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Cutting covid cases in half
xibbumbero Offline
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Cutting covid testing by one half will cut cases in half,so says Dr. Doofus. By his math...iffin we stop altogether,covid cases will cease to exist. Oh Lawd,we all gonna die! X Blink
Whistlebritches Offline
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xibbumbero wrote:
Cutting covid testing by one half will cut cases in half,so says Dr. Doofus. By his math...iffin we stop altogether,covid cases will cease to exist. Oh Lawd,we all gonna die! X Blink



More of your fictional nonsense.......are you bored tonight?

tonygraz Offline
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TDS strikes again.
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If we don't test there would be 0 cases. Duhhhh.
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Do we cut them lengthwise or across the middle?

Either way, I'm willing to give this a shot.
tailgater Offline
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this is quite funny.

When this all started, test kits were largely unavailable.
Eventually, kits were obtained and states generally handled the distribution within their respective borders.
So there were significant increases in the daily test results.
Which resulted in a similar increase in the number of Covid cases.

And here's the funny part, so pay attention: The press were horrified! And those who believe the MSM were terrified. And businesses that were closed to flatten the curve (remember how naive we were?) were mandated to stay closed. Due to the SPIKE.

Yes, the President said something stupid.
But it's literally the same thing you'all fell for back a few months.


The view is cloudy here in Massachusetts for most folks.
Yes, we're doing much better. Cases are down. We're handling it. For now.
But SOOOOO many of my liberal friends are pointing fingers at Florida (for instance) and saying how stupid they must be.

Last time I checked, Covid deaths per 1MM in MA were almost 6X those in Florida. (1250 to 250).
This is the virus moving. It's not Darwin.
And let's be honest: Floridians weren't ridiculing Massachusetts residents while we were dying from this thing.

frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
"So there were significant increases in the daily test results.
Which resulted in a similar increase in the number of Covid cases."

This is incorrect, It was not really the total number of covid cases that the tests discovered, but rather the number of identified covid cases.

I'd assume this ruins that joke, but I think the punchline is if all we learned was the number of identified cases, the number of covid cases in reality is well more than what the tests alone identified since vastly more people were and are still untested.

Worse still, your negative test today has no bearing on next Friday.

But there is a value in the test results. A person good wif numbahs might add that what can be learned from repeated testings and results would be a strong idea of the percentage of unknown positives in a geographic area...that info, if done correctly would likely inform us of spikes, so-called curve flattenings, and ebbings.

And that info would help in setting safety policy. Florida et al ignored their data.

What's worse than shutting down?
Shutting down twice.
In a clown suit.
CelticBomber Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
tailgater wrote:
"So there were significant increases in the daily test results.
Which resulted in a similar increase in the number of Covid cases."

This is incorrect, It was not really the total number of covid cases that the tests discovered, but rather the number of identified covid cases.

I'd assume this ruins that joke, but I think the punchline is if all we learned was the number of identified cases, the number of covid cases in reality is well more than what the tests alone identified since vastly more people were and are still untested.

Worse still, your negative test today has no bearing on next Friday.

But there is a value in the test results. A person good wif numbahs might add that what can be learned from repeated testings and results would be a strong idea of the percentage of unknown positives in a geographic area...that info, if done correctly would likely inform us of spikes, so-called curve flattenings, and ebbings.

And that info would help in setting safety policy. Florida et al ignored their data.

What's worse than shutting down?
Shutting down twice.
In a clown suit.


A thoughtful and reasonable response... when did you sell your soul to the main stream media Frank?

As for the clown suit remark.... Clown college's across the country would like a word with you. Prepare to be cancelled! When they come for you DO NOT smell the flower on their lapel. It's a trap.
rfenst Offline
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South Florida is a rotting disaster. Orlando and Jacksonville are in trouble. IDK about Tampa, but DMV might. If not Le Hockey could?
HockeyDad Offline
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Most of Tampa is dead. Just piles of bodies in the streets. (That may be a slight exaggeration)
ZRX1200 Offline
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Tampa is 98.2% dead from COVID 19 Chinese Bat Kung Flu
xibbumbero Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
More of your fictional nonsense.......are you bored tonight?



Video of Dr. Doofus saying as much dispels your fictional nonsense perception. Shame on you
Not bored...askeered having a potus that thinks like that,leading this country. X Frying pan
Mr. Jones Offline
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WHAT CHEETO DECREES...


SHOULD NEVER BE QUESTIONED...

JUST ASK MELANIA
Whistlebritches Offline
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xibbumbero wrote:
Video of Dr. Doofus saying as much dispels your fictional nonsense perception. Shame on you
Not bored...askeered having a potus that thinks like that,leading this country. X Frying pan



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/trump-says-us-would-have-half-the-number-of-coronavirus-cases-if-it-did-half-the-testing.html


Read it all.........I know you're not that stupid
tonygraz Offline
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I decided that the link was idiotic just my reading it. It's hard to believe anyone is stupid enough to believe the crap Dr. Doofus pumps out.
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rfenst wrote:
South Florida is a rotting disaster. Orlando and Jacksonville are in trouble. IDK about Tampa, but DMV might. If not Le Hockey could?


C'mon...the Orlando Sentinel busted open the scam late yesterday.


https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-florida-labs-not-reporting-20200714-va2fuxgcsbfc5dsuba5gcni2u4-story.html

And then...

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-positivity-rate-florida-paints-rosy-pandemic-picture-20200715-cpwwngaefzdnpitbs7buh7zsei-story.html

Today on the radio the lead investigator stated he's got calls into 5 South Florida counties to see if it's the same thing there. Theres a massive leap from 9.8% to 98%. Who is running the data? Jethro Bodine? Cypherin' fool.

I have relatives and friends in healthcare and they're being put on forced vacations. Hospitals aren't full nor crowded and most elective surgeries are not being performed.
Mr. Jones Offline
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DMV OWNS A "CEMENT POND"...

AND IS A DOUBLE NAUGHT SPY...

YES HE IS...
rfenst Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
C'mon...the Orlando Sentinel busted open the scam late yesterday.


https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-florida-labs-not-reporting-20200714-va2fuxgcsbfc5dsuba5gcni2u4-story.html

And then...

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-positivity-rate-florida-paints-rosy-pandemic-picture-20200715-cpwwngaefzdnpitbs7buh7zsei-story.html

Today on the radio the lead investigator stated he's got calls into 5 South Florida counties to see if it's the same thing there. Theres a massive leap from 9.8% to 98%. Who is running the data? Jethro Bodine? Cypherin' fool.

I have relatives and friends in healthcare and they're being put on forced vacations. Hospitals aren't full nor crowded and most elective surgeries are not being performed.

Those articles say something entirely different. They are about skewed rate of infection, not the total number of known infections, which has set records a few times over the last week. Re-read the cites you posted. Neither say there is not a big problem in Florida, but only that some labs may have not been communicating normal test results (which of course is unacceptable).
tonygraz Offline
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Now that the statistics will be going to the white house and not the CDC, the virus will probably "miraculously" disappear. Now we can increase testing and decrease the infection rate at will. We are all going to die !
HockeyDad Offline
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Pretty much guaranteed you’re all going to die.
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U.S. seven-day average of new coronavirus cases surpass 60,000 for the first time

KEY POINTS
1. More than a third of U.S. states reported record highs in daily new cases Monday, based on an average over the previous seven days.
2. On Monday, 14 states also reached record highs average hospitalization numbers, including Texas, California and Arizona.


The U.S. for the first time surpassed more than 60,000 new coronavirus cases on Monday, based on an average of new cases per day over the previous seven days, according to a CNBC analysis of data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

Across the country, more than a third of U.S. states reported record highs in daily new cases, based on a seven-day moving average, according to the data. Twenty states, including Florida and Georgia, broke records on Monday with an average of 10,855 and 3,358 new cases, respectively.

As the number of Covid-19 cases continue to surge in the U.S., labs across the nation are falling behind in processing and delivering test results, according two of the country’s biggest lab diagnostics companies.

“We attribute this demand primarily to the rapid, continuing spread of COVID-19 infections across the nation but particularly in the South, Southwest and West regions of the country,” Quest Diagnostics said in a statement.

The lab company said it can now perform up to 125,000 tests per day, roughly double its capacity compared with two months ago.

Despite the dramatic increase, demand for testing is “increasing even faster,” the company said.

When adjusting for population size, Florida now has the fastest growing outbreak in the U.S., followed by Arizona, Louisiana and South Carolina.

The average daily Covid-19 cases per 100,000 residents in Florida and Arizona have caught up to New York during the height of its epidemic in April,
according to the CNBC analysis of Johns Hopkins data.

On April 10, New York averaged 51 daily new cases per 100,000 people, according to the data. Similarly, Florida saw nearly 51 average new cases on July 13 and Arizona reported 53 daily new cases per capita on July 6. The numbers show the two states are now on par with New York’s outbreak in April.

However, some public officials warn that the increased testing capacity now may be skewing those numbers. New York wasn’t able to do nearly as much testing in April as many states do now. As a result, many cases may have gone undiagnosed and under reported then.

Hospitalizations across the country, however, continue to hit new record highs indicating widespread community transmission, epidemiologists say.

On Monday, 14 states broke grim records in seven-day average hospitalization numbers, including Texas, California and Arizona, according to a CNBC analysis of data from the Covid Tracking Project.

Hospitalizations in Texas surged nearly 31% on Monday, based on a seven-day moving average compared with the prior week there . The state also hit a new high in average daily new deaths, reporting approximately 86 deaths per day over the past seven days as of Monday, according to CNBC’s analysis of data compiled by Hopkins.

The World Health Organization officials said last week that it shouldn’t “be a surprise” to see the global death toll increase again as the pandemic shows signs of acceleration.

“Some of this may be lag, we may see deaths start to climb again because we’ve only really experienced this rapid increase in cases over the last five to six weeks,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s emergencies program, said.

“I don’t think it should be a surprise if the deaths start to rise again. It will be very unfortunate, but it may happen,” he said.
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They're just kiddin.... Mellow
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/


Like HockeyDad said...there would be bodies stacked up like cord wood.

Where is that happening?

https://youtu.be/_8mduTEvnU0
frankj1 Offline
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are cordwood-like stacks really the litmus test?
tonygraz Offline
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No - some people would still not wear a mask or social distance.
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m still looking to snatch up some cheap Florida real estate.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
are cordwood-like stacks really the litmus test?



Well, the "data" isn't it either.

Hospitals have their paws in the jar grabbing the Covid money and its biting back now. They get more if they call it a positive. They score big when you're put on a ventilator. Time and again we hear of people getting their tele medical doctors costs waived if they allow to be called a positive. What is the death rate now? Florida should be a ghost town with zero tourists...yet Disney World is packed out with new Covid restrictions. Beaches packed out and restaurants filled. Know what you'll find in common with all of them? Out of state license plates. Know what you dont see around any hospital I've driven by in Central Florida? Full parking lots. Matter of fact its sparse.

So, what do you want to go by? What your tv tells you or what your own eyes see?
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Well, the "data" isn't it either.

Hospitals have their paws in the jar grabbing the Covid money and its biting back now. They get more if they call it a positive. They score big when you're put on a ventilator. Time and again we hear of people getting their tele medical doctors costs waived if they allow to be called a positive. What is the death rate now? Florida should be a ghost town with zero tourists...yet Disney World is packed out with new Covid restrictions. Beaches packed out and restaurants filled. Know what you'll find in common with all of them? Out of state license plates. Know what you dont see around any hospital I've driven by in Central Florida? Full parking lots. Matter of fact its sparse.

So, what do you want to go by? What your tv tells you or what your own eyes see?

the hospitals here have lots of available parking too, or at least did during the height of infections, because no visitors were allowed in the building!
same thing at nursing homes and assisted living.
That is easing up here, though.

I get money. But wouldn't the hospital that made whistlebritches wait months before performing open heart surgery on him have made tons more on him (and scores of others) than on a ventilator case or 10?

are you saying there are inaccuracies in counts, or widespread conspiracy level fraudulent misrepresentation tantamount to a hoax regarding this virus?
I mean, we were among the last nations to have it go, um, viral. Were we just too stupid to see the opportunities to make a killing?

I don't buy it. Ask danm, and he doesn't even live near beaches and techno-pop night clubs.
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well, Damn does live near a pretty big lake... I've been to a couple beaches there... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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There was prolly a birthday party at the lake for some 10 year old kid and through contact tracing they discovered it caused 4500 infections.
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he must look like hell.... Mellow
rfenst Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/


Like HockeyDad said...there would be bodies stacked up like cord wood.

Where is that happening?

https://youtu.be/_8mduTEvnU0

USATODAY's story is about data reporting error that I do not doubt. I think that is your point, right? Reports can't be trusted?
Stogie1020 Offline
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Texas seems to be having some pretty serious reporting issues, too.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/texas-government-counting-every-covid-positive-hospital-case

Get admitted to the ER for a bone fracture or a heart arrhythmia, happen to get a covid test while there (even if you are 100% asymptomatic), blammo, you are a COVD hospitalization number.

Also, hospital CEO says the ICU is generally (pre covid) at 80-90% capacity, that;s how they run it. The alarm is not warranted according to the CEO.
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I mean... If you get tested and are positive, does it matter if you went in for a bone fracture or not? This is something they need to know to be able to avoid infecting their personnel and the rest of the hospital.
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Does it even matter?

Testing is going so smooth in Fla.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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rfenst wrote:
USATODAY's story is about data reporting error that I do not doubt. I think that is your point, right? Reports can't be trusted?



Correct. It's all been gamed. Its crap. We're being lied to.
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victor809 wrote:
I mean... If you get tested and are positive, does it matter if you went in for a bone fracture or not? This is something they need to know to be able to avoid infecting their personnel and the rest of the hospital.


You missed the point. You didn't go or were admitted for COVID, you went there for a completely different reason but you show up in the statistics as someone being hospitalized for COVID.

More $ for the hospital and another number in the column for COVID hospitalization.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
You missed the point. You didn't go or were admitted for COVID, you went there for a completely different reason but you show up in the statistics as someone being hospitalized for COVID.

More $ for the hospital and another number in the column for COVID hospitalization.


Do you really think hospitals are profiteering from Covid?

Total infections, rather than hospital admissions, is my standard for determining how widespread the disease is. Total admissions, on the other hand is one of several statistics that relates to the severity of the disease.
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I've heard that a substantial stay can cost around $ 90,000, and a recent hospital study here of covid patients here showed that of the covid patients that had no heart problems at admission, 49% developed heart problems after treatment.
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I'm just gonna say that the deniers are wrong.
CelticBomber Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm just gonna say that the deniers are wrong.


Hah!
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
tailgater wrote:
"So there were significant increases in the daily test results.
Which resulted in a similar increase in the number of Covid cases."

This is incorrect, It was not really the total number of covid cases that the tests discovered, but rather the number of identified covid cases.

I'd assume this ruins that joke, but I think the punchline is if all we learned was the number of identified cases, the number of covid cases in reality is well more than what the tests alone identified since vastly more people were and are still untested.

Worse still, your negative test today has no bearing on next Friday.

But there is a value in the test results. A person good wif numbahs might add that what can be learned from repeated testings and results would be a strong idea of the percentage of unknown positives in a geographic area...that info, if done correctly would likely inform us of spikes, so-called curve flattenings, and ebbings.

And that info would help in setting safety policy. Florida et al ignored their data.

What's worse than shutting down?
Shutting down twice.
In a clown suit.


Never underestimate the clown suit.

Please explain your second paragraph. Number of covid cases versus number of identified covid cases. Not sure what you mean.

And none of it was a joke. Especially the deaths per million. No way to twist that one. Massachusetts is 6 times more deadly. Make adjustments for time frames and opposite curve directions (MA vs FL) and when the dust settles it's more than probable that Massachusetts will remain significantly worse.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Most of Tampa is dead. Just piles of bodies in the streets. (That may be a slight exaggeration)


I told you a million times not to exaggerate.
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Do you really think hospitals are profiteering from Covid?

Total infections, rather than hospital admissions, is my standard for determining how widespread the disease is. Total admissions, on the other hand is one of several statistics that relates to the severity of the disease.


Right.
And if you're in for bone spurs, but get labeled as a covid patient, then the total admissions figure gets skewed.
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rfenst wrote:
Do you really think hospitals are profiteering from Covid?

Total infections, rather than hospital admissions, is my standard for determining how widespread the disease is. Total admissions, on the other hand is one of several statistics that relates to the severity of the disease.


I'm pretty sure the health care industry is not doing things out of the kindness of their heart.
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Bucky... You're making that statement with no evidence. Just your belief that they're claiming a broken leg as a covid case to get more $$.

But remember, if you're hospitalized with a broken leg, but also have covid, they have to treat you differently. Their people have to use different procedures to ensure they don't spread the covid to other patients. Hell, they may put you in a different, more expensive, wing (depending on the hospital). That all costs money.

It's not like the covid beds would go empty otherwise. There's plenty of new cases coming in to fill them.
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tailgater wrote:
Never underestimate the clown suit.

Please explain your second paragraph. Number of covid cases versus number of identified covid cases. Not sure what you mean.

And none of it was a joke. Especially the deaths per million. No way to twist that one. Massachusetts is 6 times more deadly. Make adjustments for time frames and opposite curve directions (MA vs FL) and when the dust settles it's more than probable that Massachusetts will remain significantly worse.

I meant that the number of people tested is vastly less than the total population, so the test results can only reveal the number of known positives of those tested...which would also be far less than the actual total of population infected yet never tested.

Add to that that a negative result today could change tomorrow so it makes sense that the actual total dwarfs
the identified-by-test number.

big real total...vs...number limited to identification by test.

I agree it's not funny. Just appropriated your sarcasm of something like "here's the humorous part" into my reply.

No harm, no foul. Didn't think you were kidding either.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I meant that the number of people tested is vastly less than the total population, so the test results can only reveal the number of known positives of those tested...which would also be far less than the actual total of population infected yet never tested.

Add to that that a negative result today could change tomorrow so it makes sense that the actual total dwarfs
the identified-by-test number.

big real total...vs...number limited to identification by test.

I agree it's not funny. Just appropriated your sarcasm of something like "here's the humorous part" into my reply.

No harm, no foul. Didn't think you were kidding either.


Never. EVER. Think I'm not kidding.

Bad odds.

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just cuz I know you're smiling doesn't mean you're not serious!
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https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death
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