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Should K-12 Be Required To Go Back to School Full Time This Fall?
tailgater Offline
#51 Posted:
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CarsonTheCat wrote:
My wife, according to the CDC, is a high risk teacher, so she will do whatever she needs to to not step foot in that building. They have to make reasonable accommodations for at risk people, even if that means students are back in the building, but she is home doing distance teaching. That job, and the students, are not worth her health or her life. I'm not going to possibly lose the love of my life because people want to get kids back into school before the safety of ALL can be assured.


This isn't about "wanting" kids back in school. It's the necessity of society opening back up, and schooling is one of the cornerstones.

Kids are safe from this. They're more likely to die of pneumonia.
But they can carry to others. Which makes these decisions difficult.
And anyone high risk needs to be taken care of. This is where the bulk of our efforts should have been from the beginning.
I don't know the answer for your wife, but you're approaching it with the right perspective: the job is not worth her life.
With that said, we can't keep kids home until the virus vanishes or we get a vaccine. Neither of these things are guaranteed to happen soon. Or ever.

Your wife is a teacher, but as a person of high risk she would be facing this regardless of her job. Some jobs can be performed from home. Many can't.
I hope she's able to find a solution. Good luck.



tonygraz Offline
#52 Posted:
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Holy crap - good post tail.
tailgater Offline
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-age/under-20s-around-half-as-susceptible-to-covid-19-study-finds-idUSKBN23N1RP

I'm sure there are studies that contradict this, but most of what I have read falls in line with this.

Conclusion: Kids are not the ones we should worry about with the Covid. They are less likely to catch it, and once they have it they are unlikely to be in danger.

Numbers from the CDC support this.

victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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While I'm not pro or anti school opening, it's short sighted to think this has anything to do with the kids.

Kids all seem to occasionally come in contact with adults at home. I don't know why... Or what they're called... But there seems to be some weird relationship between them.

The kids will go to school, they will pass this between them, and they will give it to their parents and grandparents. Some percentage of them will die.

It will happen.

I'm not saying what we should do, but you're just blowing smoke up your own ass if you're just focusing on what the risk to kids is.
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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the tiny amount of kid deaths sounds sooooo small when we say point zero something percent .
it plays out to only like xx thousand of children 5 or under.



ZRX1200 Offline
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I love it when Mr Science is blind to recent reports that crotch goblins haven’t been transmitting it as much as adults. Orange man bad.

(Not for you Frank so don’t get guilty and PM me asking)
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#57 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I love it when Mr Science is blind to recent reports that crotch goblins haven’t been transmitting it as much as adults. Orange man bad.

(Not for you Frank so don’t get guilty and PM me asking)

can I text my junk?
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
can I text my junk?


With ample bandwidth, maybe.
tailgater Offline
#59 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
the tiny amount of kid deaths sounds sooooo small when we say point zero something percent .
it plays out to only like xx thousand of children 5 or under.





The problem with doing the math is simple.
How many kids should we allow to die?

Easy answer is zero.
But if it's zero, then we can NEVER send the kids back.
Ever.
Because there is always some risk.

Your point is valid. And I don't even see it as being overly liberal. But it is not a reason to keep everything closed in perpetuity. We hate thinking about it, but life in a free nation is filled with risks. It's a false argument if we use numbers as scare tactics.
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tailgater wrote:
This isn't about "wanting" kids back in school. It's the necessity of society opening back up, and schooling is one of the cornerstones.

Kids are safe from this. They're more likely to die of pneumonia.
But they can carry to others. Which makes these decisions difficult.
And anyone high risk needs to be taken care of. This is where the bulk of our efforts should have been from the beginning.
I don't know the answer for your wife, but you're approaching it with the right perspective: the job is not worth her life.
With that said, we can't keep kids home until the virus vanishes or we get a vaccine. Neither of these things are guaranteed to happen soon. Or ever.

Your wife is a teacher, but as a person of high risk she would be facing this regardless of her job. Some jobs can be performed from home. Many can't.
I hope she's able to find a solution. Good luck.





You know that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, right?






I know, sometimes irony can be pretty ironic....
delta1 Offline
#61 Posted:
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seems we don't have the will to do what the best national response has been among the world's nations: effective lockdown, widespread testing, contact tracing and quarantine, face coverings, social distancing, sanitation...

in those places that have done it, like South Korea and Germany, a couple of months later, few deaths and re-open...monitor and repeat to address recurring hotspots...most schools are open, with safety measures in place, but there are exceptions due to local viral conditions...rational approach


there is a way to keep ahead of the virus and provide some protection for the economy...we just lack the leadership and the national spirit that is necessary...we like to be leading the world...sadly, we are
tonygraz Offline
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I think the 30 year old guy who went to a covid party was right when he said in his dying words that it wasn't a hoax after all. I wonder where he heard that it was - wasn't it the same fool who wants all the schools to reopen ?

While driving near Dartmouth yesterday I saw a sign: Fauci 2020
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#63 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
The problem with doing the math is simple.
How many kids should we allow to die?

Easy answer is zero.
But if it's zero, then we can NEVER send the kids back.
Ever.
Because there is always some risk.

Your point is valid. And I don't even see it as being overly liberal. But it is not a reason to keep everything closed in perpetuity. We hate thinking about it, but life in a free nation is filled with risks. It's a false argument if we use numbers as scare tactics.

you read me right.
I accept risk as part of freedom, but more like if a murderer is freed to protect our rights from bad law enforcement.
That kind of risk.

We wouldn't knowingly send our kids to a school with a measles outbreak. Yet you are correct, school has to hapepn.
and it will.

but we have to be grown ups and sadly turn a deaf ear to Trump and DeVos and figure it out with the brains of our experts, not with the goal of reelection.
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I am ashamed to say that Florida is forging ahead with plans to open schools four weeks from now. We have had record setting days of new covid diagnosis with no end in sight. Nearly 25% of our front-line health care workers have tested positive in recent days. Our governor is solely using the Trump Covid playbook and is marching ahead, full steam against public health experts' advice.
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frankj1 wrote:
... but we have to be grown ups and sadly turn a deaf ear to Trump and DeVos and figure it out with the brains of our experts, not with the goal of reelection.

DeVos is a real piece of work, eh?

"In a statement, the department defended Ms. DeVos’s push, saying that “if anyone is politicizing this issue it’s the unions, who are Democrats’ operatives, who are fear-mongering and denying the science that says it’s safe and better for kids’ overall health to be back in school.”
NYT

I'd sure like to hear about the "science" she is relying on.
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
You know that COVID-19 causes pneumonia, right?


I know, sometimes irony can be pretty ironic....


The CDC breaks out pneumonia WITH the Covid, and pneumonia without.

Kids get pneumonia without the covid at a higher rate.

Ironic.

tailgater Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
I think the 30 year old guy who went to a covid party was right when he said in his dying words that it wasn't a hoax after all. I wonder where he heard that it was - wasn't it the same fool who wants all the schools to reopen ?

While driving near Dartmouth yesterday I saw a sign: Fauci 2020



What you doing so far east?
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frankj1 wrote:
you read me right.
I accept risk as part of freedom, but more like if a murderer is freed to protect our rights from bad law enforcement.
That kind of risk.

We wouldn't knowingly send our kids to a school with a measles outbreak. Yet you are correct, school has to hapepn.
and it will.

but we have to be grown ups and sadly turn a deaf ear to Trump and DeVos and figure it out with the brains of our experts, not with the goal of reelection.


Devos got lambasted for her quip about "only .02%" will die.
Because somebody did the math and says that's 14,000+.

So I ask again.
How many are we willing to accept?

Everybody dodges the question.
They ridicule the leaders who want to put a stake in the ground.
But they don't have the guts to make a decision themselves.

The left is saying 14,000 is too many (assuming that's a correct value).
I'm saying 0 is fantasy.

So.
How many?

Trump is pushing to get the country back on track.
I'm hearing from the left that it's too soon.
But the left is woefully inept at providing anything but shelter in place.
Which I'm OK with, if you give me a means to an end. A goal. Some way of knowing when to open the hatch and declare it's safe to walk outside again. Or go to school.
Because I'll say it again. The goal can't be zero. It literally can't.

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Our current system of school is outdated... that is not up for debate... there are far better ways of doing school than the way we have been doing it forfar too long... test scores and the intelligence of the average American are proofenough of that...

the only people I've heard arguing for a resumption of old fashion school activities are really old people, people who work in the school system, or people who can't stand being at home with the children they created...

Only the second category of people have my ear... and i think if they apply themselves a little bit in the right direction they will see the benefits of distance learning far outweigh any benefits of lumping bodies together into soft core prisons where the dullest of students are coddled to the expense of the intelligent....
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tailgater wrote:
Devos got lambasted for her quip about "only .02%" will die.
Because somebody did the math and says that's 14,000+.

So I ask again.
How many are we willing to accept?

Everybody dodges the question.
They ridicule the leaders who want to put a stake in the ground.
But they don't have the guts to make a decision themselves.

The left is saying 14,000 is too many (assuming that's a correct value).
I'm saying 0 is fantasy.

So.
How many?

Trump is pushing to get the country back on track.
I'm hearing from the left that it's too soon.
But the left is woefully inept at providing anything but shelter in place.
Which I'm OK with, if you give me a means to an end. A goal. Some way of knowing when to open the hatch and declare it's safe to walk outside again. Or go to school.
Because I'll say it again. The goal can't be zero. It literally can't.


Trump has but one concern, and it's to win the election.

If shutting down all businesses would accomplish that, he would push for that...as ridiculous as that would be.

DeVos has a long resume beyond her quip.
I'm not even sure one could use the word "quip" to define comments about acceptable numbers of dead children.
"Quip" would define a statement as a clever maybe humorous observation...maybe you're right.
She thought it amusing that it is an issue that needs to be resolved.

HockeyDad Offline
#71 Posted:
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We abort more than 14,000 a year. Successfully run that gauntlet and now we care.
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I'm sending my kids back to school. They miss their friends and normal life. Sports have already started. As a baseball coach I have precautions directed by our league and sanctioning body of 6 feet between kids and utilize space outside the dugout so not all 12 are in at the same time, no shared equipment, sanitize before and after games in the dugout. Some teams do it, some don't; mine does.

We as a family take all the precautions, wear masks, sanitize areas in public before using, and they will continue to do so at school not depend on others to have it done.

I work in an environment in which I'm exposed. Been wearing a mask everywhere I go daily and applying sanitizer to my dried out hands since early March. Traffic was fantastic coming to work in late March and all of April. So far I've been negative when tested while others around me I've seen get careless come down with it. I've made my kids well aware of this.

I'm not high risk and neither are my kids so I look at it differently than those that are. My parents are high risk. I've seen them twice since this all started and kept my distance because I'm not quarantining and am potentially exposed. They have stayed as isolated as possible and only shop at 5am, and haven't been to any of the kids games where in the past they'd be hard pressed to miss one.

Fortunately my dad has been off work since this all started; unfortunately at the beginning of August he has to go back or choose to retire. He's not a teacher but is facing the same decision that a lot of individuals that are high risk are also facing regardless of profession. He's going back and going to be as thorough with precautions as possible though with recent increases in cases he's reconsidering.

The schools discussed doing e-learning which the majority of the community responded to the survey that we wanted in class learning. So the idea was floated of rotating students a few days a week to reduce the amount of students on campus. It became problematic facilitating families with multiple kids matching the schedule so they went the same days to be on the bus at the same time or older siblings being available to watch younger siblings so parents could work but were put on opposite days. I believe the cooperation was transparent an open to ideas for the fall semester. They are staggering bus arrival time and class dismissal time to reduce the amount of students in common areas and separating desk space as much as possible.

Take the precautions and keep yourself safe, but staying in isolation IMO is not the answer (unless in the high risk category). However this should have been the response from the beginning, not stay locked up like you're grounded then release everyone like a big spring break party.
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Can we just kill all the children off and not have to resume school?
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Trump has but one concern, and it's to win the election.

If shutting down all businesses would accomplish that, he would push for that...as ridiculous as that would be.

DeVos has a long resume beyond her quip.
I'm not even sure one could use the word "quip" to define comments about acceptable numbers of dead children.
"Quip" would define a statement as a clever maybe humorous observation...maybe you're right.
She thought it amusing that it is an issue that needs to be resolved.



Trump is concerned with the election. True.
That's totally unique in the political circles.
Yes. Sarcasm.

I do like the deflection, though.
Again. Sarcasm.

DeVos (am I supposed to capitalize the V?) did nothing more than quote calculated numbers.
0.02%.
She gets SLAMMED by the media. Social and MSM.

You obviously agree with the hoards and don't agree with her about the number of "acceptable" (your words, not hers) dead kids.
Fine.
Please tell us what IS acceptable.
Because if there is no number, then you have to stop complaining when those in authority do their job.



tailgater Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Our current system of school is outdated... that is not up for debate... there are far better ways of doing school than the way we have been doing it forfar too long... test scores and the intelligence of the average American are proofenough of that...

the only people I've heard arguing for a resumption of old fashion school activities are really old people, people who work in the school system, or people who can't stand being at home with the children they created...

Only the second category of people have my ear... and i think if they apply themselves a little bit in the right direction they will see the benefits of distance learning far outweigh any benefits of lumping bodies together into soft core prisons where the dullest of students are coddled to the expense of the intelligent....


First, Let me say I agree that the learning portion of schooling can be updated and improved.
But schooling isn't strictly education.
The social interaction is just as important. Some say even more important.
Also, the school day is often a needed break to allow parent/guardian to work or do other things.
Not all parents are designed to home school.
And let's not forget that for too many in this country, schools supply the only square meal a kid may get. Plus it keeps kids away from deadbeat abusers who might be staying home while spouse/SO are out working.
Sounds specific, I know. But it's unfathomably common.


Besides, if you stay home for all your schooling, who ya gonna take to the prom?
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DeVos got something right during her QnA...she said it's really a local issue...at the most basic, it'll be decided by the parents of the kids...the data about children's low positive test rate aren't reliable because school aged children aren't very often going to places and interacting with people who are positive...

some local districts in CA say they will not resume in-classroom teaching in the fall...mostly the ones in the counties where the infection rates and death rates are high and increasing...they will do distance learning for the fall semester...very little pushback by parents in districts where this decision was made

others say they will re-open with modified schedules and safety precautions in the classrooms, like fewer desks, sanitation stations, barriers between desks, etc....my son lives in a district like this, but he won't be sending his kid back to school...he'll continue sending his two kids to a private childcare facility that he's confident in,one where they test their staff often, implemented safety modifications in the classrooms, limit the numbers of kids in each room, require everybody, including the kids, to wear masks...and they offer grade level instruction...

and others say they'll re-open and resume operations as usual...


the public health pediatrics experts are telling the politicians "don't re-open the schools"



we'll know in a few months how susceptible young children are to getting sick from the virus... and worse...
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#77 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
First, Let me say I agree that the learning portion of schooling can be updated and improved.
But schooling isn't strictly education.
The social interaction is just as important. Some say even more important.
Also, the school day is often a needed break to allow parent/guardian to work or do other things.
Not all parents are designed to home school.
And let's not forget that for too many in this country, schools supply the only square meal a kid may get. Plus it keeps kids away from deadbeat abusers who might be staying home while spouse/SO are out working.
Sounds specific, I know. But it's unfathomably common.


Besides, if you stay home for all your schooling, who ya gonna take to the prom?

You just listed a bunch of stuff school was never intended and isn't designed to address...

1. A social club

2. A babysitting service

3. Another babysitting service

4. A restaurant

5. A barrier between student and parent
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#78 Posted:
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I dunno Opel.. I actually agree with tail on this. Whether it's intentional or not, most of those are important functions of the current school system. Not every household has one stay at home parent.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You just listed a bunch of stuff school was never intended and isn't designed to address...

1. A social club....

I disagree. Socialization and personal growth interacting with other people is not "a social club."
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#80 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Trump is concerned with the election. True.
That's totally unique in the political circles.
Yes. Sarcasm.

I do like the deflection, though.
Again. Sarcasm.

DeVos (am I supposed to capitalize the V?) did nothing more than quote calculated numbers.
0.02%.
She gets SLAMMED by the media. Social and MSM.

You obviously agree with the hoards and don't agree with her about the number of "acceptable" (your words, not hers) dead kids.
Fine.
Please tell us what IS acceptable.
Because if there is no number, then you have to stop complaining when those in authority do their job.




they have ceded their jobs to others as they try to cut the legs off of said others at the same time for jeopardizing that election.

opelmanta1900 Offline
#81 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I disagree. Socialization and personal growth interacting with other people is not "a social club."

what is the function of a social club?
frankj1 Offline
#82 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You just listed a bunch of stuff school was never intended and isn't designed to address...

1. A social club

2. A babysitting service

3. Another babysitting service

4. A restaurant

5. A barrier between student and parent


most of the items you are discounting by renaming are the very examples of how the generation that raised you asked for public schools to change because society and family life and even the way families earned money were forced to change.

I also agree with tail on this, and Victor too.

And I believe socialization has always been an unspoken major part of what schools have always taught without it ever being listed on the curriculum. Similar themes that successful societies employed through group education are team sports, after school clubs, music lessons...you get the idea.
frankj1 Offline
#83 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
what is the function of a social club?

you coined it...HA!
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Just Relax wrote:
I'm sending my kids back to school. They miss their friends and normal life. Sports have already started. As a baseball coach I have precautions directed by our league and sanctioning body of 6 feet between kids and utilize space outside the dugout so not all 12 are in at the same time, no shared equipment, sanitize before and after games in the dugout. Some teams do it, some don't; mine does.

We as a family take all the precautions, wear masks, sanitize areas in public before using, and they will continue to do so at school not depend on others to have it done.

I work in an environment in which I'm exposed. Been wearing a mask everywhere I go daily and applying sanitizer to my dried out hands since early March. Traffic was fantastic coming to work in late March and all of April. So far I've been negative when tested while others around me I've seen get careless come down with it. I've made my kids well aware of this.

I'm not high risk and neither are my kids so I look at it differently than those that are. My parents are high risk. I've seen them twice since this all started and kept my distance because I'm not quarantining and am potentially exposed. They have stayed as isolated as possible and only shop at 5am, and haven't been to any of the kids games where in the past they'd be hard pressed to miss one.

Fortunately my dad has been off work since this all started; unfortunately at the beginning of August he has to go back or choose to retire. He's not a teacher but is facing the same decision that a lot of individuals that are high risk are also facing regardless of profession. He's going back and going to be as thorough with precautions as possible though with recent increases in cases he's reconsidering.

The schools discussed doing e-learning which the majority of the community responded to the survey that we wanted in class learning. So the idea was floated of rotating students a few days a week to reduce the amount of students on campus. It became problematic facilitating families with multiple kids matching the schedule so they went the same days to be on the bus at the same time or older siblings being available to watch younger siblings so parents could work but were put on opposite days. I believe the cooperation was transparent an open to ideas for the fall semester. They are staggering bus arrival time and class dismissal time to reduce the amount of students in common areas and separating desk space as much as possible.

Take the precautions and keep yourself safe, but staying in isolation IMO is not the answer (unless in the high risk category). However this should have been the response from the beginning, not stay locked up like you're grounded then release everyone like a big spring break party.

not much more you can do to be the best your family could ask for
delta1 Offline
#85 Posted:
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huh...I thought most cons were all for home schooling because the public schools were not good enough...

now that Trump says we need to send our kids to school...not so much...TDS
frankj1 Offline
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most have no way of knowing how public schools are constantly changing through the years.

I don't assume it's a national thing, but in MA one cannot be certified to teach without a Masters in Ed. And then there are continuing ed mandates to maintain certification.

Teaching methods have not been static over the years either. When my kids were in school, I was astounded to learn that an entirely new method was in vogue to teach math.
When I was their age, memorization of multiplication tables followed by quizzes was the method. To this day I can't explain the way my kids were taught this basic life tool.

At some point, the public became aware of the custodial role schools played for students now known to learn in vastly different ways, kids who had been considered unteachable (blame the victim?) and suddenly the specialty field of Special Ed emerged. Dyslexia had not been discovered when I was growing up...for example.

However, tons of things taught that are not core subjects for life skills are chosen seemingly at random from district to district, especially in upper grades.
Literature could have been locally decided to be Authors of the American South in the Late 19th Century. Or not. History was generally limited to this country, but narrowed to Columbus through WWII from a Eurocentric point of view...totally ignoring the experiences and contributions of the ever growing contributions of minorities, and on and on.

Computer sciences? What? This could go forever.

But sometimes it might be more important to teach kids how to learn than what they specifically learn in school. I still learn, thanks to having been taught how.

There's plenty of opportunity to learn what and how to educate from what we are living through. But it probably is best to leave it to each district/state. Maybe classroom school is not the only option, but public education is but one choice for parents.
rfenst Offline
#87 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
But sometimes it might be more important to teach kids how to learn than what they specifically learn in school. I still learn, thanks to having been taught how.


Bingo!


In our home, we have ingrained in our kids that elementary school is practice for middle school. That middle school is practice for high school. High school determines what college you attend. College is about your first few post-grad jobs or what profession you are in and that graduate education is a big "leg-up" in today's world. It's all about learning! Serious nachas, eh?
Buckwheat Offline
#88 Posted:
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Yes and No. I think in some places it would be ridiculous and hazardous to resume in person schooling. fog
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
huh...I thought most cons were all for home schooling because the public schools were not good enough...

now that Trump says we need to send our kids to school...not so much...TDS



Sad part is, you really did think that.

What's if feel like to let your partisan dementia dictate your every thought?
And by partisan dementia, I'm not talking about Biden.

victor809 Offline
#90 Posted:
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Tail's Tony Stark!

You know... Irony Man...
Speyside Offline
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In the end this will be difficult, but it will be up to parents. Also, once a school opens the cost of proper sanitization will be non sustainable. In many districts teachers will strike, if not nationally.
rfenst Offline
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Speyside wrote:
In the end this will be difficult, but it will be up to parents. Also, once a school opens the cost of proper sanitization will be non sustainable. In many districts teachers will strike, if not nationally.

Local schools around Orlando have issued orders for hybrid openings: In class with masks, online or both. Seems like the best possible plan for the students and their parents.
victor809 Offline
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Columbia is doing the same. Giving parents the option
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rfenst wrote:
I am ashamed to say that Florida is forging ahead with plans to open schools four weeks from now. We have had record setting days of new covid diagnosis with no end in sight. Nearly 25% of our front-line health care workers have tested positive in recent days. Our governor is solely using the Trump Covid playbook and is marching ahead, full steam against public health experts' advice.

There seems to be the possibility some of the numbers are skewed, particularly the positivity rate as some of the labs are not reporting negative tests. Not saying you don't have a problem but it may not be nearly as bad as you have been led to believe.
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#95 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
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Absolutism is a subtle trap. Do kids have to go to school to "go to school"?

People are going to continue getting sick and dying, nothing we can do about that, But, we can minimize the risks, Wearing a mask wasn't supposed to be seen as absolute protection, it's one way to minimize exposure. Look at how that turned out. It's become about FREEDOM! and politics.It's STILL a hot button topic. Does everyone remember the virus? It's killing people and causing permanent damage to people's health. You can get it, survive it and then get it again. You may not get so lucky the second time around. Look at the infection rates in the states that opened up. Imagine what will happen to those numbers when we start sending kids back to schools all over the country. We should be doing everything we can to minimize risk. Is my convenience more important than one random persons life?

Kids have to socialize, we need to get the economy going again etc, etc. Isn't this supposed to be the greatest country to ever exist? We can't find new ways of handling things and innovating? These things aren't worth investing money in? That investment won't create new industries, business opportunities and jobs? It always has before. It's also always changed the way we live. For the better usually.

This virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It's extremely good at spreading but, not as lethal as it could be.... for now. Mutations are inevitable(they've already happened). We have no way of knowing if it will turn into something like the Spanish Flu. There are 1000's more viruses out there that we've known about for decades, they just haven't jumped to people, YET. This is our new reality. We either face it and do what we can or we sit back and say "let nature sort itself out" and act like we have been. Innovate or die has taken on a whole new meaning.

Before replying please notice I used the words "minimize risk". There are no absolutes.
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#96 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
Krazeehorse wrote:
There seems to be the possibility some of the numbers are skewed, particularly the positivity rate as some of the labs are not reporting negative tests. Not saying you don't have a problem but it may not be nearly as bad as you have been led to believe.



Yeah... wait! What? Skewed HOW? We know our population numbers and we have some idea of how many people have caught the virus. What would reporting the number of negative tests give us? I could test negative today and catch it tomorrow. This happens all the time. Especially with healthcare workers on the front lines dealing with this pandemic. There was just a story in the news about a nurse who got her tests results back as negative and a day or so later she had it. Please explain how this skews anything?
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#97 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,211
opelmanta1900 wrote:
what is the function of a social club?

and as if on command, an answer appeared on the front page of this morning's Boston Globe...

an emerging White Supremacist pile of chit has taken the cute name of Nationalist Social Club. Swastikas et al.
I say "cute" because they must know that so many right wingers make themselves feel warm and comfy by convincing themselves that Nazis were/are lefty commies due to the word Socialist in their 20th century Political Party name.

so they went with Social Club instead.
Party on Garth.
They're like geniuses.

They have been emboldened, and not due to a beer summit.
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#98 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
tailgater wrote:
Sad part is, you really did think that.

What's if feel like to let your partisan dementia dictate your every thought?
And by partisan dementia, I'm not talking about Biden.


partisan dementia? you musta been asleep when the GOP has attacked public education for the past several decades...the push for vouchers, charters, private schools...


https://rethinkingschools.org/special-collections/why-the-right-hates-public-education/


https://principiapilot.org/education-reform-conservativeliberal-perspectives/
tailgater Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
delta1 wrote:
partisan dementia? you musta been asleep when the GOP has attacked public education for the past several decades...the push for vouchers, charters, private schools...


https://rethinkingschools.org/special-collections/why-the-right-hates-public-education/


https://principiapilot.org/education-reform-conservativeliberal-perspectives/


Public education is a joke.
The teacher's union has ruined more good teachers than any GOP initiative.
I personally wrestle with the concept of school choice, because it doesn't give towns the proper incentive to improve their own product (education system). But I'm a huge fan of charter schools that the democrats fight tooth and nail.
In fact, the fervor with which public schools/democrats/teachers unions fight against the Charters proves beyond a doubt that they are not at all interested in actually educating the kids. Not one bit.

The better charter schools teach the kids better, for less money, and with higher college acceptance rates.
No wonder the public schools want the government to abolish them.

I know a lot of good teachers. It's a shame they subscribe to such a horrid leadership.

tailgater Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
And let me add, the charter schools that don't perform well are simply closed.
Not by a governing board, but by capitalism.
Nobody goes there, then nobody pays them and they close.

Again, no wonder the public schools fear them.
Maybe they think it's a bad precedent.



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