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Fascism alive and well.
Speyside Offline
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The people the feds picked up in Portland are still unaccounted for. What happened to due process? You Trump fanboys good with this?
HockeyDad Offline
#2 Posted:
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Naaaa...they’re accounted for. That’s how they did interviews and stuff.
tonygraz Offline
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Trump is getting his storm troopers ready in case he loses the election so he can become fuhrer.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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How you think they scoop confidential informants up outta dangerous areas?
zody Offline
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Speyside wrote:
The people the feds picked up in Portland are still unaccounted for. What happened to due process? You Trump fanboys good with this?



Frakk 'em, get em a coupon or something.
Accounting is a crutch, wrong place, wrong time, wrong frakking ciminals.
Mr. Jones Offline
#6 Posted:
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All hail "eL DuchE doNALD"

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I support that man 100%..
.
I owe Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmm...

No GREENLIGHTING continuation on Mr. HonEEEEesSSSS

HEY SPEY,

GROW UP
&
GET WITH IT...

IN THE 1980'S ...PEOPLES DISAPPEARED REGULARLY....
WITH LITTLE ?'S ASKED...
YOU SHOULDA BeEn thERE...
It was exciting...
Screeeewwww the FBI/ S. S.G. DIVISION FELON CRIMINALS
ZRX1200 Offline
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Most of them were booked and released, curious where you’re getting this “haven’t been heard from” stuff.....

Speyside Offline
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I haven't found anything about the ones hauled off in the unmarked vans my the unmarked feds, purportedly HLS. Could you put up a link or 2 Z? Thanks.
Speyside Offline
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All I can find is the booking and release of 1 person. The official release says the feds identified themselves and were identifiable, nothing is mentioned of unmarked vans, so I am looking for any information about the others, such as the guy in the video.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Oh that guy is in Gitmo
HockeyDad Offline
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Speyside wrote:
All I can find is the booking and release of 1 person. The official release says the feds identified themselves and were identifiable, nothing is mentioned of unmarked vans, so I am looking for any information about the others, such as the guy in the video.


Do you have a list of their names?
ZRX1200 Offline
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ACAB
there are no good cops
All protesters are good protesters
Kill cops
There is no trespassing on stolen land
Shoot cops
Jeffery Epstein was better than the founding fathers
Oink your last pig
Good cops are dead cops
Cops don’t protect us we do
Abolish America
R.I.P elk (this was on the monument of Elk park after they burned it)

Just a sampling of who you’re r listening to.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Ok boyzzzzzz....

What we have here in Portland are FRIGGIN P.A.I.D. IN CASH
BY SOROS A B.L.M. TERRORISTS OPERATING ON U.S. SOIL...
THESE ARE ALL BIG BOYS playing a very dangerous game...
They knew the consequences...
Terrorist s have no rights, especially in the US homeland.

I hope homeland security beat the crap out of them and got answers...then shipped them to level 3?or 4? In DULCE NEW MEXICO FOR FURTHER INTERROGATION BY MIND READING
ALIENS AND THE MEN IN BLacK 7 FOOT 6 INCH BALD QBALL PRICKS (THE SAME F**KS WHO WEre ON THE Waiting room perimeter at HERshey Medical ceNter when I was waiting for info on my ex-wife s breast cancer surgery...
In jULy 2013)
ZRX1200 Offline
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These are true believers, I seriously doubt this is all GS $
fiddler898 Offline
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Wonder what the Navy guy was "booked" for? Resisting a baton attack with broken bones? When Trump talks about fascist thugs he’s looking in the mirror.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Probably for not following a lawful order to vacate an area I’d imagine.

He went there with the intent to ask the federal police what they were doing.......

“I don’t know feeling cute, might go to the riot zone and ask the riot cops why they doing what they’re doing”

It’s a wonder he wasn’t in the Corps with the crayon eaters
tonygraz Offline
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What about the naked woman that confronted the Feds ? Drafter hasn't mentioned it was going to make the TV news.
frankj1 Offline
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the Little Green Men

also, I know what the deal is with people being picked off the street and whisked away in unmarked vans...
they are the new wave Tommy the Travelers. Operatives that infiltrate peaceful actions and incite violence and are being returned to HQ

Yeah, it's a theory, but it's based on history, both here and under Putin.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Don't we have unmarked cop cars patrolling nearly every city of any significant size and highways all the time. Don't they pull people over for various infractions on a daily basis?

If you are breaking the law, is it unheard of to be apprehend by unmarked cop cars or cops patrolling in plain clothing?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Frank they’re arresting specific people, one was verified as an arsonist.
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank they’re arresting specific people, one was verified as an arsonist.

I'll have to tweak my theory...j/k.

Some specifics aside, aren't any Trump supporters concerned about a Federal government where armed men in unmarked vehicles wearing unmarked clothing and no identification can kidnap citizens who may or may not even be suspected of any criminal activity much beyond being in proximity?

Or even IF they are considered criminals? Let's face it, the POTUS has alleged all kinds of groups as consisting of unlawful bad hombres even before being elected...is that all we need to do this?

Verified (I am taking that to mean convicted) arsonists can be dealt with by State, County, City, or District Police Forces.

Happy now maybe, but boy will that change with a different ruling class in power.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Don't we have unmarked cop cars patrolling nearly every city of any significant size and highways all the time. Don't they pull people over for various infractions on a daily basis?

If you are breaking the law, is it unheard of to be apprehend by unmarked cop cars or cops patrolling in plain clothing?

unmarked cars from local police do patrol and issue tickets. They show ID after pulling you over which is done with blue flashing lights and sirens if needed.

They do not snatch people off the street under mysterious conditions and they DO NOT work for the Fed.
Abrignac Offline
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Robert, can you shed some light on something for me?

Does the Constitution provide the President an avenue to deploy Federal troops during unrest? I’m not looking to debate appropriateness, just whether the Constitution allows such.

What does case law say?
rfenst Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Robert, can you shed some light on something for me?

Does the Constitution provide the President an avenue to deploy Federal troops during unrest? I’m not looking to debate appropriateness, just whether the Constitution allows such.

What does case law say?


I don't know about the constitution but, president's authority to do so is at least codified in federal law, which also gives examples of reason he can deploy and go in for. I don't know what the case law is. If you want, I will gladly read-up and then I'll be able to better answer your question. LMK
ZRX1200 Offline
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Frank.

#21 good grief.....yeah I’ve never posted any concerns about federal power here.....at least the commie was arrested and not set up and murdered. We’ve SEEN it here in Oregon.

Again, the irony of the Johnny come lately’s pretending Trump is isolated is seriously making me lose respect for humanities brains. One doesn’t have to “support” Cheeto to appreciate the scaled down pointing out he’s done to those who see it.

Unreal.
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frankj1 wrote:
armed men in unmarked vehicles wearing unmarked clothing and no identification can kidnap citizens who may or may not even be suspected of any criminal activity much beyond being in proximity?



that was me.. there was a thing and you weren't answering... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank.

#21 good grief.....yeah I’ve never posted any concerns about federal power here.....at least the commie was arrested and not set up and murdered. We’ve SEEN it here in Oregon.

Again, the irony of the Johnny come lately’s pretending Trump is isolated is seriously making me lose respect for humanities brains. One doesn’t have to “support” Cheeto to appreciate the scaled down pointing out he’s done to those who see it.

Unreal.

Trump isn't isolated.
But we can only try to stop chit in the present, those of us who know history.
And you do.
frankj1 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
that was me.. there was a thing and you weren't answering... Mellow

I saw a missed call...ever hear of voice mail?
Man, I look stoopid.
Abrignac Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I don't know about the constitution but, president's authority to do so is at least codified in federal law, which also gives examples of reason he can deploy and go in for. I don't know what the case law is. If you want, I will gladly read-up and then I'll be able to better answer your question. LMK


Not necessary. You’ve confirmed what I suspected. Trump uses powers vested to his office, people get butthurt and accuse him of being 1000 kinds of evil because they disagree with a lawful directive.
Abrignac Offline
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Speyside wrote:
The people the feds picked up in Portland are still unaccounted for. What happened to due process? You Trump fanboys good with this?


Care to explain what about you op is fascist?
delta1 Offline
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Trump's deployment of federal troops to "hotspots" in Dem cities is nothing more than election/campaign theater in the vein of "wag the dog"...to distract from the daily bad news of the pandemic that have sunk his chances in November...

the problem is that this has not resulted in a restoration of the peace...instead, he has increased confrontations and potential for violence as more protesters have reacted to federal troops in their hometowns and have taken to the streets to protest their unwanted, unrequested and unneeded presence...

defenders of this decision would be singing a different tune if a Dem POTUS made the same "lawful directive" to "restore law and order" in a red state...state's rights, abuse of power, taking away citizen's Constitutional rights by force...

this is a cynical use of executive authority to affect an election in a self-dealing manner, irregardless of potential deadly consequences
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has anybody figured out what these so called protesters want..?? Mellow
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Trump's deployment of federal troops to "hotspots" in Dem cities is nothing more than election/campaign theater in the vein of "wag the dog"...to distract from the daily bad news of the pandemic that have sunk his chances in November...

the problem is that this has not resulted in a restoration of the peace...instead, he has increased confrontations and potential for violence as more protesters have reacted to federal troops in their hometowns and have taken to the streets to protest their unwanted, unrequested and unneeded presence...

defenders of this decision would be singing a different tune if a Dem POTUS made the same "lawful directive" to "restore law and order" in a red state...state's rights, abuse of power, taking away citizen's Constitutional rights by force...

this is a cynical use of executive authority to affect an election in a self-dealing manner, irregardless of potential deadly consequences


Would it be fair to say that if local authorities had fulfilled the duties of their offices there would not have been a perceived need for federal assistance?

Btw, can you point out any fascism with federal troops being deployed?
Abrignac Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
has anybody figured out what these so called protesters want..?? Mellow


Free Nike’s?
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Would it be fair to say that if local authorities had fulfilled the duties of their offices there would not have been a perceived need for federal assistance?

Btw, can you point out any fascism with federal troops being deployed?


here's a definition of "fascism": knock yourself out...

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Robert, can you shed some light on something for me?

Does the Constitution provide the President an avenue to deploy Federal troops during unrest? I’m not looking to debate appropriateness, just whether the Constitution allows such.

What does case law say?


It's not specifically written into the Constitution. Some POTUS have deployed troops on US soil, under the Insurrection Act of 1807, but that has led to challenges and, in practice during Hurricane Katrina, confusion over who commends the troops.

The 10th Amendment seems to apply:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

seems if the Constitution doesn't specify a power or authority to the POTUS, then it is reserved by the States...
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I heard George Bush hated black peoples... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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Sure, Trump has no constitutional authority to do so. 10th amendment stuff. Plain and simple this is illegal. My only question is concerning federal buildings in states. Is the land the building is on federal or state? This would give federal troops the legal right to defend the building on building grounds if the ground is federal, though the off grounds actions including shooting form on grounds to off grounds are illegal. It would seem a grey area to me if it is legal or not for federal troops to travel on state grounds to reach a federal building.
HockeyDad Offline
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It seems the official liberal line is to pull the Federal law enforcement out (because Trump).

OK, pull them out and evacuate the Federal buildings. Portland PD and Portland FD will watch the buildings burn.

Option 1: is this now an insurrection?

Option 2: don’t rebuild. Transfer the court and all Federal services out of Portland. Now when people need federal services like Social Security they will need to drive a bit.
ZRX1200 Offline
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#thehypocrisyoftheleft
rfenst Offline
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Bucky, what do you think we should be doing as a nation to slow/stop the threat of the virus?
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Abrignac wrote:
Not necessary. You’ve confirmed what I suspected. Trump uses powers vested to his office, people get butthurt and accuse him of being 1000 kinds of evil because they disagree with a lawful directive.

You relies that everything Hitler did was by lawful directive, right?

But the German people did not get butt hurt - cause they rounded up them that spoke out....
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Brewha wrote:
You relies that everything Hitler did was by lawful directive, right?

But the German people did not get butt hurt - cause they rounded up them that spoke out....

this is smart... you and Anthony should have a smart-off...

FYI, word has it water was a favorite beverage of the nazis... I'm sure you can weaponize that against Trump in your upcoming genius battle...
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HockeyDad wrote:
It seems the official liberal line is to pull the Federal law enforcement out (because Trump).

OK, pull them out and evacuate the Federal buildings. Portland PD and Portland FD will watch the buildings burn.

Option 1: is this now an insurrection?

Option 2: don’t rebuild. Transfer the court and all Federal services out of Portland. Now when people need federal services like Social Security they will need to drive a bit.




Ahhhhh...DONKEY PUNCH!!!!!
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
here's a definition of "fascism": knock yourself out...

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe


Why thank you. Let’s see.

1) Define far right? What threshold separates far right from right. Or is anything right of center car right?
2) Define ultranationalism. What separates ultra from plain? See above.
3) What examples can you highlight that shows suppression of opposition? Slippery slow if anything?
4) Ditto for strong regimentation of society.

Please be specific. Otherwise, it an opinion consistent with political talking points.
tailgater Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard George Bush hated black peoples... Mellow


That outta be Kanye's election motto.

tonygraz Offline
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He could also use Ross Perot's campaign song.
delta1 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Why thank you. Let’s see.

1) Define far right? What threshold separates far right from right. Or is anything right of center car right?
2) Define ultranationalism. What separates ultra from plain? See above.
3) What examples can you highlight that shows suppression of opposition? Slippery slow if anything?
4) Ditto for strong regimentation of society.

Please be specific. Otherwise, it an opinion consistent with political talking points.


wth??? what language do people speak where you're from? Slippery slow?


that definition was written using simple everyday English
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
wth??? what language do people speak where you're from? Slippery slow?


that definition was written using simple everyday English


1) It’s a localized specialty.

2) Don’t doubt it. Just asking you to give examples.
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tonygraz wrote:
He could also use Ross Perot's campaign song.

It's raining men?
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