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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted:
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One NBC headline reads:
Peaceful Marches and Armored Vehicles

LOL!
tailgater Offline
#2 Posted:
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Can somebody help me here?
I'm trying to look up all the types of buildings that were burned by the peaceful BLM rally crowd.

I can't seem to find any Post Offices...
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Dude.
You really need to learn to read a bit more.

First, this doesn't appear to be on NBC at all. I'm guessing you are referring to the NYT photo gallery with that title.

Ironic that it's a photo gallery, with literally two sentences and you're upset.

Guess the sentences?
"Unrest in Kenosha, Wis., continued after the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black resident. Peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day gave way to chaos as law enforcement faced off with protesters."

So yes. Something can be peaceful at one time and not peaceful at another.

Time is difficult for you?
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted:
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Really? You need to up your game in this one to get any argument. I think the looters and arsonists need to suicide by cop. Let the legal process play out. My opinion is the cops did nothing wrong. Domestic violence call, previously convicted of domestic violence. No way to know if he was reaching for a gun. Police had identified and ordered halt. No way to know if the vehicle would have became a weapon. No way to know if the kids were being kidnapped. No way to know if the kids would be hostages. No way to know if the kids would be murdered.

Whine, whine, and whine, they should have tazed him. Drop him and be done with it. They did their job.
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#5 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Really? You need to up your game in this one to get any argument. I think the looters and arsonists need to suicide by cop. Let the legal process play out. My opinion is the cops did nothing wrong. Domestic violence call, previously convicted of domestic violence. No way to know if he was reaching for a gun. Police had identified and ordered halt. No way to know if the vehicle would have became a weapon. No way to know if the kids were being kidnapped. No way to know if the kids would be hostages. No way to know if the kids would be murdered.

Whine, whine, and whine, they should have tazed him. Drop him and be done with it. They did their job.


I've actually seen no indication he was convicted of domestic violence. He's been charged. That's significantly different.

"no way to know" is a terrible excuse. By that logic a cop can shoot anyone on the street under any circumstance. Cops could shoot anyone getting into a car... because they might use their vehicle as a weapon.

He was not, to the best of my understanding, even the reason for the call they were there for.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
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it's tough being a cop... especially knowing just the day before 3 cops were ambushed in Maryland at a domestic abuse call... but of course we didn't hear much about that... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#7 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
it's tough being a cop... especially knowing just the day before 3 cops were ambushed in Maryland at a domestic abuse call... but of course we didn't hear much about that... Mellow


Again... not a valid justification.
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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it is a tough job...but we can do better at selecting, training, equipping and supporting our LEO's...part of that is setting high standards and holding the ones who don't meet them accountable and then weeding them out...

an officer is human, but has to be able to differentiate other events from the circumstances that he/she is dealing with at the moment...treat each interaction as a separate and isolated encounter...

we have always treated attacks on law enforcement officers as serious offenses, and those who commit them should expect to be judged harshly...

too often, though, law enforcement officers who don't meet the highest standards are not held accountable, and this is the issue that our society is struggling with now

victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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^ this is part of the problem.

My entire life I have been told we are supposed to respect the police, because they're putting their lives on the line etc etc etc.

Now I'm finding that 98.2% of them engage in behavior intended to minimize the risk to their life, while increasing the risk to the public.

Every time a cop shoots an unarmed man because "he might have been reaching for a weapon" they are saying that their life is more valuable than the public's they are intended to serve. They are making that risk calculation, and deciding the chance that the person they are interacting with might have a weapon is great enough that they would rather kill a member of the public without trial, than put their life at risk.

"Respect the police because they're going to risk their lives a little, but in the end find you disposable if there's any chance they think you might be a risk to their lives" isn't really a marketable phrase.

Perhaps if they were more honest and just said "We're the law and there's 0 chance we're risking our lives, so do what we say or you're going to get shot" they would get more respect for at least being honest.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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It was such a quiet town.
delta1 Offline
#11 Posted:
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for the most part, that's accurate...and is the impetus for the outrage and protests

it is ingrained in every block of police training...your safety comes first, second and third...your responsibility is to go home at the end of the watch...police recruits were weeded out for a lot of things when I went through the academy...
failure to consider officer safety was a big reason at the academy and also during probationary training periods at the beginning of a career...

that message of officer safety being most important is heavily emphasized whereas the importance of the life of each individual that they serve is barely mentioned...yet all policies on the use of deadly force do state a reverence for human life...
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delta1 wrote:
for the most part, that's accurate...and is the impetus for the outrage and protests

it is ingrained in every block of police training...your safety comes first, second and third...your responsibility is to go home at the end of the watch...police recruits were weeded out for a lot of things when I went through the academy...
failure to consider officer safety was a big reason at the academy and also during probationary training periods at the beginning of a career...

that message of officer safety being most important is heavily emphasized whereas the importance of the life of each individual that they serve is barely mentioned...yet all policies on the use of deadly force do state a reverence for human life...


There's an irony to it that it essentially makes the world more dangerous for your average citizen (the theoretical opposite effect that the police are advertised as doing).

Think about it. What's the majority of police involvement in the US. It's not swooping in and stopping murders, break-ins, rapes, crimes in process... As every 2nd amendment supporter will tell you, 9-1-1 won't get to your house in time, so you need a gun to protect yourself. That means the police usually arrive after the fact for these scenarios. They take reports.... crate off the bodies. Most of their interactions with citizens are not actually happening during split-second life or death situations. But by having them in non-life-or-death situations, you add a 3rd element, who happens to have a gun, and happens to be worried about protecting their life. All you've done is make a situation more complex, and added a deadly weapon when there may not have been one before.

tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Dude.
You really need to learn to read a bit more.

First, this doesn't appear to be on NBC at all. I'm guessing you are referring to the NYT photo gallery with that title.

Ironic that it's a photo gallery, with literally two sentences and you're upset.

Guess the sentences?
"Unrest in Kenosha, Wis., continued after the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black resident. Peaceful demonstrations earlier in the day gave way to chaos as law enforcement faced off with protesters."

So yes. Something can be peaceful at one time and not peaceful at another.

Time is difficult for you?


You're trying too hard.
Sure, I got my NBC and NYT mixed up. Big whoop.
And I know it's a photo gallery headline. Doesn't matter. Read the headline. You might as well read it out loud, your lips are moving anyway.
The headline is misleading, considering the rape of that town by BLM.





Mr. Jones Offline
#14 Posted:
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Gotta agree with VICKY ON THIS ONE....

THE FBI-SSG AGENTS THAT I BATTLED WITH For over 5+ years ran around in groups armed to the teeth...just waiting for me to make a move on their sorry sick illegal felon azzes while implemEnTing their choreographed GaNGSTALKInG program directed at me 24-7-365...day in...daY oUT...they wAnted me dead BigTImE...

StiLl do... to this verY dAy...

F***Kem and the horse they rode in on...
JW1982 Offline
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Lol! 98.2%.. You literally just made that up 😄. Personally, I think the life of those two officers were more important than that of the rapist they shot in the back. He was resisting arrest and possibly reaching for a firearm. Completely justified shooting. And now, once again, they're burning and looting for yet another criminal.
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victor809 wrote:
There's an irony to it that it essentially makes the world more dangerous for your average citizen (the theoretical opposite effect that the police are advertised as doing).

Think about it. What's the majority of police involvement in the US. It's not swooping in and stopping murders, break-ins, rapes, crimes in process... As every 2nd amendment supporter will tell you, 9-1-1 won't get to your house in time, so you need a gun to protect yourself. That means the police usually arrive after the fact for these scenarios. They take reports.... crate off the bodies. Most of their interactions with citizens are not actually happening during split-second life or death situations. But by having them in non-life-or-death situations, you add a 3rd element, who happens to have a gun, and happens to be worried about protecting their life. All you've done is make a situation more complex, and added a deadly weapon when there may not have been one before.



Look at the Seattle sh*t hole self proclaimed as CHAD.

No cops.

How long did it take for that environment to self implode?

Your insight is not very insightful, if you ask me. It's not untrue, per se, but it misses the mark.

The reason cops are visible at events isn't to catch a criminal, or stop a crime in process. It's to prevent it from happening in the first place. And on a grander scale, that's why police are out and about rather than behind a desk. Visibility is key.

These deaths are tragic, regardless of whether they're avoidable.
But the next video I see of a cop shooting someone complying with their demands will be the first.



victor809 Offline
#17 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You're trying too hard.
Sure, I got my NBC and NYT mixed up. Big whoop.
And I know it's a photo gallery headline. Doesn't matter. Read the headline. You might as well read it out loud, your lips are moving anyway.
The headline is misleading, considering the rape of that town by BLM.


Speaking of misleading headlines. A burned building or two is not "the rape of that town".

The headline appears to be trying to juxtapose the daytime peaceful protests and the night time less peaceful protests.
In fact, that's literally the only two lines in the linked article.

Or to make it more clear... a person who gets their information from just the headlines of a news article is an idiot.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted:
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JW1982 wrote:
Lol! 98.2%.. You literally just made that up 😄. Personally, I think the life of those two officers were more important than that of the rapist they shot in the back. He was resisting arrest and possibly reaching for a firearm. Completely justified shooting. And now, once again, they're burning and looting for yet another criminal.


You're new here. So I'll allow your mistake regarding the 98.2%.... this is a cbid number used when one is trying to point out that they are pulling a number out of their ass.

As for the rest... you're an idiot.
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tailgater wrote:
...These deaths are tragic, regardless of whether they're avoidable.
But the next video I see of a cop shooting someone complying with their demands will be the first.

Yes. And regardless of whether or not they are avoidable, they should not happen.
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#20 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Look at the Seattle sh*t hole self proclaimed as CHAD.

No cops.

How long did it take for that environment to self implode?

Your insight is not very insightful, if you ask me. It's not untrue, per se, but it misses the mark.

The reason cops are visible at events isn't to catch a criminal, or stop a crime in process. It's to prevent it from happening in the first place. And on a grander scale, that's why police are out and about rather than behind a desk. Visibility is key.

These deaths are tragic, regardless of whether they're avoidable.
But the next video I see of a cop shooting someone complying with their demands will be the first.


Dude... "implode"? CHAD was a occupy type movement. It didn't "implode". And it certainly wasn't the lack of cops that caused it to fail. It failed because that's what those things do. A bunch of starry eyed hippies think they can live all happy without the necessary support systems provided by the city. Eventually they get tired of sh$tting in portapotties. It was never going to last. Not because it was a "no cop zone" but because those are always limited by the attention span of the people involved.

And you think "visibility" is key? Meh. I won't argue that it has some effect. But that becomes a question of whether the presence of armed police reduces crime more than the presence of armed police increases the chance of someone being shot by the armed police.

As for your last sentence... I'm not sure what's more troubling, that you think non-compliance is valid reason to be dead, or that it's already happened, you just haven't seen it.
delta1 Offline
#21 Posted:
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tail was taking his life into his own hands when he said he was gonna ignore the local mandates to stay at home...

cop: Sir, get back in your house, now!

tail: nope...you're part of the arbitrary govt. over-reach that is taking away my freedom...pound snow...I'm going to grab a burger and a beer...

cop: stop, and put your hands behind your back...I'm warning you...STOP!!! bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang
HockeyDad Offline
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victor809 wrote:
You're new here. So I'll allow your mistake regarding the 98.2%.... this is a cbid number used when one is trying to point out that they are pulling a number out of their ass.

As for the rest... you're an idiot.


Allow me to translate...

what Victor was trying to say is “welcome to the forums!”
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#23 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Allow me to translate...

what Victor was trying to say is “welcome to the forums!”


don't forget the idiot part!

Welcome to the forums, you're an idiot!
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#24 Posted:
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Am I too late to overreact with out ample facts and context to form my opinion here?????
Mr. Jones Offline
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BLM and SOROS FUNDED...

NIGHTSTALKERS...

GOLD brickers AND SLACKERS DURING THE DAY...

TERRORIST S At niGhT
tailgater Offline
#26 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Speaking of misleading headlines. A burned building or two is not "the rape of that town".

The headline appears to be trying to juxtapose the daytime peaceful protests and the night time less peaceful protests.
In fact, that's literally the only two lines in the linked article.

Or to make it more clear... a person who gets their information from just the headlines of a news article is an idiot.



If you think people aren't swayed by headlines then you don't understand why headlines exist.
tailgater Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Yes. And regardless of whether or not they are avoidable, they should not happen.


I think only the avoidable ones shouldn't be expected to happen.
But we're splitting hairs.
Even the criminals don't deserve a bullet to the back. I just can't ignore the fact that their actions were a prominent factor in their deaths.
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
tail was taking his life into his own hands when he said he was gonna ignore the local mandates to stay at home...

cop: Sir, get back in your house, now!

tail: nope...you're part of the arbitrary govt. over-reach that is taking away my freedom...pound snow...I'm going to grab a burger and a beer...

cop: stop, and put your hands behind your back...I'm warning you...STOP!!! bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang


I love stories that star me.
Tell us more!

tailgater Offline
#29 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Dude... "implode"? CHAD was a occupy type movement. It didn't "implode". And it certainly wasn't the lack of cops that caused it to fail. It failed because that's what those things do. A bunch of starry eyed hippies think they can live all happy without the necessary support systems provided by the city. Eventually they get tired of sh$tting in portapotties. It was never going to last. Not because it was a "no cop zone" but because those are always limited by the attention span of the people involved.

And you think "visibility" is key? Meh. I won't argue that it has some effect. But that becomes a question of whether the presence of armed police reduces crime more than the presence of armed police increases the chance of someone being shot by the armed police.

As for your last sentence... I'm not sure what's more troubling, that you think non-compliance is valid reason to be dead, or that it's already happened, you just haven't seen it.


Chad didn't simply end because the idiots got bored.

Sounds like you're saying people are killed by cops more often than crimes are deterred by cops. Even without the numbers you have to know the difference is in orders of magnitude. I mean, you have to know.

If I said it was a valid reason, please point it out. The common theme is a repeat criminal disobeying lawful commands. Validity has nothing to do with it. Just stating the facts.
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just wanna toss this out there.

if one believes that the purpose of a police force is to prevent crime, one would have to be describing a police state, not a free society.
Without actually ever reading any stats in my entire life, I'm thinking that scenario exists in countries including, but not limited to, Russia, N. Korea, Iran...countries that I do not believe we want to emulate.

My buddy Joe (tail) mentioned that word "prevent" but many others have gone well past his use of the word to the point of concern for freedom loving Americans of conservative AND liberal mind sets in several threads.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
just wanna toss this out there.

if one believes that the purpose of a police force is to prevent crime, one would have to be describing a police state, not a free society.
Without actually ever reading any stats in my entire life, I'm thinking that scenario exists in countries including, but not limited to, Russia, N. Korea, Iran...countries that I do not believe we want to emulate.

My buddy Joe (tail) mentioned that word "prevent" but many others have gone well past his use of the word to the point of concern for freedom loving Americans of conservative AND liberal mind sets in several threads.


My wordsmith friend is right.
I said "prevent" but perhaps the word "deter" would have been more accurate. At least that was my intent.

victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Chad didn't simply end because the idiots got bored.

Sounds like you're saying people are killed by cops more often than crimes are deterred by cops. Even without the numbers you have to know the difference is in orders of magnitude. I mean, you have to know.

If I said it was a valid reason, please point it out. The common theme is a repeat criminal disobeying lawful commands. Validity has nothing to do with it. Just stating the facts.


Oh please, do tell us why it "imploded". Provide some evidence.

As for what I was saying... that is correct, that is what I was asking. You are assuming that it is a difference in orders of magnitude. I simply don't know. Per year cops kill 33 citizens/10MM in the US. Approximately 1000 citizens per year. The next closest country is Canada with about 10 citizens/10MM... or 36 citizens per year. Now I am not saying that is all innocent/unarmed citizens. But I'm not sure we can document 1000 incidents a year where police intervene DURING a conflict in which someone may be killed, and save that person. I'm not talking about investigations after the fact, where a criminal was caught and this prevents them from committing another crime... I'm talking about crimes in progress. It's the 2nd amendment people here who convinced me of this. They're the ones who make the argument that the police will not arrive in time, therefore you need to be armed and able to protect yourself. So, what percentage of violent crimes do police actually arrive at on time?

tail wrote:

But the next video I see of a cop shooting someone complying with their demands will be the first.

the implication of this sentence is that lack of compliance is what leads to being shot. This is literally making an excuse for the police shooting someone. "He was shot because he didn't do what they said". That is validating the action, regardless of your claim that it's tragic.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:


the implication of this sentence is that lack of compliance is what leads to being shot. This is literally making an excuse for the police shooting someone. "He was shot because he didn't do what they said". That is validating the action, regardless of your claim that it's tragic.


I try not to blame the victim, but I will absolutely reveal where their actions helped to escalate the situation.

There is nothing you or I or BLM could do to prevent that shooting.
But if he listened to the cops demands he wouldn't have been shot.

Sometimes it's that simple.
delta1 Offline
#34 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:


But the next video I see of a cop shooting someone complying with their demands will be the first.



here's the first...tragic...there may be videos of this...I remember this was a subject of a topic here awhile back


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver
BuckyB93 Offline
#35 Posted:
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I remember that. It led to months of riots an looting. Mesa was torched to the ground, millions of dollars of damages...

Oh, wait... never mind.
tailgater Offline
#36 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
here's the first...tragic...there may be videos of this...I remember this was a subject of a topic here awhile back


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver


How did that cop not go to jail?

victor809 Offline
#37 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I try not to blame the victim, but I will absolutely reveal where their actions helped to escalate the situation.

There is nothing you or I or BLM could do to prevent that shooting.
But if he listened to the cops demands he wouldn't have been shot.

Sometimes it's that simple.


Ok, I'll try to take this from another angle, maybe type a little slower.

You are correct (in this case) if he had done everything the cop demanded he wouldn't have been shot.
Do you find it acceptable that the penalty for not doing everything a cop demands is being shot?

(on a side note, there are examples of people getting shot by cops while complying. And if there's one instance caught on video, there's likely many more. Police reports are written by the survivors, to steal a phrase.)
frankj1 Offline
#38 Posted:
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can you get shot for stealing a phrase?
DrafterX Offline
#39 Posted:
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Biden hasn't been shot so I guess not... Laugh
tonygraz Offline
#40 Posted:
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Hell, Melanoma steals wholes speeches and she hasn't been shot, but I hear Ivanka might be thinking of it.
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Tony has a Ivanka crush does he want her to go down or him first? 😍💋
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Ok, I'll try to take this from another angle, maybe type a little slower.

You are correct (in this case) if he had done everything the cop demanded he wouldn't have been shot.
Do you find it acceptable that the penalty for not doing everything a cop demands is being shot?

(on a side note, there are examples of people getting shot by cops while complying. And if there's one instance caught on video, there's likely many more. Police reports are written by the survivors, to steal a phrase.)


Type slower.
You might understand how you're missing the point.


We all agree that cops shouldn't "over" react. But it's a fine line between that and being too lax. Watching the instant replay in slow motion allows all of us to form opinions.
The easiest way to help prevent an over reaction is to comply.
Once that gun is drawn only a fool would do what that guy did.
Doesn't mean he's to blame.

I heard someone compare this to telling a woman to not dress provocatively or they're asking to be raped.
To some extent this is true. But instead of thinking of this as blaming the victim, it should be a lesson in making good decisions. No one here would want their daughter to dress in a short skirt, low cut blouse and red pumps and then stroll down a dark ally past midnight in the seedy part of town.
If she did, then she put herself into a bad situation.

Ignoring a yelling cop with a drawn gun is putting yourself in a bad situation.

NOT blaming the victim. Just pointing out what I thought would be obvious.
Mr. Jones Offline
#43 Posted:
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In the I.M.M.O.R.T.A.L.

WORDS OF...

Le HOCKEYDAD....

"ANOTHER TRAGIC COVID DEATH"
BuckyB93 Offline
#44 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Type slower.
You might understand how you're missing the point.


We all agree that cops shouldn't "over" react. But it's a fine line between that and being too lax. Watching the instant replay in slow motion allows all of us to form opinions.
The easiest way to help prevent an over reaction is to comply.
Once that gun is drawn only a fool would do what that guy did.
Doesn't mean he's to blame.

I heard someone compare this to telling a woman to not dress provocatively or they're asking to be raped.
To some extent this is true. But instead of thinking of this as blaming the victim, it should be a lesson in making good decisions. No one here would want their daughter to dress in a short skirt, low cut blouse and red pumps and then stroll down a dark ally past midnight in the seedy part of town.
If she did, then she put herself into a bad situation.

Ignoring a yelling cop with a drawn gun is putting yourself in a bad situation.

NOT blaming the victim. Just pointing out what I thought would be obvious.


Well, NOW what am I supposed to do on Saturday nights? Tail, you're such a killjoy.
8trackdisco Offline
#45 Posted:
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Meanwhile, 60 miles further south.

https://heyjackass.com/2020-race-of-victim-assailant/

Black lives matter.
tailgater Offline
#46 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Well, NOW what am I supposed to do on Saturday nights? Tail, you're such a killjoy.


I'll still wear the pumps.
frankj1 Offline
#47 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Type slower.
You might understand how you're missing the point.


We all agree that cops shouldn't "over" react. But it's a fine line between that and being too lax. Watching the instant replay in slow motion allows all of us to form opinions.
The easiest way to help prevent an over reaction is to comply.
Once that gun is drawn only a fool would do what that guy did.
Doesn't mean he's to blame.

I heard someone compare this to telling a woman to not dress provocatively or they're asking to be raped.
To some extent this is true. But instead of thinking of this as blaming the victim, it should be a lesson in making good decisions. No one here would want their daughter to dress in a short skirt, low cut blouse and red pumps and then stroll down a dark ally past midnight in the seedy part of town.
If she did, then she put herself into a bad situation.

Ignoring a yelling cop with a drawn gun is putting yourself in a bad situation.

NOT blaming the victim. Just pointing out what I thought would be obvious.

sounds more like she's working than sharing blame for a violent crime.
at least Pence knows he can't control himself if left alone with a female.
But us non-rapists are somehow able to resist the temptresses out there.
Speyside Offline
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Tail, quit using common sense. No one here listens to that. They just want to quote their political guru, both sides. Because of that we are possibly on a very violent path.
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#42- I pretty much agree.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/29/a-look-inside-the-war-zone-known-as-kenosha-n2575302
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