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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted:
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I could give a rat's azz about their politics. I do care greatly that they are constitutionalists, and make their decisions based on the constitution and nothing else. Our judicial system was implemented to be separate from our political system and desperately needs to get back to being so.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
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Ok, ok, I'll do it... you don't have to beg...


Seriously though, do you know anyone who knows less about politics? I'd be perfect!
BuckyB93 Offline
#3 Posted:
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Posts: 14,152
So your not in the camp that hoped RGB died or retired 4 or 5 years ago so a Obama could backfill her slot?
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
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I heard he just dry humped her.... Mellow
bgz Offline
#5 Posted:
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I heard after that a cop shot her :/
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted:
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... and that's why I kneel...
bgz Offline
#7 Posted:
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I thought you just liked the cabasa.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Posts: 60,560
Hope Roberts is the next one replaced
Smooth light Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
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They give opinions,we decide if it valid, enforcement maybe if it in our self-interest.

Last day of SUMMER... it's chessburg day 🍔🍔 enjoy, I'm getting hungry.
Speyside Offline
#10 Posted:
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No. I'm not Bucky, also I hate that McConnell did not bring Obama's nominee to the floor. That was wrong.
Gene363 Offline
#11 Posted:
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Posts: 30,787
The SCOTUS Memes are going to be...












Ruthless!
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,244
Speyside wrote:
No. I'm not Bucky, also I hate that McConnell did not bring Obama's nominee to the floor. That was wrong.

RBG said that Obama fulfilled his constitutional duty selecting Merrick Garland, but the Senate should have done its duty and at least given Garland an up or down vote.
BuckyB93 Offline
#13 Posted:
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Spey,

Post #3 was not directed at you. Sorry if it came across that way.

It was directed at those in another RIP post who insinuated that they wish she died or retired under Obama's watch so Obama had a chance to nominate a replacement. I didn't want to sully the RIP post with political crap (which it will end up being) so tried to back out without further comment within that specific post. Your post was in the appropriate forum and I agree with your initial post 100%.

I, like you, firmly believe that the Supreme Court or any court for that matter has be completely blind to any politics or any bias of any sort. Judges HAVE to rule based ONLY on the laws as they are written and interpret it without prejudice.

It's an idealistic position that will never happen as long as humans are involved but it should be the gold standard for which we should strive for.

In a symbolic way, this is my interpretation of justice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice

The the foundation of checks and balances that the founders tried to write in the Constitution should remain timeless and not be blurred which they seem to be getting more and more.

Legislative branch makes the laws.
Judicial branch interprets the laws.
Executive branch enforces the laws.

Simplistic view of it, I know. I'm sure some of the Cigar Scholars here will pipe up to scold me and belittle me for such a basic view but that's expected. I believe if and when either branch crosses into the lines of responsibility and power of one of the other branches, we have a problem.
Krazeehorse Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 04-09-2010
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Do they even teach civics in hs anymore Bucky?
BuckyB93 Offline
#15 Posted:
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Actually, my daughter in Jr High has her first civics class this semester. I couldn't do much other than chuckle.

I don't have much confidence in the current teaching establishment to teach independent thought in classes like these without injecting their own preconceived biases.
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Spey,

Post #3 was not directed at you. Sorry if it came across that way.

It was directed at those in another RIP post who insinuated that they wish she died or retired under Obama's watch so Obama had a chance to nominate a replacement. I didn't want to sully the RIP post with political crap (which it will end up being) so tried to back out without further comment within that specific post. Your post was in the appropriate forum and I agree with your initial post 100%.

No one said they wished her to die during Obama's tenure. You made that up.
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,772
has there ever been a POTUS who nominated a SCOTUS candidate without consideration of political beliefs...

the last two that were approved had clear records which indicated their political foundation...that's why they were nominated...

there have been some nominations with a heavy consideration of moderation due to the current political winds, but I don't know of a single SCOTUS who was chosen only for his judicial intellect...
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted:
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Buckeye, thank you for the clarification.

I put this up for just that reason, she deserves respect, but like Scalia and any other SCOTUS judge who passed does. IMHO they have the most important role in the country. In truth I would love to see a libertarian nominated. , not in the political sense, but in the thought process. A libertarian Supreme Court might solve many of our problems.
RayR Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
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Speyside wrote:
Buckeye, thank you for the clarification.

I put this up for just that reason, she deserves respect, but like Scalia and any other SCOTUS judge who passed does. IMHO they have the most important role in the country. In truth I would love to see a libertarian nominated. , not in the political sense, but in the thought process. A libertarian Supreme Court might solve many of our problems.


Foremost a Supreme court justice if you understand federalism is not the most important role in the country. If these unelected black robed justices for life have the most important role in the country, then you are living under a judicial tyranny.
As Ron Paul (a real libertarian) wrote "Since many citizens lack basic knowledge of our Constitution and federalist system, they are easily manipulated by media and academic elites who tell them that judges are the absolute and final arbiters of US law. But the Supreme Court is not supreme over the other branches of government; it is supreme only over lower federal courts. If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government."

The lower federal courts themselves are a creation of Congress under Article III of the Constitution, "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." As you can see by the wording, Congress can create, destroy, restructure the inferior courts or limit federal court jurisdiction. Obviously Congress hasn't had any backbone to use their authority, probably because they like judicial activism when it suits their rotten agendas.

So what do you think, would any President in the two-party duopoly ever nominate a real libertarian? It's pretty hard to imagine since the Democrats and Republicans prefer a judge they think they can control and rubber stamp their unconstitutional laws if challenged. The thought that either would nominate a libertarian loose cannon who would adjudicate only based on the Constitution seems unthinkable.
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted:
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but Ray, often the pick thought to be controllable departs from that assumed policy and either uses independent judgement, or is persuaded by another view in discussions, or simply supports precedent.
Mr. Jones Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,400
dRaFtE rX at his supreme court justice application hearing:

"I am DrafterX...I LIKE BEER, I LIKE TO DRINK BEER A LOT,
I LIKE TO DRINK BEER WITH BIFF, SKIP, peteY AND HIMEY...
WE DRINK LOTS OF BEER...
THeN WE DRY HUmp ANyThiNG THAT MOvES OR HaS A PulSE..."
Mr. Jones Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
Posts: 19,400
dRaFtE rX at his supreme court justice application hearing:

"I am DrafterX...I LIKE BEER, I LIKE TO DRINK BEER A LOT,
I LIKE TO DRINK BEER WITH BIFF, SKIP, peteY AND HIMEY...
WE DRINK LOTS OF BEER...
THeN WE DRY HUmp ANyThiNG THAT MOvES OR HaS A PulSE..."
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted:
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I was talking about my opinion RayR. We presently have 2 broken branches of the federal government, again in my opinion. I think right now SCOTUS needs to be our beacon of hope by rising above the concepts of Republican and Democrat. Neither of those 2 groups represent we the people. They just con different groups of people.

We need SCOTUS to bring the constitution back full measure by ALL being constitutionalists. We can not accept anyone using different meanings for words in the constitution. That is BS. The meaning of the constitution is based off of when it was written. Can I imagine a libertarian being on SCOTUS? No. Maybe it would be better if I used the term constitutionalist.

Yes, you are correct about powers in theory. I am speaking about the reality of now. The reason I use libertarian is because I think they are so much closer to constitutionalists than Republicans or Democrats are. Patrick Henry said " Give me liberty or give me death. ". TRUTH!
delta1 Offline
#24 Posted:
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spey...the Constitution has been amended 27 times...do you think the US is better off today compared to when the Constitution was written and the US was founded?
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted:
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and Big Ben Franklin disliked quite a bit of the finished product, yet decided to sign and persuade other hold outs to sign as well...cuz it was not nor could ever be perfect.
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted:
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Amended, that is the key word Delta. That was the tool our forefathers gave us. Constitutional nullification through modern word definition is not acceptable.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
spey...the Constitution has been amended 27 times...do you think the US is better off today compared to when the Constitution was written and the US was founded?


One of those was the progressives banning alcohol
Speyside Offline
#28 Posted:
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Those weren't progressives, back in the day they were known as repressives!
RayR Offline
#29 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
One of those was the progressives banning alcohol


It's not a coincidence that the worst amendments were ratified during the Progressive Era. It's a sin that the only one to be repealed was the 18th, alcohol prohibition. An even greater service would have been to repeal the 16th and 17th also.
RayR Offline
#30 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
but Ray, often the pick thought to be controllable departs from that assumed policy and either uses independent judgement, or is persuaded by another view in discussions, or simply supports precedent.


This is true Frank, sometimes a judge remembers their job is to adjudicate with defending and protecting the Constitution in mind and other times they rule by bad precedents set by activist judges.

frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted:
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and good precedents as well.
Gene363 Offline
#32 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Those weren't progressives, back in the day they were known as repressives!


No difference, e.g., cancel culture.

Just like the fascist, just saying.
Smooth light Offline
#33 Posted:
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Leopard changing spots, different shades of blue but it's still the same blue (progressive ,repressive, fascist ,socialist ,liberal).

Cancel there culture of fantasies, whatever the verbiage they try to coerced us with.
Speyside Offline
#34 Posted:
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Are you really that Fn dumb? It was a joke that I am sure Gene understood. I have basically avoided conversing with you because I would call out your ignorance. If I agreed with you then we both would be morons. Disagree with my all you want but at least try to act like you know something, anything. Your level of stupid is truly humbling. Chimps have more logic than you do.
Smooth light Offline
#35 Posted:
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Brain dead is not a excuse for no comprehension. Anything to justify hate.
Next you'll call me a Russian bot. your so redundant. I got something you can stroke your ego on.

(Disagree with (my) all you...) proper verbiage would be (me) mutant.

🐒's to you.❄️go find your safe place and squat.
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