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rfenst Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Sep 15 2020, 6:11 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Absolute proof?
Sounds alot like absolute truth. You may believe in that sort of thing Spey but some here don't accept the existence of suchlike.
Your particular use may be a bit of a stretch.

Absolute truth? Sounds like absolute zero to me.
DrafterX Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Sep 15 2020, 6:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Words don't have the same meaning just because they sound similar.



Tomato, tomato..

Potato, potato...

Think
Speyside Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Sep 15 2020, 6:27 PM EST
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The only stretch is you thinking I meant absolute truth. The world is full of absolute proof. Do you think one day you will let go of a rock and it will rise up? Do you think you will live forever on this earth? Note I say on this earth so as not to disparage your beliefs. Do you think one day A squared pulse B squared will not equal C squared?
Smooth light Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Sep 15 2020, 7:40 PM EST
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When the smoke clears, it will really be a pecan. Pronounce three ways 🤗.
Dg west deptford Offline
#105 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:34 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Words don't have the same meaning just because they sound similar.
You're trying to play the same dumb "absolute truth" game you think is clever, but is riddled with poor reasoning.


Your knowledge claim begs the question:
Is it absolutely true that words don't have the same meaning just because they sound similar?

As for poor reasoning, what is your reason for trusting reason?
victor809 Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:47 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Your knowledge claim begs the question:
Is it absolutely true that words don't have the same meaning just because they sound similar?

As for poor reasoning, what is your reason for trusting reason?


Dude.
Your use of the word "absolute" is tiresome and unnecessary.

There are words in our language which sound similar but do not have the same meaning. This is proven through the simple existence of homonyms (wear and where do not have the same meaning). Or through similar sounding words absolute zero does not mean the same as absolute hero. But there's only one letter change.

There is no need to say this is "absolutely true". It's a simple logical proof. It only has to occur once for the statement to be accurate. "absolute" is an irrelevant word.
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:51 AM EST
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half-truth.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:37 PM EST
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Absolutely
Dg west deptford Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:42 PM EST
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There you go again using logic?!
Is logic universal and unchanging?
Let me get this straight- you believe in truth just not absolute truth?
HockeyDad Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:48 PM EST
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Truthy
victor809 Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:48 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
There you go again using logic?!
Is logic universal and unchanging?
Let me get this straight- you believe in truth just not absolute truth?


Define "absolute truth". You've been using that term willy-nilly since you got here, but I don't think you actually know what it would mean.

True and False are binary terms. Something isn't "more true" or "less true" therefore the term "absolute truth" is itself a term which suggests you are not approaching a discussion logically.
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:50 PM EST
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2 x half-truth = absolute truth

Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:55 PM EST
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Fact-check sites use the term “mostly true” when Joe Biden lies and “mostly false” when Trump lies. I think it’s absolute mostly.
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 3:57 PM EST
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truth... truth... Mellow
Dg west deptford Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:01 PM EST
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Absolute truth= True for all people at all times everywhere.

victor809 Offline
#116 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:03 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Absolute truth= True for all people at all times everywhere.



And how is that different from "truth"?

If something is true, how can it be false for some people at some times somewhere? That makes it not true.
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#117 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:06 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
There you go again using logic?!
Is logic universal and unchanging?
Let me get this straight- you believe in truth just not absolute truth?


"Is logic universal and unchanging?" You might want to brush up on your Aristotle before asking absurd questions like that. And once you’re done, you may write us an essay on the difference between truth and logic; entirely different categories.

Boo hoo!
HockeyDad Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:08 PM EST
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What about absolute logic?
BuckyB93 Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Dude.
Your use of the word "absolute" is tiresome and unnecessary.

There are words in our language which sound similar but do not have the same meaning. This is proven through the simple existence of homonyms (wear and where do not have the same meaning). Or through similar sounding words absolute zero does not mean the same as absolute hero. But there's only one letter change.

There is no need to say this is "absolutely true". It's a simple logical proof. It only has to occur once for the statement to be accurate. "absolute" is an irrelevant word.


Think

I have a 6 sided die.
Every time I roll it, it will turn up a 4.
{I roll the die} It comes up a 4.

Therefore very time I roll a six sided die, it will turn up a 4. ("It only has to occur once for the statement to be accurate.")
Based on Victor's definition of logical proof, the above statement is accurate.

Cool. I'll make millions in Vegas. Thanks, Victor, for the lesson in logical proof.
Dg west deptford Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:13 PM EST
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Huh? You've deviated from your previous stance. Very happy to hear!
So you know some things to be true. That's fantastic!
Can I ask if you believe logic is universal or person relative?
Please tell me you don't need a definition for logic.
I'm happy to give one if needed
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#121 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:13 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Think

I have a 6 sided die.
Every time I roll it, it will turn up a 4.
{I roll the die} It comes up a 4.

Therefore very time I roll a six sided die, it will turn up a 4. ("It only has to occur once for the statement to be accurate.")
Based on Victor's definition of logical proof, the above statement is accurate.

Cool. I'll make millions in Vegas. Thanks, Victor, for the lesson in logical proof.


Context is important.
This is in the context of a sentence "There are X's in our Y which Z".
An identification of a single X in the Y which Zs would suffice to make that statement accurate.

You tried to extrapolate that to a "Every X of a Y will be a Z" which is dumb. Because you are dumb.
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#122 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:15 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Think

I have a 6 sided die.
Every time I roll it, it will turn up a 4.
{I roll the die} It comes up a 4.

Therefore very time I roll a six sided die, it will turn up a 4. ("It only has to occur once for the statement to be accurate.")
Based on Victor's definition of logical proof, the above statement is accurate.

Cool. I'll make millions in Vegas. Thanks, Victor, for the lesson in logical proof.



You’re confusing hypothesis with reality. But you smoke great cigars, so you get a pass.
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:16 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Huh? You've deviated from your previous stance. Very happy to hear!
So you know some things to be true. That's fantastic!
Can I ask if you believe logic is universal or person relative?
Please tell me you don't need a definition for logic.
I'm happy to give one if needed


You never answered my question.

And I'm not deviating anywhere.

So, identify a single "true" concept which is false at other times to other people.
ZRX1200 Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:16 PM EST
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Does he?
Dg west deptford Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:19 PM EST
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I'm not the one who has a problem with absolute truth. You on the other hand have in previous posts have denied the existence of truth. I can dig up and quote you if needed.
victor809 Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:19 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
You’re confusing hypothesis with reality. But you smoke great cigars, so you get a pass.


Actually, he stupidly enough substituted a ∀ for a ∃
victor809 Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:22 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
I'm not the one who has a problem with absolute truth. You on the other hand have in previous posts have denied the existence of truth. I can dig up and quote you if needed.


I would like to see them.
You tend to take very "absolute" stances on things which you shouldn't. Odds are you tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Now, again... show me an instance where something is "true" but "not true for all people".

(some smart people on this forum will get deep into quantum states or higher math concepts, but I don't want to get into that stuff. It makes my brain hurt. Let's keep this simple).
Dg west deptford Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:27 PM EST
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I believe in absolute truth so no, Truth is truth.
There is no instance where truth is relative in my worldview. I'm glad we agree on that!
May I continue this short apologetic with 2 more questions?
Is logic person relative or universal?
victor809 Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:32 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
I believe in absolute truth so no, Truth is truth.
There is no instance where truth is relative in my worldview. I'm glad we agree on that!
May I continue this short apologetic with 2 more questions?
Is logic person relative or universal?


Why would you call that "absolute truth"? The absolute is irrelevant and leads me to suspect you think a lot of things are "true" which aren't true at all, but you throw the "absolute" in front of them to pretend they're true.

The question is illegible.
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#130 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:39 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why would you call that "absolute truth"? The absolute is irrelevant and leads me to suspect you think a lot of things are "true" which aren't true at all, but you throw the "absolute" in front of them to pretend they're true.

The question is illegible.

stop fidgeting, he's trying to save your soul.
Or maybe your sole? Are your shoes OK?
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#131 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:40 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
stop fidgeting, he's trying to save your soul.
Or maybe your sole? Are your shoes OK?


They mean the same thing because they sound similar.
Dg west deptford Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 4:41 PM EST
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It's absolutely true, Frank caught me trying to glorify God again😁
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#133 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 6:01 PM EST
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step aside and let the Witnesses or even the Mormans take a shot at it, rookie!
Dg west deptford Offline
#134 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 6:26 PM EST
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Neither of those deceivers would know the truth if it slapped them in the face. Both of those liers made up their own "bible"
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#135 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 6:27 PM EST
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not The Prequel?
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#136 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 6:41 PM EST
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Both of those liers are Soo easy to refute, not even a challenge. I wish some were here so I could have some fun. I love it when they come to my door they either leave set free or brutally depressed. They don't come here anymore unfortunately. Caught some JWs skipping my house last year so I called after them and the trainee wanted to come but the elder took her by the arm
Pitiful
frankj1 Offline
#137 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 6:49 PM EST
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I'm just having some fun...creating a distraction while Victor runs out the side door.
Dg west deptford Offline
#138 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 7:01 PM EST
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Yeah I know, me too kinda... I am enthusiastic about faith, God's word & our loving Creator. Even more so since my mom's passing &current events that are clearly pointing to near fulfilment of certain prophecies recorded thousands of years ago by the oracles.
Speaking of oracles - How bout the Abraham accord today?!
First egypt then Jordan then 29 years? Now today Bahrain and UAE.
Shalom!
rfenst Offline
#139 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 7:15 PM EST
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It's a good start, but the Saudis need to do the same and better relations between Israel and Turkey need to to resume. Not complaining or criticizing.
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#140 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 7:23 PM EST
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Turkey can be thrown into a turkish prison from what I see.
Saudis are coming along with a bunch of others.
I'm more focused on the 3rd Temple. Let's get that thing built!
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#141 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:05 PM EST
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"I'm telling you the truth, I'm a liar" absolutely real, believe me.
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#142 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 8:50 PM EST
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Your a lying, theiving, adulterous, blaspheming, idolatrous murderer at heart like the rest of us.
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#143 Posted: Wed, Sep 16 2020, 11:38 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Both of those liers are Soo easy to refute, not even a challenge. I wish some were here so I could have some fun. I love it when they come to my door they either leave set free or brutally depressed. They don't come here anymore unfortunately. Caught some JWs skipping my house last year so I called after them and the trainee wanted to come but the elder took her by the arm
Pitiful


Oh the f*cking irony.
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#144 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 9:14 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Neither of those deceivers would know the truth if it slapped them in the face. Both of those liers made up their own "bible"


How is theirs any different than your bible?
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#145 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 9:15 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm just having some fun...creating a distraction while Victor runs out the side door.


Thanks frank, needed to grab some sammiches.
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#146 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 9:21 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
How is theirs any different than your bible?


They're newer... newer is better... cause old stuff is old... and stuff.
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#147 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 11:54 AM EST
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If they wrote a new modern day version I'd prolly be in it... Mellow
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#148 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 1:33 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
If they wrote a new modern day version I'd prolly be in it... Mellow


I’d be in the section that talked about “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's”. The next sentence would be “And Caesar will render those things to consultants under the Cone of Protection”
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#149 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 1:45 PM EST
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we could work that in.... I'm thinking it should be about man's search for CROS.... Mellow
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#150 Posted: Thu, Sep 17 2020, 3:53 PM EST
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Your in the old one, you don't see it,or comprehend it. This is illusion is a delusional denial. Absolutely 🥺.
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