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Agents’ actions in Portland Oregon may set up test of states’ rights..
ZRX1200 Offline
#51 Posted:
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Spey it’s on FEDERAL property only.

Portland already is a 💩 hole
Speyside Offline
#52 Posted:
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Z, I am good with them on federal property. Not with them in the streets of Portland picking suspected protesters up on the streets, 100 times no. Sometimes we have to dance with the devil under the pale blue moon to protect our freedom and our rights.
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#53 Posted:
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They’re arresting people they’ve built a case against, US Marshals do this in every state, every day....you know that right?

You also know the DA has let every leftist go, and the only person charged for rioting was Joey from the Proud Boys.
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#54 Posted:
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Z, I am not ok with the federal government stepping in to end the looting and rioting other than what occurred on federal property. Everything else is a states responsibility and federal government overreach is intolerable no matter how good the intent. US marshals are involved with federal crimes, right? Bagging protestors, rioters, or looters off the street and later releasing them because they commited no federal crime is unacceptable. On the other hand if they commited a federal crime then have at.
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#55 Posted:
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and when Dem governors and mayors tell law enforcement to stand down and take their weapons so rioters can loot and destroy what should happen..?? Mellow
delta1 Offline
#56 Posted:
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same thing as should happen to POTUS and Governors and mayors who ignored the corona virus and let it run rampant in their jurisdictions...they should be relieved of duty at the next election day...
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted:
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Spey.....what do you call crime on federal property that state and local governments refuse to act on? I get what you’re saying I’m asking if you fully understand what they were doing.
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#58 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
same thing as should happen to POTUS and Governors and mayors who ignored the corona virus and let it run rampant in their jurisdictions...they should be relieved of duty at the next election day...



Ok.. I'll say it one more time.... Trump tried to take control and the governors said hell no... which is prolly what he wanted to hear... it placed the responsibility strictly on the states as it should be.... but hey, it's an election so let's blame Trump right..?? Mellow
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#59 Posted:
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federal law enforcement have authority to protect federal property...one would expect that if they've developed suspect info of peeps who've damaged federal property, that they'd work with the local PD's to arrest them beyond the limits of their property...

but my guess is that federal law enforcement officers have general powers to arrest, as most law enforcement officers do:

(2) Every federal law enforcement officer has the following authority:

(a) To make a warrantless arrest of any person who has committed a felony or misdemeanor as defined by state statute, which felony or misdemeanor involves violence, in the presence of the officer while the officer is engaged in the exercise of her or his federal law enforcement duties. If the officer reasonably believes that such a felony or misdemeanor as defined by state statute has been committed in her or his presence, the officer may make a warrantless arrest of any person whom she or he reasonably believes to have committed such felony or misdemeanor.

(b) To use any force which the officer reasonably believes to be necessary to defend herself or himself or another from bodily harm while making the arrest or any force necessarily committed in arresting any felon fleeing from justice when the officer reasonably believes either that the fleeing felon poses a threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or others or that the fleeing felon has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm to another person.

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delta1 wrote:
same thing as should happen to POTUS and Governors and mayors who ignored the corona virus and let it run rampant in their jurisdictions...they should be relieved of duty at the next election day...


I don't know where you get that "ignored the corona virus" stuff. I could only hope they actually did ignore the virus because they did far more damage by groping in the dark and doing something about it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#61 Posted:
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Al.....in Portland the police captain is the mayor Ted Wheeler.

Ted is “woke”.

The DA is “woke” and has not filed charges against ANY rioters.

The Portland Police Bureau refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement. Al they’ve refused to let the FBI use a firing range for heart qualifications.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/porltands-parks-bureau-denies-proud-boys-permit-to-hold-rally-at-delta-park-citing-coronavirus-safeguards.html

Al, read this and think carefully about what the officials say.....this was just announced. BTW they picked this date because Antifa is having a rally, which this story nor the Parks guy make no mention of.

We have officials who swore an oath making litmus tests for citizens. Isn’t this the exact kind of BS that certain individuals get in a very real and open way in the past? This is really disgusting and the exact reason I cannot stand the left.
Speyside Offline
#63 Posted:
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Maybe not Z, my understanding is federal people were there to protect federal property. Good, totally legal. Trump has said he wants them to stop the protesting, rioting, and looting period. Bad, this is illegal. While I can understand the sentiment, I cannot condone the over reaching of Oregons rights. That is a slippery slope that we must not go down. Even if it is a good choice. Explain to me what I am missing, I will listen.
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