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DrafterX Offline
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What are you drinking..?? Beer
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted:
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Water.
How about you? Or, should I just ask what brand of beer?
BuckyB93 Offline
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Poor Chris Wallace trying to mediate this thing.

I say we just dress them both up in the fat sumo suits and do a cage match next time
8trackdisco Offline
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Watching the debate.... we are soooo screwed.

Vote Libertarian!
Sunoverbeach Offline
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Drinking a couple of strong stouts. Think I need to hit the hard stuff.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Be like the rest of the world but add in some capitalism - make it a pay-per-view event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2C_emdaMVk
rfenst Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Poor Chris Wallace trying to mediate this thing.

He had to know exactly what he was getting into.
DrafterX Offline
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'The green new deal will support it self'.. Think
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Just a side note: any time two guys are yelling at you to "do it! do it then! just do it! do it!" you shouldn't do whatever it is they're yelling at you to do, no matter how right they are...
clintCigar Offline
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Well that was a schit show lol
zody Offline
#11 Posted:
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This ^

What a nipple head, that debate was a massive Trump failure. Not a single question answered and there were ample opportunities, massive opportunities.
If anyone watching that crap show was basing their vote on the debates oy vey.
If Trump walks out of there thinking anything other than it was a complete pooch screw he’s freaking delusional.
I think the doddering decrepit old man argument about old Joe was dead bang hit right between the eyes. Dead. Done. Biden did as well as anyone could and he didn’t crack and fold like he was predicted to.
8track couldn’t be more right, but I hope he’s wrong.
zody Offline
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And THIS ^^
JadeRose Offline
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Jesus...the biggest loser in that debate was American brain cells
Smooth light Offline
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Hell no I don't care,GB vs NO on tonight
Packers 30 Saints 27 2:04 4th
Update packers 37 , 2m to go
gummy jones Offline
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I could only stomach the first hour
Buckwheat Offline
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I can’t wait for the sequels. That was high drama. Very Shakespearean. Beer
8trackdisco Offline
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And people scold me about voting for a 3rd party candidate as a wasted vote.

Interesting to see how the other 95% of voters are going to waste theirs.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Do it! Do it then! Just do it! Do it!
bgz Offline
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I had to go do an hour of math after that to get my head right. I felt like I lost braincells watching that sh*t.

Trump is a clinical narcissist though, he used all the stupid tricks.

My favorite narc trick... name one thing... just one thing... lol so stupid.... like them saying it means something.
RayR Offline
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Why did Joe Biden say "Antifa is an idea not an organization."?Think
Why did Joe Biden dodge the question about BLM? Glare
Why did Joe Biden say the Green New Deal is not his plan, but then say “The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward." Then Wallace asked Biden if he supports the Green New Deal, to which Biden replied: “No, I don't support the Green New Deal.” Liar
Why did Joe Biden say "I'm not going to answer the question." when Wallace asked him if he was "willing to tell the American tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court?"Anxious
Why did Joe Biden say “My party is me,” Right now I am the Democratic Party.”?RollEyes
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
Why did Joe Biden say "Antifa is an idea not an organization."?Think
Why did Joe Biden dodge the question about BLM? Glare
Why did Joe Biden say the Green New Deal is not his plan, but then say “The Green New Deal will pay for itself as we move forward." Then Wallace asked Biden if he supports the Green New Deal, to which Biden replied: “No, I don't support the Green New Deal.” Liar
Why did Joe Biden say "I'm not going to answer the question." when Wallace asked him if he was "willing to tell the American tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court?"Anxious
Why did Joe Biden say “My party is me,” Right now I am the Democratic Party.”?RollEyes


Cause Joe is losing it... but like was mentioned in another thread... I would vote for a sammich over trump.
frankj1 Offline
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stand back...and stand by.

oddly omitted as a concern. Should we waste time trying to water down this dog whistle?

it's the opposite of condemning white supremacy/nazism. felt vaguely like a threat to the rest of us that those animals are on call.

the rest of the night was Trump white noise trying to ruffle Biden, and Biden calling him a clown and actually telling him to shut up.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I think that's a vast oversimplification of the way things unfolded...
bgz Offline
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Pretty much how I saw it. Trump was taking the volume over quality approach... it was trash... wish I would have just waited for the reviews. It was mostly unwatchable.
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
Pretty much how I saw it. Trump was taking the volume over quality approach... it was trash... wish I would have just waited for the reviews. It was mostly unwatchable.


Like most of these media sponsored political debates, they are more like knife fights than proper debates.
Where Trump excelled was he kept hammering the fact that Biden was slavishly beholden to the radical left wing of the Democratic Party. Yes I agree with Trump there, as Bidens gaffe a few weeks ago was, it would be the Harris/Biden administration.
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bgz wrote:
Pretty much how I saw it. Trump was taking the volume over quality approach... it was trash... wish I would have just waited for the reviews. It was mostly unwatchable.

I should've been more specific.... i think the oversimplification was the characterization of what Trump did and said as being "the opposite of condemning white supremacy/nazism"...

A couple of videos have come out recently of blm mobs bullying restaurant goers into raising the black power fist and proclaiming that black lives matter... and when someone refuses, they're called out as being racist, because they won't bend their knee to the mob, to the bullying... it's what the far left does... it's troubling...
DrafterX Offline
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ya, the left sucks.... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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So does the right...
Speyside Offline
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So if you think it is an oversimplification, what did stand down and be ready mean? I thought the whole debate was a clown show. That particular comment is troubling no matter what context you want to give it. Fact, he told a white supremacist group to be ready.

No one won, Trump lost.
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Debates today are more political theater than informative. We have the information super highway for research and rumor.
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RayR wrote:
Why did Joe Biden say "Antifa is an idea not an organization."?Think


I'll take this one. Because he was just repeating what the Director of the FBI has said.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e

I'm too tired and have too much work to tackle your other questions. fog
DrafterX Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So does the right...



OhMyGod
Buckwheat Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
ya, the left sucks.... Mellow


The Right swallows... Sick
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
So if you think it is an oversimplification, what did stand down and be ready mean? I thought the whole debate was a clown show. That particular comment is troubling no matter what context you want to give it. Fact, he told a white supremacist group to be ready.

No one won, Trump lost.

I don't recall hearing "be ready" or anything to that effect...

I also laugh anytime someone calls the proud boys a white supremacist group...
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I would like to see a debate with only one person talking at a time. They should do one where you shut off all mics but one, but trump wouldn't like not being able to interrupt and would probably start foaming at the mouth.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I'd like to see a debate where only one person talks at a time as well... i just wouldn't want that one person to be Biden, Trump, or Chris Wallace...
RayR Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't recall hearing "be ready" or anything to that effect...

I also laugh anytime someone calls the proud boys a white supremacist group...


I agree.
It went like this:

Wallace: “Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.”

Trump: “Sure, I’m willing to do that,”

Biden: “Do it!”

Trump: “I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right-wing. I’m willing to do anything. … I want to see peace. You want to call them, what do you want to call them? Give me a name.”

Wallace: “white supremacists”

Biden: “Proud Boys.”

Trump: “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by, but I’ll tell you what, somebody’s gotta do something about ANTIFA and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem, this is a left-wing problem.”

Wallace did ask Trump in the very beginning if Trump would "say that they need to stand down" (whoever these white supremacist groups he was talking about) Trump did after he was given a specific name by Biden.
Of course anybody that the highly funded commie hate factory which does nothing about poverty, the Southern Poverty Law Center says is a white supremacist group is good enough for Joe Biden...and maybe Chris Wallace too? For the SPLC, everybody is a militant white supremacist who isn't solidly on the left.

The most important question is why didn't Chris Wallace pressure Joe Biden to condemn ANTIFA and BLM?
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If only we could get the extremists in a park some place (like the Millwall and WestHam hooligans squads in 1990s East London style). Have them battle until only one of them is alive. Then.... (Frank is watching).... Give him a fair trial of his peers to determine guilt or innocence.
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I dunno...seems too many Americans are willing to resort to violence against other Americans...do we really want to be Northern Ireland on steroids?


that debate was more like a screaming match in the local bar, with the bar-tender trying to keep one guy from breaking all the bottles and glasses...



my wife, a lifelong GOP voter said I can't watch this, so at about 30 minutes in, we turned it off...I caught a few glimpses in the man-cave...but it was unwatchable...sad that our democracy is being dragged into the gutter...
bgz Offline
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Pay per view buys would be through the roof!

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"Are you not entertained!?"

-Maximus Decimus Meridius
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Now we know what happens when you drink too much bleach.
Speyside Offline
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Sorry, stand by were the words. You still haven't explained what that meant.
delta1 Offline
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stand back and stand by...

think Trump was telling them to "back off for now and be ready for my signal"?
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I felt like I was watching two drunk uncles at a family reunion

Walked away and went to play horse shoes
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Speyside wrote:
Sorry, stand by were the words. You still haven't explained what that meant.

everyone knows what stand by means.
but the apologizers will twist it ... just this time.

the dog whistle was audible to humans last night. When someone wants to denounce nazis/supremacists the words should come easily.
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frankj1 wrote:
stand back...and stand by.

oddly omitted as a concern. Should we waste time trying to water down this dog whistle?

it's the opposite of condemning white supremacy/nazism. felt vaguely like a threat to the rest of us that those animals are on call.

the rest of the night was Trump white noise trying to ruffle Biden, and Biden calling him a clown and actually telling him to shut up.


Exactly!
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Trump also coyly tried to limit his tepid condemnation in terms of recent outbreaks of violence when Americans are thinking in terms of ridding our country of nazis and their ilk...he moved the goalposts so as to not have to denounce their existence.

They came away elated, since they also know what stand by means. They believe they were told to stop helping police against leftist criminals and are awaiting their marching orders...perhaps to hover over designated polling places?

Tee shirts and hats available, new recruiting results were great today as their leaders called the President's remarks "Historic".

Is it time to dust off "wake up America"?
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gummy jones wrote:
I felt like I was watching two drunk uncles at a family reunion


That is sooooo right on target.
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frankj1 wrote:
everyone knows what stand by means.
but the apologizers will twist it ... just this time.

the dog whistle was audible to humans last night. When someone wants to denounce nazis/supremacists the words should come easily.


Let them do what the want and give them fair trials.
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