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Sierra Club Ducking the Cancel Culture
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An environmentalist group announced they will remove monuments dedicated to its founder and renowned conservationist, John Muir, because of his ties to white supremacists.

The Sierra Club, founded by Muir in 1892, posted a statement on its website explaining that some of its historical members were vocal advocates of white supremacy, The Hill reported.

“As defenders of Black life pull down Confederate monuments across the country, we must also take this moment to reexamine our past and our substantial role in perpetuating white supremacy,” the statement said. “It’s time to take down some of our own monuments, starting with some truth-telling about the Sierra Club’s early history.”

Despite Muir’s contributions to the nation’s conservationist movement, he had friendships with known white supremacists, like renowned paleontologist Henry Fairfield Osborn, “who worked for both the conservation of nature and the conservation of the white race,” according to the Sierra Club.

Osborn helped found the American Eugenics Society after Muir’s death, the Sierra Club said.

Muir himself made “derogatory comments about Black people and Indigenous peoples that drew on deeply harmful racist stereotypes, though his views evolved later in his life,” according to the Sierra Club.

The Sierra Club, which has 3.8 million members, also expressed concern about other early members and leaders who advocated for “forced-sterilization laws and programs” and created the Human Betterment Foundation, whose research was later used to create Nazi Germany’s eugenics legislation, the Sierra Club said.

David Starr Jordan, a “‘kingpin’ of the eugenics movement” served on the Sierra Club’s board of directors during Muir’s tenure as president, according to the Sierra Club.

“The whiteness and privilege of our early membership fed into a very dangerous idea — one that’s still circulating today,” the group said. “Such willful ignorance is what allows some people to shut their eyes to the reality that the wild places we love are also the ancestral homeland of Native peoples, forced off their lands in the decades or centuries before they became national parks.”

The Sierra Club’s decision comes as activists across the nation demand the removal of statues, monuments and school names that have ties to slavery, white supremacy and colonialism, from Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee to Christopher Columbus.

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damn...didn't know John Muir was a white supremacist...he's widely regarded and highlighted throughout the nation's National Parks for his environmental accomplishments...guess they'll have to put asterisks next to his name on all the plaques...

lotsa whitewashing has been done in our historic accounts about important peeps in our past


somebody's gotta get busy with putting all these truths into the history books that we will use going forward, to teach our children about their country's history and the men who built it...
ZRX1200 Offline
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So what about Planned Parenthood?
delta1 Offline
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heard they were gonna remove the racist chick's name from their building ...prolly have to put an asterisk on all their signs and publications, like everybody else...


maybe save a bunch of money and resources by putting a disclaimer on all historic publications, facilities and signs saying our history is full of racism and otherwise bad people, and may include people who were important to this place, work, facility, etc...
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That’ll make all those former BL matter!
delta1 Offline
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easier to move forward when you know where you've been
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Maybe they should change the name of organization too. Muir undoubtedly had a secret racist meaning in mind. Suggestions?
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delta1 wrote:
damn...didn't know John Muir was a white supremacist...he's widely regarded and highlighted throughout the nation's National Parks for his environmental accomplishments...guess they'll have to put asterisks next to his name on all the plaques...

lotsa whitewashing has been done in our historic accounts about important peeps in our past


somebody's gotta get busy with putting all these truths into the history books that we will use going forward, to teach our children about their country's history and the men who built it...

I was literally in John Muir wilderness yesterday... the many trails and lakes i frequent all have strong ties to John muir, many of the trails were blazed by the man himself... the roads I take are all managed by the Sierra club...

I had no idea the guy was racist... i don't care... all my friends are heathens...
tonygraz Offline
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Don't forget credit for Teddy Roosevelt who really got the National Park thing going.
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I wonder how long before they go after Henry Ford? IMO, it's justifiable. fog
tamapatom Offline
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And since Ford was friends with Thomas Edison, Edison needs to go too?
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I'll tell you right now, electricity is definitely racist...
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Henry Ford was a crazy racist eugenics technocrat and a Nazi sympathizer.

In Edison’s defense Ford invited “great minds” to his estate for luncheon meeting as a pretty regular thing, I don’t think I ever read where there were solely “like” minds
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If Henry Ford had designed cars to kill jews, I would say we should stop driving them...
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Margaret Sanger designed planned parenthood to destroy the black family...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
If Henry Ford had designed cars to kill jews, I would say we should stop driving them...


.... that seems like a poorly thought out take.

Lots of stuff was developed either specifically to harm, or developed by harming, specific groups of people.

We don't throw out the tech. We acknowledge the malfeasance of those who did bad things and avoid venerating them (where we haven't rewritten history). When we identify areas where history was glossed over, we rectify that, by no longer venerating whoever was "whitewashed".

This isn't rocket science. And it appears Sierra Club and Planned Parenthood are going about it in a smart manner.
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planned parenthood is still using the product designed to kill blacks to kill blacks.. if you think that's smart you're racist....
tonygraz Offline
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If you think abortion was designed to kill blacks, you must think that it wasn't a voluntary procedure.
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If you think abortion, and what Margaret Sanger did are identical you are following a basic logical train of conversation here Tony.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
planned parenthood is still using the product designed to kill blacks to kill blacks.. if you think that's smart you're racist....


Um. First off... funny thing... no babies have ever been killed by abortion.

Second, it's a voluntary procedure willingly performed on the only person who's point of view matters. So... kinda irrelevant whether the originator of the procedure, or even the doctor specifically performing that procedure has any negative views on the race of the person it's performed on.

As long as black women are given the same quality of medical procedure and care as white, asian or latina women are, then the procedure itself is not racist.
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Lots of white girls going into those clinics?
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Lots of white girls going into those clinics?


Do you think only African Americans get abortions?
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I'm not talking about "abortion clinics"... you throw around the old "reading comprehension" insult a lot for someone in your position...

I'm talking specifically about planned parenthood clinics - clinics founded by a racist individual who founded them in the name of destroying the black family... a task they still accomplish today...

Now, you stated that as long as every race was getting the same quality care, it wasn't racist... so I'll ask you again, lots of white chicks showing up to planned parenthood clinics - clinics that were started with the admitted goal of destroying black families - or do they tend to still be in minority areas to service minority women?
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'm not talking about "abortion clinics"... you throw around the old "reading comprehension" insult a lot for someone in your position...

I'm talking specifically about planned parenthood clinics - clinics founded by a racist individual who founded them in the name of destroying the black family... a task they still accomplish today...

Now, you stated that as long as every race was getting the same quality care, it wasn't racist... so I'll ask you again, lots of white chicks showing up to planned parenthood clinics - clinics that were started with the admitted goal of destroying black families - or do they tend to still be in minority areas to service minority women?


Why do you think they differ?
Have you ever been in a Planned Parenthood clinic? I've been to them in Seattle and in Madison, WI. What do you imagine they are like?

You seem to think they are some sort of substandard service provider only frequented by African Americans.
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victor809 wrote:
Why do you think they differ?
Have you ever been in a Planned Parenthood clinic? I've been to them in Seattle and in Madison, WI. What do you imagine they are like?

You seem to think they are some sort of substandard service provider only frequented by African Americans.

Things I learned from Victor:

1. Despite the liberal talking points about planned parenthood being a lot more than just abortion clinics, they're just abortion clinics.

2. All abortion clinics were started with the intent of reducing the number of black babies born in America.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Things I learned from Victor:

1. Despite the liberal talking points about planned parenthood being a lot more than just abortion clinics, they're just abortion clinics.

2. All abortion clinics were started with the intent of reducing the number of black babies born in America.


Sigh.... keep trying. The topic is Sanger. This makes the specific discussion about abortion. That does not mean that it's the only thing Planned Parenthood does. I've used them for a number of different things in my lifetime. You're inferring much too much. Probably intentionally.
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victor809 wrote:
Sigh.... keep trying. The topic is Sanger. This makes the specific discussion about abortion. That does not mean that it's the only thing Planned Parenthood does. I've used them for a number of different things in my lifetime. You're inferring much too much. Probably intentionally.

I didn't realize how confused you are....

Margaret Sanger did not invent abortion.

Margaret Sanger did found planned parenthood.

You've clearly wandered into a conversation believing you knew what was being discussed and now you know better...

Shut the **** up Donny...
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I didn't realize how confused you are....

Margaret Sanger did not invent abortion.

Margaret Sanger did found planned parenthood.

You've clearly wandered into a conversation believing you knew what was being discussed and now you know better...

Shut the **** up Donny...


Sigh.... I'm sure the pap smears and STD testing done by Planned Parenthood ties directly into the "eugenics" issue.

Learn to connect dots. If Sanger founded a free/low cost clinic just providing breast exams, pap smears and STD testing for African American communities we wouldn't be talking about Planned Parenthood's relationship to her eugenics beliefs.

Your own statement was "planned parenthood is still using the product designed to kill blacks to kill blacks"

Try to keep up with your own dumb discussion.
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What a bunch of SELL OUTS...

THE FOUNDING FATHER OF THEIR ORGANIZATION?
And they dump Eeeemmmmmmm' cuz his friends were allegedly white supremacists???

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B.L.M. SHOULD BE CuLTurE cANCELLED ...

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FOR ABOUT 3 soliD wEEkS...

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In 2013, about 7 percent of Planned Parenthood clients were women over 40 years old. This figure has remained steady over the past few years, according to the organization. So, when people talk about Planned Parenthood clients who need mammography referrals the most, they are referring to a small percentage of total patients.
Further, less than 3 percent of the breast exams offered at Planned Parenthood resulted in mammography referrals. Out of 487,029 breast exams in 2013, about 14,000 resulted in a client referral for mammography and other specialized providers, according to Planned Parenthood.


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^ Hmmm... Someone's lost?
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Mcdanielsamuel let me introduce you to Victor.
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I figured you guys were just merging all the politics posts into one. Easier to follow.
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Mcdanielsamuel wrote:
I figured you guys were just merging all the politics posts into one. Easier to follow.


don't go hiking while pregnant with a black, brown, Jewish, disabled, mentally challenged, liberal or otherwise sub-white prehuman in your belly



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Didn't take this topic long to go off track and Frank talking about taking a hike won't bring it back.
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I was combining lessons learned by merging Sierra and PP for MacDanSam
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Maybe the PP will get it going.
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tonygraz wrote:
Maybe the PP will get it going.

no worries...PP will flush it out...Not talking
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Planned Parenthood serves many more white patients than blacks. In 2014, 15% of PP's patients were black, 23% Latino...majority are white in rural and underserved areas...

lotta misinformation being put out by anti-abortionists to discredit and destroy PP, a source of healthcare for many poor women of all races...
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It's all B.U.N.K.
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victor809 wrote:
Sigh.... I'm sure the pap smears and STD testing done by Planned Parenthood ties directly into the "eugenics" issue.

Learn to connect dots. If Sanger founded a free/low cost clinic just providing breast exams, pap smears and STD testing for African American communities we wouldn't be talking about Planned Parenthood's relationship to her eugenics beliefs.

Your own statement was "planned parenthood is still using the product designed to kill blacks to kill blacks"

Try to keep up with your own dumb discussion.

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