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Is Louisville Burning?
HockeyDad Offline
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Do we have a start time yet for the riot tonight?
DrafterX Offline
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It takes time to rent uhauls and stuff... Mellow
Cheno Offline
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Chicago is having a moment of silence at 7, so my guess is around 730ish Chicago will be
deadeyedick Offline
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Funny how hundreds of articles said this was “no knock” yet the findings of the grand jury did not find that.
RayR Offline
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deadeyedick wrote:
Funny how hundreds of articles said this was “no knock” yet the findings of the grand jury did not find that.


Doesn't matter, one excuse for rioting, burning and looting is just as good as another for the Marxist Orcs.
rfenst Offline
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What's the over under on whether there will be rioting, destruction of property, looting, injuring or killing others?

HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
What's the over under on whether there will be rioting, destruction of property, looting, injuring or killing others?



I’m going 50/50. I’m not sure the Democrats are going to give the riot order this time since they’re worried it might be hurting the election chances rather than extorting votes with threats of continued violence.
MACS Offline
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Stay safe, Buckwheat...
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m going 50/50. I’m not sure the Democrats are going to give the riot order this time since they’re worried it might be hurting the election chances rather than extorting votes with threats of continued violence.

Nothing really happening as of yet in Louisville. Curfew at 9pm. Then we'll see if people don't disperse.
Speyside Offline
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In truth though I am worried for Louisville I think Portland will be hit worse. I wish the Portland mayor, Oregon AG, et al did their damn jobs.
RobertHively Offline
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SO the cops didn't bust into her house in the middle of the night, without announcing it? Didn't they shoot her to death when there wasn't even a warrant for her arrest? If not then who shot her?

Seriously asking. I have only heard bits of the story and haven't really researched it. If they didn't do that then why in the world would they give her family 12 million dollars as compensation?

Anyone know?
delta1 Offline
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her residence was suspected of having a large amount of drugs within...her former boyfriend dealt drugs...

police in plainclothes serving a night-time warrant broke open the front door of her apartment after midnight and upon entry, were shot at by Taylor's current boyfriend, injuring one officer...

three police officers returned fire, killing Taylor...

the warrant was not a no-knock, but had been changed to a knock and announce...

there's some dispute about whether the police knocked and announced before breaking in...police said they did...eleven witnesses said they didn't...

Taylor's boyfriend said he didn't hear any announcement and believed it was a home invasion...

no drugs were found
Krazeehorse Offline
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As to the OP two cops shot in Louisville tonight. Suspect in custody.
MACS Offline
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Burning and killing cops is not a protest, it's a damn riot. When will people wake up. This lawlessness needs to be squashed, quickly.
izonfire Offline
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Criminal acts by certain groups are to be tolerated.
Thus encouraging more if it...
rfenst Offline
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RobertHively wrote:
SO the cops didn't bust into her house in the middle of the night, without announcing it? Didn't they shoot her to death when there wasn't even a warrant for her arrest? If not then who shot her?

Seriously asking. I have only heard bits of the story and haven't really researched it. If they didn't do that then why in the world would they give her family 12 million dollars as compensation?

Anyone know?

Because 12 million is less than the $15, $20 or $25 million a jury might award.
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MACS wrote:
Stay safe, Buckwheat...


Thanks brother. No problem being safe. Just stay away from downtown. Even though there were threats that the protestors were going to storm the suburbs. I have weapons and I know how to use them. I did see several businesses boarded up Wednesday evening when I was downtown. Mostly, it's people looking for trouble and starting chit to try to make a point. fog
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
Burning and killing cops is not a protest, it's a damn riot. When will people wake up. This lawlessness needs to be squashed, quickly.

Yes.
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delta1 wrote:
her residence was suspected of having a large amount of drugs within...her former boyfriend dealt drugs...

police in plainclothes serving a night-time warrant broke open the front door of her apartment after midnight and upon entry, were shot at by Taylor's current boyfriend, injuring one officer...

three police officers returned fire, killing Taylor...

the warrant was not a no-knock, but had been changed to a knock and announce...

there's some dispute about whether the police knocked and announced before breaking in...police said they did...eleven witnesses said they didn't...

Taylor's boyfriend said he didn't hear any announcement and believed it was a home invasion...

no drugs were found



If you want an omelette, you have to break some eggs.

What if the boyfriend would've answered the door, followed instructions and didn't shoot at the police?

I have no sympathy when "Bonnie and Clyde" go down.
rfenst Offline
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Legally, a warrant is only as good as the info available and relied upon at the time it was issued. Whatever occurs afterwards is irrelevant, in terms of warrant legitimacy. You cannot reference anything that occurs after the issuance of the warrant to reach "back" and validate the warrant. I want to see the warrant and underlying evidence allegedly relied upon. Having said that, I do think the guy had the right to defend himself and the home regardless whether the warrant was no knock or knock and announce, based on what I know of so far.
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MACS wrote:
Burning and killing cops is not a protest, it's a damn riot. When will people wake up. This lawlessness needs to be squashed, quickly.


Frost did my squash in or I would send you some for your project.
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
Burning and killing cops is not a protest, it's a damn riot. When will people wake up. This lawlessness needs to be squashed, quickly.


Don't worry left coast Seattle has a progressive plan

Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer ‘alternatives to policing’

https://www.unz.com/isteve/seattle-pays-a-pimp-150k-to-serve-as-street-czar/
Smooth light Offline
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Now you can bribe the cops with dunkin 💃instead of donuts. Cost more tho.💵
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rfenst wrote:
Legally, a warrant is only as good as the info available and relied upon at the time it was issued. Whatever occurs afterwards is irrelevant, in terms of warrant legitimacy. You cannot reference anything that occurs after the issuance of the warrant to reach "back" and validate the warrant. I want to see the warrant and underlying evidence allegedly relied upon. Having said that, I do think the guy had the right to defend himself and the home regardless whether the warrant was no knock or knock and announce, based on what I know of so far.

WTFBBQ???


Police had a search warrant signed off by a Judge and you think the guy has the right to defend himself against the police when they serve the warrant? Am I understanding you correctly? I mean, defend youself with Ben crump, sure, but with a gun? Hell no.

I have been on the serving side of many warrants. anyone has issues with the probable cause in my warrant can absolutely take it up with a judge after I serve the warrant. Shoot at me though, and you are taking a dirt nap.

The only thing I have an issue with in this case is the indiscriminate firing by the officers (even their chief was like WTF). You can't just lay down suppressive fire in a civilian law enforcement environment and not expect to hit bystanders.

My sole question regarding this incident is" Would we be having this discussion at all if the boyfriend had died and BT had not been hit?"
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I heard he was hiding behind her.... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
If you want an omelette, you have to break some eggs.

What if the boyfriend would've answered the door, followed instructions and didn't shoot at the police?

I have no sympathy when "Bonnie and Clyde" go down.


what instructions?

based on the various reports, there was a loud pounding, which frightened Taylor and Walker...both occupants yelled "who is it"...no answer so he grabbed a gun...and they both got up and headed toward the door...the door was then knocked off the hinges with a battering ram...cops were in plainclothes and did not identify themselves...neighbors said they heard loud pounding, then shots fired...no one heard "police, open up"...Walker fired one shot...three cops fired 20 shots...

if someone pounds on your front door while you and your lady friend are in bed watching TV at 12:40 AM... ignores your request for identification, then breaks the door off the hinges...while you're inside your home...you're not gonna defend yourself if you didn't know they were cops?


neither Taylor nor Walker had criminal records...there were no drugs or other evidence of criminal behavior found in the apartment...
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They were looking for her previous boyfriend from what I heard... he supposedly was shipping and receiving drugs from her address...not making excuses.. just what I heard.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
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you're right...the main guy PD was looking for is a former BF from 2 years ago, who was still using her addy, possibly as a drop for his dope deals...

the issue here, is that they had him in custody about 35 minutes before the other cops went to Taylor's apt., so was it necessary to serve the warrant then? the cops had another warrant for another addy, which was not served...


these are all consequences of an ill-conceived War on Drugs that has criminalized and victimized mostly poor and minority people...
HockeyDad Offline
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Maybe the poor and minorities should stop with illegal drugs. It’s not like nobody ever advertised the War on Drugs and they just didn’t know.
delta1 Offline
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or white police departments should start picking on white dope dealers and users...

studies show that the percentages of drug dealers and users among all segments of the population is similar
delta1 Offline
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didja know that nearly 47% of all inmates in our prisons are there for drug offenses? and that blacks and browns are incarcerated at higher rates than their percentage of population?


more prisons, more corrections officers, more courtrooms, judges, prosecutors, bailiffs and jails, more parole and probation officers, more cops on the street...


awfully expensive way to deal with essentially victimless non-violent offenses
HockeyDad Offline
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delta1 wrote:
didja know that nearly 47% of all inmates in our prisons are there for drug offenses? and that blacks and browns are incarcerated at higher rates than their percentage of population?


Kamala Harris did pretty good with locking up those druggies. Up here we just give them new needles and a blanket.

Sounds like percentage of population should be added to sentencing guidelines. If you get convicted and all the slots are full for your race you get a free pass.

...and why aren’t we locking up the Asians?
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delta1 wrote:
her residence was suspected of having a large amount of drugs within...her former boyfriend dealt drugs...

police in plainclothes serving a night-time warrant broke open the front door of her apartment after midnight and upon entry, were shot at by Taylor's current boyfriend, injuring one officer...

three police officers returned fire, killing Taylor...

the warrant was not a no-knock, but had been changed to a knock and announce...

there's some dispute about whether the police knocked and announced before breaking in...police said they did...eleven witnesses said they didn't...

Taylor's boyfriend said he didn't hear any announcement and believed it was a home invasion...

no drugs were found


Thanks for the info, Delta
delta1 Offline
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"street" drugs, in minority neighborhoods...coke, meth, heroin, marijuana (most states) are viewed as criminal behavior, felonies, imprisonment...

opioid drugs, a white suburban scourge, is treated as a public health emergency
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m not totally sure that switching to opioid drugs is the answer.
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How about ending the war on drugs? It hasn't been very successful.

And if they're going to continue the war... maybe they should change their strategy and go after the drug cartels that produce those products, and the banks that launder their money.

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If we had to negotiate a surrender to drugs I bet Trump could get us a better deal than Biden.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m not totally sure that switching to opioid drugs is the answer.

I shouldn't have laughed cuz I know better, but...
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HockeyDad wrote:
If we had to negotiate a surrender to drugs I bet Trump could get us a better deal than Biden.

then the drug army would hire fatty fat and down goes Trump
HockeyDad Offline
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Speaking of the war on drugs, San Francisco surrendered a long time ago and the result is not pretty. Today the city sued 28 drug dealers. 441 drug OD deaths happened last year in SF. This year the numbers are expected to be much worse.
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^^^^^^^

Are you sure? I heard they died due to Covid-19 complications even though it was last year.

They'll probably vote this year though.
HockeyDad Offline
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It was prolly a clerical error. On the form fentanyl is right below Covid.
delta1 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I shouldn't have laughed cuz I know better, but...



HD has a disarming and humorous way of interjecting non-sequiters...kinda reminds me of the lovable idiot inspector played by Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther movies...


edit: as opposed to the unfunny portrayal by Steve Martin...
DrMaddVibe Offline
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delta1 wrote:
what instructions?

based on the various reports, there was a loud pounding, which frightened Taylor and Walker...both occupants yelled "who is it"...no answer so he grabbed a gun...and they both got up and headed toward the door...the door was then knocked off the hinges with a battering ram...cops were in plainclothes and did not identify themselves...neighbors said they heard loud pounding, then shots fired...no one heard "police, open up"...Walker fired one shot...three cops fired 20 shots...

if someone pounds on your front door while you and your lady friend are in bed watching TV at 12:40 AM... ignores your request for identification, then breaks the door off the hinges...while you're inside your home...you're not gonna defend yourself if you didn't know they were cops?


neither Taylor nor Walker had criminal records...there were no drugs or other evidence of criminal behavior found in the apartment...



I'm glad you aren't in LE.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/


PS: I'm pretty sure a felon isn't supposed to be in the possession or use of a firearm.
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Holly Zoller who is a Soros puppet “organizer” rented a U-Haul and was busted distributing masks and shields to “protesters”.
delta1 Offline
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I read that article..corresponds to my statement of the facts...

show me where I made a mistake...

which felon was in possession of a gun?
delta1 Offline
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The decision to decline criminal charges against the officers for the shooting death of Taylor was the correct one. Regardless of whether they behaved correctly in serving the warrant, when Taylor's boyfriend fired a shot at them, and struck one officer, they were authorized to defend themselves and return fire.

But that did not mean that they were without fault. Louisville PD's inconsistent statements about whether or not the warrant was a no-knock warrant, whether the officers knocked and announced before breaking the door, and then altered police reports in order to adjust a timeline that justified the serving of the warrant, all led to an exposure to civil liability for a wrongful death. That explains the agreement to pay her family $12 Million.
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Is there "ANY TAX WHATSOEVER"? ON THAT $12 MILLION?

IF NOT...IT WILL BE DUECES ON PAYDAY TIME WHEN THAT MONEY GETS DISTRIBUTED TO FAMILY MEMBERS...

GOOD TIME TO BE A CADILLAC CAR DEALER OR AN R.V.
DEALER... they'll be buying both and getting out of dodge till the press dies down...
ZRX1200 Offline
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Exactly Al.
rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Exactly Al.

Exactly AL.

The $12 million was to avoid the risk of $15, $20, $25 million or more when they would likely lose bigger in front of civil jury.

I also suppose the money was paid with the prayer that the family would speak out in favor of peaceful protest only and condemn oncoming criminal behavior. Not that it would have worked...
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