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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 6:40 PM EST
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If B B King was scheduled to play and Lynyrd Skynyrd scheduled a separate venue the same night would he be expected to reschedule..?? Prolly not but Trump showed respect and did... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#52 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 6:48 PM EST
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respect would have been when first looking at dates, not after he knowingly stirred up very bad emotions.

I'd rather see BB King, but might be in the minority.
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 6:51 PM EST
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I think, don't know, Trump prolly had this Tulsa visit for months... it's very possible he was unaware of the other thing.. many people still don't know this even happened..Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 7:09 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
besides all the con lies that Trump has you believing, why don't you believe his latest campaign strategy? be afraid... seems you've swallowed most of the rest of his alternative fantasy universe, like the white nationalist BS that Trump embraces...which has done its part to feed the flames...


why is Trump constantly telling his people, especially the white women in the suburbs to be afraid? He keeps saying "If Biden wins, they'll be invading your neighborhood" ..."only I, the POTUS of law and order, will make you safe"

why would he use that as a campaign theme...he wants his people to go out to vote...but he doesn't do anything to make it safer when there is a deadly pandemic running amok forcing many of his elderly supporters to risk their health...
remember Tulsa?

there might be enough of you cons who don't want to chance it to make a difference...cons aren't afraid of the virus? then why are they shutting down re-opened schools in Georgia and Florida?

and then Trump tries to shut down a safe alternative: voting by mail...he's a "genius" alright...





Can you post anything steeped in some sort of reality?

As for the virus, no I'm not afraid of that either. Nice try. 6% of the Covid 19 death total were Covid and you're afraid. I kept on telling you the numbers were crap. People would be lined up like cord wood with the crap you spit out. Wheels falling off that scare cart too.

The train is leaving the station and you're under it.
DrafterX Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 7:19 PM EST
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Get up Delta..!! OhMyGod
delta1 Offline
#56 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 8:09 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Can you post anything steeped in some sort of reality?

As for the virus, no I'm not afraid of that either. Nice try. 6% of the Covid 19 death total were Covid and you're afraid. I kept on telling you the numbers were crap. People would be lined up like cord wood with the crap you spit out. Wheels falling off that scare cart too.

The train is leaving the station and you're under it.



you are so deep in your loyalty to Trump, that you've lost your ability to discern facts from "fake news"...

that 6% actual COVID death rate is another con "fact" debunked...


https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 8:53 PM EST
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Ya, 120 million dead is prolly a little more than 6%... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 9:06 PM EST
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look at the annual projected death rate of the US this year, which compares deaths, including COVID related, to expected deaths based on historical data...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


pretty clear COVID 19 is the single factor that raised the number of US citizens dying by 10% or more since the pandemic...the month of April was especially bad...more than 40% higher number of deaths than expected

if we continue at the current rate, which is declining, there'll be close to 300,000 COVID related deaths in the US by end of December...Merry Christmas, everybody
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 9:18 PM EST
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can I still have Jewish Christmas if the movies and Chinese Restaurants are closed?
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 9:37 PM EST
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And while Trump was being impeached and stopping air travel from China he coulda know the severity of the Rona when China wouldn't share info how..?? But it's damn easy to Monday morning quarterback isn't it.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 9:43 PM EST
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had he listened to the Monday morning briefing...


don't matter.
He's gonna win big, I think.
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Sep 1 2020, 9:46 PM EST
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Not if Hillary has anything to do with it... She's told Biden to hold out till they print more ballots... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 7:51 AM EST
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The Russians are making more ballots ?
Speyside Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 8:46 AM EST
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No it's Barnabus Collins frome the deep state dark shadows.
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 9:16 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Not if Hillary has anything to do with it... She's told Biden to hold out till they print more ballots... Mellow

if they she sends them USPS they'll never get there.
Trump still wins big, I really believe that.
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 9:52 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
look at the annual projected death rate of the US this year, which compares deaths, including COVID related, to expected deaths based on historical data...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


pretty clear COVID 19 is the single factor that raised the number of US citizens dying by 10% or more since the pandemic...the month of April was especially bad...more than 40% higher number of deaths than expected

if we continue at the current rate, which is declining, there'll be close to 300,000 COVID related deaths in the US by end of December...Merry Christmas, everybody


It will take years to know the actual death rate. But it does appear to be higher than our current count by a little.
This second we're at about 189k.... which is about 3% of the tested infected. that's not great for a theoretically 1st world nation, but if we assume a large percentage of asymptomatic, then it gets closer to the 1-2% we should have.

But more importantly, if we just look at average death rate for 2020.... by July we had something like an extra 200,000 dead. so we've already exceeded the actual tested dead (because you don't waste tests on dead people). And this is with the shut down measures we took. It would have been very interesting if we hadn't.
tailgater Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:00 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
look at the annual projected death rate of the US this year, which compares deaths, including COVID related, to expected deaths based on historical data...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm


pretty clear COVID 19 is the single factor that raised the number of US citizens dying by 10% or more since the pandemic...the month of April was especially bad...more than 40% higher number of deaths than expected

if we continue at the current rate, which is declining, there'll be close to 300,000 COVID related deaths in the US by end of December...Merry Christmas, everybody


Culling the herd.
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:06 AM EST
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Trump is the one president able to save social security, eh?
tailgater Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:11 AM EST
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

This is interesting data.
I had looked for this a couple months back and was unable to feret it out on the seemingly purposely confusing cdc site.

Anyway, it's obvious that we started February (where the numbers begin) on track in terms of dead people (all causes).
It spiked to weekly averages up to 40% higher than expected in April. Pretty compelling.

But what about August?
75% of expectations.
32%.

Hell, we're getting stronger!

Or maybe, if this continues we might learn that a lot of the comorbidities were real and the Covid just sped things along. Which is why we can't look at small snippets of data and form an accurate conclusion.
Yet that's what the states are doing. Massachusetts is looking at a mere 8 day rolling average. And not of people being sick. Just positive tests.
And when school starts and students get mandatory testing, who can guess what will happen to the number of positive cases?
Anyone?
Bueller?

We've got liars in our state government.
Damn liars.
And now we've got statisticians.
We're doomed.
tailgater Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:12 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Trump is the one president able to save social security, eh?


I like it.
A positive spin.

Stealing.
Smooth light Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:13 AM EST
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Not related deaths, but the direct cause ONLY, like l said, how's that comprehension going?
rfenst Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:14 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Trump is the one president able to save social security, eh?

Yeah, with the new payroll tax suspension that still has to be declared when one pays their 2000 taxes in early 2021.
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:26 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

This is interesting data.
I had looked for this a couple months back and was unable to feret it out on the seemingly purposely confusing cdc site.

Anyway, it's obvious that we started February (where the numbers begin) on track in terms of dead people (all causes).
It spiked to weekly averages up to 40% higher than expected in April. Pretty compelling.

But what about August?
75% of expectations.
32%.

Hell, we're getting stronger!

Or maybe, if this continues we might learn that a lot of the comorbidities were real and the Covid just sped things along. Which is why we can't look at small snippets of data and form an accurate conclusion.
Yet that's what the states are doing. Massachusetts is looking at a mere 8 day rolling average. And not of people being sick. Just positive tests.
And when school starts and students get mandatory testing, who can guess what will happen to the number of positive cases?
Anyone?
Bueller?

We've got liars in our state government.
Damn liars.
And now we've got statisticians.
We're doomed.



Interesting, but I think you're trying to read too much into incomplete data. Remember, "comorbidity" isn't the dangerous word it sounds like. 98.2% of the people posting on this thread have comorbidities.... they aren't going to die next month. It seems statistically unlikely that COVID just pulled these people's deaths forward a couple months and now we're going to see lower death rates for a while. Especially since we're still losing about 1k a day due to covid.

1k a day.

Hang on.... "record scratch"...

Didn't your CDC data say there were only 2100 deaths from COVID the week of 8/22 ? Yeah, that's not accurate. Other sources show that week as still having 1k a day on average.

Also... your 32%? 370 covid deaths for the week ending 8/29? that's incorrect. Missouri had 87 Covid deaths that week, and we aren't 1/5th of the nation's cases.

I'm going to guess that data is still getting populated

edit - found this little section of the data: "Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019. Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred (8)."
victor809 Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:27 AM EST
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Smooth light wrote:
Not related deaths, but the direct cause ONLY, like l said, how's that comprehension going?


dumb statement which shows a poor understanding of how diseases work.

You sound like those guys who used to say HIV never killed people, and thought they were really smart because the cause of death was always listed as something else.
bgz Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:30 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I like it.
A positive spin.

Stealing.


Just like the gays digging through your family tree for the missing link.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:32 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Just like the gays digging through your family tree for the missing link.


Wrong thread.
bgz Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:37 AM EST
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You don't hear the gays b*tching about the wrong tail... do you.
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:39 AM EST
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How could I hear anything over your incessant whine?
bgz Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:41 AM EST
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Most people hang up the phone when they're getting busy... you have some weird fetishes.
tailgater Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:42 AM EST
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Are there any non-weird fetishes?
bgz Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:48 AM EST
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Good point... can't think of any.
tailgater Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:50 AM EST
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Try as you may...
bgz Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 10:59 AM EST
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It's ok if you picture me whining sweet nothings in your ear as you get it on... everyone has their kinks dude... yours are just weirder than most.
DrafterX Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 11:01 AM EST
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TW cries after he whacks it... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 11:03 AM EST
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I'm 98.2% sure this just became a meet-cute.
HockeyDad Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 12:49 PM EST
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Fear is great for controlling people. Those on the right have their list of fears going into this election. Those on the left have their fears going into the election. Pick your highest priority fears and cast your vote. You’ll still be dead from Covid by February.
bgz Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 1:29 PM EST
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I just fear tail is going to get my number somehow and ask for the real thing... does that count?
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 1:32 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I just fear tail is going to get my number somehow and ask for the real thing... does that count?

that's right, you need to keep pretending you think he's gross until Act III when some crisis makes you realize you've loved him all this time.
bgz Offline
#89 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 2:43 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
that's right, you need to keep pretending you think he's gross until Act III when some crisis makes you realize you've loved him all this time.


You watch chick flicks don't you.
Gene363 Offline
#90 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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I thought this was the Politics Forum, when did it change to Comedy?
victor809 Offline
#91 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 3:11 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
You watch chick flicks don't you.


Only when I need to masturbate.
Speyside Offline
#92 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 3:40 PM EST
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I thought you were into toastersexual porn these days.
victor809 Offline
#93 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 4:10 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I thought you were into toastersexual porn these days.


That's just what I watch while having sex. I usually scream "treat me like a cold pop-tart!" at the woman.
frankj1 Offline
#94 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 4:32 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's just what I watch while having sex. I usually scream "treat me like a cold pop-tart!" at the woman.

why am i thinking about mjtoal right now?
delta1 Offline
#95 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 4:42 PM EST
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with the corner/tip bitten off....ooowwwweeee
delta1 Offline
#96 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 4:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And while Trump was being impeached and stopping air travel from China he coulda know the severity of the Rona when China wouldn't share info how..?? But it's damn easy to Monday morning quarterback isn't it.. Mellow

How?

lesseenow....

if he had listened to his intelligence experts who briefed him on the threat of pandemics late in 2019,

or read the pandemic warnings written into several PDB's in Jan, Feb 2020

or reviewed the Pandemic Playbook that GWBush produced and was updated by Obama, who briefed the incoming Trump administration on pandemics,

or paid attention when his own peeps conducted a table-top exercise dealing with pandemics in 2018...


but it's Trump...even though he didn't actively participate in or attend any Impeachment hearing...he couldn't do his job because...the impeachment...

Clinton was impeached and got a lotta schitt done that whole time
HockeyDad Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:02 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
How?

lesseenow....

if he had listened to his intelligence experts who briefed him on the threat of pandemics late in 2019,

or read the pandemic warnings written into several PDB's in Jan, Feb 2020

or reviewed the Pandemic Playbook that GWBush produced and was updated by Obama, who briefed the incoming Trump administration on pandemics,

or paid attention when his own peeps conducted a table-top exercise dealing with pandemics in 2018...


but it's Trump...even though he didn't actively participate in or attend any Impeachment hearing...he couldn't do his job because...the impeachment...

Clinton was impeached and got a lotta schitt done that whole time



Wait a minute.....

You are not under any orders or decrees or emergency anything right now from Trump and haven’t been. Exactly which orders, decrees, and emergency anythings are you demanding that Trump dictate to you and should have a long time ago?

I know you’re under a s&$t-ton of orders and decrees and emergency anythings right now because you’re in California and both your county and state are telling you what bit of remaining freedom you have during this unprecedented time.

frankj1 Offline
#98 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:15 PM EST
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heard this somewhere, maybe Viewer Supported Radio...

certain things are public health issues, not Constitutional rights issues, and don't really matter if individuals believe the cause(s) are real or conspiracies...

such as:
doesn't matter if you believe that dysentery and the like are science fiction, you can not have an abode without an approved-by-government system to keep your human waste away from me.
Your rights have not been infringed upon because you have no choice but to have some version of a flush-away system in place to live with other humans in America.

Even if you think these diseases are hoaxes.
HockeyDad Offline
#99 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:33 PM EST
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I never mentioned Constitutional rights. Rights are something given to you by the government. (I know some will disagree.). They are also taken away by the government.

You have to have a flush away system because the government took away that right in many areas. It doesn’t matter what people think. You have to have a backup camera on your car.

One fun thing we’ve learned in the past six months is what happens to “rights” when there is a declaration of emergency.
frankj1 Offline
#100 Posted: Wed, Sep 2 2020, 5:33 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Are there any non-weird fetishes?

just tremendous.
you've had me thinking all afternoon.
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