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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 3:55 PM EST
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do you think he's gonna pay the bills for some felon wearing a MAGA hat..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 4:06 PM EST
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dunno if he has the time or the man-power or the inclination to get signed declarations from every felon...

it's FL...where Kraft was found not guilty even though there was video evidence...and Gaetz is a clown...

but it would be entertaining to see what happens if they do prosecute Bloomberg...
rfenst Online
#53 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 4:59 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
it's debatable that Fla. Stat. § 104.061 (2) applies...

no evidence that any promises to vote for anyone, or just to vote, were made in exchange...

That's a legal argument. did all this in the open (transparency), so what could be the harm? Another legal argument is that he.. . damn - I can probably work out 5-10 arguments for each side, but I got get paid for that. It hurts my retired brain.
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#54 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 5:05 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
do you think he's gonna pay the bills for some felon wearing a MAGA hat..?? Huh
I don't think he has any choice if they are one of the people he announced he wants to make payments for. So, yes
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 5:48 PM EST
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if he's not running seems to be considerably different than if Trump or Biden did this.
The paying of fines etc allows them to vote, it does not require it nor ask for a specific promise to vote...


though everyone knows it would likely be strongly Dem.
But freeing up legal voters to vote should be encouraged even when things change.
The more legal voters, the healthier.
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 5:54 PM EST
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But someone else paying your restitution doesn't really meet the courts intended requirements does it... it's like letting someone else do your time... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 6:18 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
are illegal alien felons included too..?? Huh


Only those from other solar systems that don't wear maga hats.
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 6:35 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
But someone else paying your restitution doesn't really meet the courts intended requirements does it... it's like letting someone else do your time... Mellow

gotta agree wif ya, William.

but not sure if that part was added by the FL Legislature and Governor or was in the original vote approved by the citizens.

I'm gonna respect the C-Bid Law of Proximity on this one.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 6:36 PM EST
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Screw the other solar systems.... Not talking
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#60 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 6:39 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
gotta agree wif ya, William.

but not sure if that part was added by the FL Legislature and Governor or was in the original vote approved by the citizens.

I'm gonna respect the C-Bid Law of Proximity on this one.



Thanks man... if it wasn't included it shoulda been... it prolly wasn't expected.. Mellow
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#61 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 7:10 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
But someone else paying your restitution doesn't really meet the courts intended requirements does it... it's like letting someone else do your time... Mellow

Restitution is not a penalty. It's payment of damages required by a criminal court as opposed to a civil court. Same thing, different name.
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#62 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 7:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Screw the other solar systems.... Not talking

Why? It revolves around me, doesn't it? LOL
frankj1 Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 7:38 PM EST
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I've always thought so.
Smooth light Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 7:54 PM EST
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Restitution for murder, what the price for life taken. No vote ever sounds equal.
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 8:00 PM EST
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Smooth light wrote:
Restitution for murder, what the price for life taken. No vote ever sounds equal.

FL voters agreed.
Not all felons can vote.
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#66 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 8:01 PM EST
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Interesting thread, there are many assumptions being offered here. This is down and dirty politics. You are missing the only assumption that matters legally. Innocent untill proven guilty. Bloomberg's actions are not breaking any law.

So I will play the devils advocate. Robert, on a percentage basis far more black people are convicted of a felony than white people are. Mr Bloomberg is simply trying to right that wrong when it comes to voting. He is only paying for black people because he wants to right a wrong that cultural bias has created. What law is he breaking?

Note, I do not believe any of what I just said. I am simply trying to point out that there is no way to disprove what I just said. Also I do not think any laws were broken in that scenario.
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#67 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 8:25 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Interesting thread, there are many assumptions being offered here. This is down and dirty politics. You are missing the only assumption that matters legally. Innocent untill proven guilty. Bloomberg's actions are not breaking any law.

So I will play the devils advocate. Robert, on a percentage basis far more black people are convicted of a felony than white people are. Mr Bloomberg is simply trying to right that wrong when it comes to voting. He is only paying for black people because he wants to right a wrong that cultural bias has created. What law is he breaking?

Note, I do not believe any of what I just said. I am simply trying to point out that there is no way to disprove what I just said. Also I do not think any laws were broken in that scenario.

I haven't seen anywhere the distinction that Blumberg was only paying black ex-felons' debts.
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#68 Posted: Wed, Sep 23 2020, 8:59 PM EST
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No, no, I was just choosing a non existant scenario. Even in one so extreme I would see no way to prove a law had been broken. Plus it might be the Percocet talking.
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#69 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 7:27 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
No, no, I was just choosing a non existant scenario. Even in one so extreme I would see no way to prove a law had been broken. Plus it might be the Percocet talking.

Percocet. Enjoy the ride!
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#70 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 12:45 PM EST
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-florida-ag-refers-bloomberg-to-fbi-for-criminal-investigation-after-he-pledged-to-pay-felons-fines-so-they-can-vote-in-apparent-attempt-to-boost-biden
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#71 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 1:00 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I haven't seen anywhere the distinction that Blumberg was only paying black ex-felons' debts.


It is blacks and Hispanics.
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 1:41 PM EST
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nobody ever thinks about the Somali pirates... Sad
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#73 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 1:44 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
both are fruits...

just as both gifts of money are attempts to buy votes...

if Trump wasn't pandering for votes, why did he wait three years to send desperately needed money to Puerto Rico, during which time people suffered and died...

why wait until a month and a half before his re-election?


the reality is that Trump is such a disliked person among Puerto Rican voters (73% disapproval), they're gonna take the money and give him a finger in return

and who knows how many former criminals, stout citizens the lot, will bother to exercise their franchise?


+1 fog

I think they need to allow more alcohol sales on election day. Beer
tonygraz Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
nobody ever thinks about the Somali pirates... Sad


I heard Trump banned them.
HockeyDad Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:09 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I heard Trump banned them.


I heard they died from Covid.
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#76 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:11 PM EST
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I heard cops shot them because they “fit a description” of some other pirates Mellow....

PLM
rfenst Online
#77 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:15 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-florida-ag-refers-bloomberg-to-fbi-for-criminal-investigation-after-he-pledged-to-pay-felons-fines-so-they-can-vote-in-apparent-attempt-to-boost-biden

They are idiots. They also should have gone to court and gotten an Emergency Temporary Protection Order. That would stop what Blumberg is doing at least for a couple days. Once in court, it can quickly move it to Florida's supreme court, where the sate will likely prevail.
HockeyDad Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:29 PM EST
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I wonder if they can get a no-knock warrant for Bloomberg and arrest him.
delta1 Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:39 PM EST
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his front door would be too sturdy to ram open...

he prolly has a CCTV system so he can see who's at the door...

his bodyguards prolly know all the officers on the force...

if not, he prolly has an escape hatch in his basement
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:41 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
his front door would be too sturdy to ram open...

he prolly has a CCTV system so he can see who's at the door...

his bodyguards prolly know all the officers on the force...

if not, he prolly has an escape hatch in his basement



Sounds like Scarface!
delta1 Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 4:56 PM EST
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or El Chapo
rfenst Online
#82 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 5:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
or El Chapo

Yeah. Great movie.
Smooth light Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Sep 24 2020, 9:02 PM EST
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Right to Joe B. Basement.
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