point but, just to point it out... Well, we pop that in the oven at 350 for 45 minutes and DING! Your ego is ready.



Speyside Offline
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I only use Mayan, Aztec, or Druidic alters. Gonna hafta get busy. Not enough human sacrifices to stop the COVID yet. Though it is working for Illinois. I think we'll start an abortion clinic. Wayyyyy more human sacrifices. Plus a whole lot of Sientologists pay lots of money for umbilical cords and placentas.
borndead1 Offline
#45 Posted:
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I find it funny that a lot of the same people who don't want all cops painted with a broad brush are quite willing to paint BLM with that same brush.



tailgater Offline
#46 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
I find it funny that a lot of the same people who don't want all cops painted with a broad brush are quite willing to paint BLM with that same brush.





Defund BLM!

bgz Offline
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I painted a broad with a brush once.
Whistlebritches Offline
#48 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I painted a broad with a brush once.


I dig woman of color.Any pics you could share?
bgz Offline
#49 Posted:
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I dig woman of color.Any pics you could share?


Unfortunately she took a shower before I could get a pic... I would share though if I had better foresight.
Whistlebritches Offline
#50 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
Unfortunately she took a shower before I could get a pic... I would share though if I had better foresight.



Damn!!!
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