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Biden’s Vulnerability
rfenst Offline
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The latest New York Times/Siena College poll showed Joe Biden to be leading President Trump in four important swing states. But it also showed how Biden could lose the election.

If the campaign is a referendum on the coronavirus, Trump will probably lose. The U.S. has suffered more than almost any other rich country, as many voters realize. When new outbreaks were exploding this summer, Biden’s lead grew to almost 10 percentage points.

But the other issue that’s dominated the news in recent months — the combination of police violence, racial injustice, peaceful protests and rising crime in many cities — is more politically complicated. It has the potential to hurt both Trump and Biden, in different ways. And so far, Biden has not managed to send voters a persuasive message that protects his vulnerabilities.

Perhaps the most surprising finding from the poll was this: In the four swing states — Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire and Wisconsin — a larger share of voters said “addressing law and order” was a more important campaign issue to them than said “addressing the coronavirus pandemic” was.

On first glance, these law-and-order concerns may still seem to help Biden. More voters trust him to do a better job on several related issues — including violent crime, unifying the country and handling the protests — than trust Trump. But it’s not quite that simple.

Remember: Most Americans have already made up their minds about the election. Their answers to poll questions about which candidate they trust on specific issues are almost meaningless at this point. The bigger issue is how undecided and uncommitted voters feel.

Biden’s problem is that, on the broad issues of crime and policing, he appears to have a larger group of soft supporters — people who could flip — than Trump does. As Nate Cohn, a Times reporter who helped oversee the poll, told me, “There is definitely some Biden support with worry about crime.” Those worries span Black, Latino and white voters.

Biden does have potential ways to address these weaknesses. A large share of people say they think he supports defunding the police — a position Biden rejects but one he evidently has not been clear enough about. (The vagueness of “defund the police,” and whether it means abolish or reduce police funding, is part of his challenge.) A majority of poll respondents also said Biden “hasn’t done enough to condemn violent rioting.” Even 27 percent of his own supporters gave that answer.

Every political campaign is a mixture of offense and defense. For Biden, there are obvious ways to go on the offense — about the virus, Biden’s economic agenda, Trump’s inflaming of racism and his incitement of chaos during protests. But the complex swirl of issues around those protests, including violence and the future of policing, also creates some problems for Biden.

He hasn’t yet solved them. That’s one reason that the campaign has not turned into the rout that seemed possible this summer.

NYT
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted:
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Vulnerabilities?

Biden?


Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted:
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His biggest vunerability?

He orders "GREENLIGHTS" ON INNOCENT U.S. TARGETED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS...and he is a first DEGREE MURDERER along with Barry and Comey...

He's a PREMEDITATED FIRST CLASS FELON AND SHOULD BE IN JAIL...

VOTE TRUMP.
tonygraz Offline
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Jones has obviously been indoctrinated during his years at trump University.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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"The U.S. has suffered more than almost any other rich country, as many voters realize."


What an absolutely vile f*cking statement...
Smooth light Offline
#6 Posted:
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More Monday quarterbacking.

SO you knew everything about C-19 before any one else, shame on you for not curing US!
frankj1 Offline
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been reading bits about Biden not pushing harder for the Latino vote which could be more important than ever if they turn out heavily this time...Bernie has especially spoken out about Biden's need to address this. Bernie did well with that group as you may recall.

Still feels like Trump wins to me, in similar ways as 2016. Not easy to remove a sitting POTUS, tougher still when the nation faces crises.
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Still feels like Trump wins to me....

I agree
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted:
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Naw....Biden’s got this in the bag.
Smooth light Offline
#10 Posted:
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A way to excape the basement,hide in a bag , out with the trash. Dementia, he's all must over the edge.

Keep believing

Brain salad surgery, appointment take a number please

Hehehe

opelmanta1900 Offline
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Smooth light wrote:
A way to excape the basement,hide in a bag , out with the trash. Dementia, he's all must over the edge.

Keep believing

Brain salad surgery, appointment take a number please

Hehehe


Ok, this guy might actually be Biden...
Stogie1020 Offline
#12 Posted:
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Waiting for that first debate without teleprompters for the "basement man"...
MACS Offline
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https://tinyurl.com/yyrg2cjr

^That's the guy some people want to elect to run the USA. Clearly he has dementia.
Stogie1020 Offline
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MACS wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/yyrg2cjr

^That's the guy some people want to elect to run the USA. Clearly he has dementia.


I think it's pretty clear he has no likelihood of serving four years... He (or his people) plan for him to abdicate.

I mean, the White House only has so much soft food and phonographs. He will have to go.
MACS Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pe_yVNIJQ
delta1 Offline
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I dunno...but I think most of the country is fatigued from the 3 and a half years of a self absorbed, belligerent, con-man drama queen POTUS...the latest Woodward recordings have clearly exposed what most Americans, except his base, suspected from the beginning...Trump's own words show his disdain and disregard for the health and well-being of average Americans...


if not for all of Trump's personal flaws and character issues, he'd be unbeatable...as much as his supporters (about 40% of Americans) are willing to over-look the obvious leadership failings, there are nearly 60% of Americans who are not Trump supporters and who see Trump as an unlikable bully, undeserving of four more years...

the choice will be Bozo vs Pennywise...Americans will go with the likable clown almost every the time


Biden by a huge margin of popular votes and a slim majority of electoral votes...an all-time high voter turnout...
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pe_yVNIJQ


Michigan....Military. Well they both start with an M, honest mistake.fog
So all those big numbers on a piece of confuse him..d'oh! .
ZRX1200 Offline
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Vote JoJo2020!!!
Smooth light Offline
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Taxidermy , they'll make you think he's alive and well when he is dead. Their just practicing now! 😏
delta1 Offline
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208 Weekends at Bernie's!
Smooth light Offline
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Football practice, can't play games on weekends because they are losers.
Dg west deptford Offline
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Politicians hide themselves away, they only started the war. Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor. Yeah

Guess Trump didn't get Ozzy's memo.
But Joe Hiden did!
Speaking of warpigs, how 'bout that Pompeo? I'd vote for Trump just to keep Mike as Secretary.
Remember when Secretary Kerry said ending the iran deal would isolate Israel ? HA!
Bahrain, UAE & soon the Saudis & others will be normalized.
Pelosi is pissed!
#Winning!
frankj1 Offline
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peace with two countries that never were in a war with Israel and had been working with them for years?
Don't get me wrong, it's good. But it's got nothing to do with peace.
It's about them finally admitting they never gave one chit about the Palestinians...which Israel always knew.

and about getting our weapons.

Hope they get used against Iran and not Israel.
Smooth light Offline
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"the fairies 🧚 wear boots and you got to believe them."🥤kool-aid kids at it again, over-dose.
Pelosi helping to put the fires out.🔥
"Electric funeral"but they have a power outage. Decide to just burn them." What that smell"the left coast, C-19 victims.😷
bgz Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
peace with two countries that never were in a war with Israel and had been working with them for years?
Don't get me wrong, it's good. But it's got nothing to do with peace.
It's about them finally admitting they never gave one chit about the Palestinians...which Israel always knew.

and about getting our weapons.

Hope they get used against Iran and not Israel.


Does anyone give a sh*t about the Palestinians?
rfenst Offline
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bgz wrote:
Does anyone give a sh*t about the Palestinians?

Not even their own leaders.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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bgz wrote:
Does anyone give a sh*t about the Palestinians?



The who?

They elected their leadership and got the path they wanted. Sucks to be them. Israel needs to just boot them to the sea and continue making a prosperous place to live without their terror attacks, bombings and mortar strikes all while using human shields. When I saw how much was donated to the PLO and they still look like the live in downtown Detroit...F them.

Anyone screaming death to any nation...cannot be dealt with.
Smooth light Offline
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Free land in Antarctica give it them so they can chill out. Bet they make a deal, and stop screaming death.

Hands off the penguins!!! Or can you spell airstrike.
DrafterX Offline
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Bloody loves him some penguins... as well as other assorted waterfowl... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The who?

They elected their leadership and got the path they wanted. Sucks to be them. Israel needs to just boot them to the sea and continue making a prosperous place to live without their terror attacks, bombings and mortar strikes all while using human shields. When I saw how much was donated to the PLO and they still look like the live in downtown Detroit...F them.

Anyone screaming death to any nation...cannot be dealt with.

yup.
well, except for the billions that Arafat took to Paris and wherever else he had condos...
so a lot of the money never made it!
they had a shot without him.
BuckyB93 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
yup.
well, except for the billions that Arafat took to Paris and wherever else he had condos...
so a lot of the money never made it!
they should have had a shot without him.


Fixed it for you
Smooth light Offline
#32 Posted:
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Smirnoff vodka 100proof shots with jumbo shrimp, excellent appetizer

Penguins to keep warm, shrimp because they don't/ can't eat pork
frankj1 Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Fixed it for you

there is an argument for this...
Speyside Offline
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So it comes down to this. Is Trump or Biden more viable. I think 98.2% of Americans have already decided and their minds won't be changed.
Smooth light Offline
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Shrimp or pork
frankj1 Offline
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no Kosher choices?
DrafterX Offline
#37 Posted:
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I think I have some pickles.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Check your prison wallet
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted:
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just old shrimp and pork.
Smooth light Offline
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Little stub,big momma spell it frustration.
Arab life can't decide how to get better camel toes without sand in them 🧕.
Dg west deptford Offline
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Some wonder why evangelicals support Trump.
I'll answer with a question:

Why do Satanists support Biden?
Did you know Satanists have a Pac?

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/09/satanists-and-witches-biden-daniel-greenfield/

No surprise, I know. Yet some still think Biden represents the party of light. The Satanists know who the candidate of darkness is.

The Devil hates Trump.- You can tell a lot about someone by who hates them.
He hates Biden also of course, (being the image of his Creator) but he's got his vote and full support
opelmanta1900 Offline
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White supremacists support Trump... are they the light?
bgz Offline
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Why yes, they are... very light.
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Some wonder why evangelicals support Trump.
I'll answer with a question:

Why do Satanists support Biden?
Did you know Satanists have a Pac?

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/09/satanists-and-witches-biden-daniel-greenfield/

No surprise, I know. Yet some still think Biden represents the party of light. The Satanists know who the candidate of darkness is.

The Devil hates Trump.- You can tell a lot about someone by who hates them.
He hates Biden also of course, (being the image of his Creator) but he's got his vote and full support


^ another one I would lime to get on the vherf....

Dg... you throwin some woowoo crap around again? (Roganism)

You seriously think a being who's dominion is the universe has 4 limbs, a head and a d*ck?

Witches and satanists... rofl gtfo of here.
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
^ another one I would lime to get on the vherf....

Dg... you throwin some woowoo crap around again? (Roganism)

You seriously think a being who's dominion is the universe has 4 limbs, a head and a d*ck?

Witches and satanists... rofl gtfo of here.


Whatzthematta bgz? Dg has a good point.
I could definitely see if I were a Satanist that I would be a fanboy of the most Progressive candidate and the Party of Darkness.
bgz Offline
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Isn't Lucifer the angel of light?
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Some wonder why evangelicals support Trump.
I'll answer with a question:

Why do Satanists support Biden?
Did you know Satanists have a Pac?

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/09/satanists-and-witches-biden-daniel-greenfield/

No surprise, I know. Yet some still think Biden represents the party of light. The Satanists know who the candidate of darkness is.

The Devil hates Trump.- You can tell a lot about someone by who hates them.
He hates Biden also of course, (being the image of his Creator) but he's got his vote and full support


You know that there is no such thing as the devil, right? And you also know that satanists aren't actually believers in "satan"... right? They don't believe in any of the christian dogma and are LARPing satanism as performance art and to make points about the separation of church and state.
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I heard they bite off live chiken heads and stuff.... Mellow
Smooth light Offline
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He's your guiding light (lucifer). I love to kill,rape,steal, destroy,spread mayhem, and blame it on someone else). Progressive programming.... No no no it wasn't me,same as the devil
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I thought that was shaggy...
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