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Abrignac Offline
#1901 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 12:31 PM EST
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As far as a coup attempt to remove Biden is concerned that’s ridiculous. Not being chosen as his party’s nominee does not in any way remove him from office. Barring any other action he would still serve the remainder of the term he was elected to serve. It simply means he cannot run as the Democratic nominee in the upcoming election. He could however run as an Independent or as the nominee of a different party as long as he qualified himself for ballots in the individual states.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1902 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 12:50 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
As far as a coup attempt to remove Biden is concerned that’s ridiculous. Not being chosen as his party’s nominee does not in any way remove him from office. Barring any other action he would still serve the remainder of the term he was elected to serve. It simply means he cannot run as the Democratic nominee in the upcoming election. He could however run as an Independent or as the nominee of a different party as long as he qualified himself for ballots in the individual states.


The Democrats have already held their primary and Biden is their defacto "winner" awaiting to be nominated by their delegates at their convention in Chicago. What the top democrats are doing is forcing him to leave office. What word do YOU want to call that? Americans have already voted for him.
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#1903 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 1:09 PM EST
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Kamala Nomination Odds Soar After Reports Biden To Drop Out This Weekend



Update (1130ET): It appears the situation is escalating fast in Democratic Party central this morning.

Axios reports that President Biden may decide to drop out of the presidential race as soon as this weekend, according to several top Democrats who believe the rising pressure will persuade the incumbent.

The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in.

But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.

Others are reporting similar narratives and timelines building...

🚨 BOMBSHELL from @mikeallen + @JimVandeHei: Top Dems now believe Biden will exit

"Top Biden aides - including ones who initially urged him to fight on after the debate - are saying it's now when, not if, Biden announces he's not running."https://t.co/R45PhVPO5Q
— Jake Wilkins (@JakeWilkns) July 18, 2024

Furthermore, WaPo reports that he who pulls the real strings has weighed in...

“Obama has told allies in recent days that President Biden’s path to victory has greatly diminished and he thinks the president needs to seriously consider the viability of his candidacy, according to multiple people briefed on his thinking.”

The news prompted a surge in the odds of VP Kamala Harris getting the Democratic Party nomination (and collapse in Biden's odds)...

Source: Bloomberg

This comes after reports of yet more gaffes by the aging Biden as he read aloud a note passed to him by a staffer during a virtual call with Democratic caucuses:

A staffer gave the 81-year-old president a note card with tips as he attempted to persuade members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus on Saturday that he was fit to serve and able to defeat former President Donald Trump on Election Day, the New York Times reported.

“Stay positive, you are sounding defensive,” Biden said on the call, seemingly reading directly from his staffer’s short missive.

You can't make this up anymore.

Visualization of Democrats right now...

Meanwhile, Democrats have a new slogan...

Democrats are now running with a new slogan: Make America Great Again.

No, I'm not kidding.pic.twitter.com/vU8fgxDVRJ
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) July 18, 2024

* * *

As we detailed earlier, calls for enfeebled President Biden to call off his re-election bid are not only growing more numerous, but also more powerful, as three top Democratic officials -- Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries -- have all reportedly told the president that his campaign is worse than hopeless.

Suggesting a coordinated effort, news about three separate conversations that happened in the last week all dropped on Wednesday. The gap between the discussions and the reports is likely attributable to a desire to first give Biden a chance to bail out gracefully race before more pressure was added using leaks to the media.

BIDEN: "Look at the heat I'm getting because I, I named a, uh, the, uh, secretary of defense — the black man" 🥴 pic.twitter.com/PJYzDznpIV
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 18, 2024

Pelosi was said to have shared specific polling results indicating Biden has no path to victory, and that his continued presence atop the 2024 ticket could doom the Democratic Party's chances of re-taking control of the House. According to CNN's sources, Biden insisted he can win, saying he's seen polls that give him hope that it's a closer race than other say. Trying to bolster her case, Pelosi asked longtime Biden advisor Mike Donilon join the call to review the numbers.

According to a Thursday report in Axios, top Democrats think Biden may decide to drop out of the presidential race as soon as this weekend.

The seeming next step for Pelosi -- and the others -- would be a public statement urging Biden to quit. A Pelosi ally told Politico that such a statement is a possibility, saying, “The speaker does not want to call on him to resign, but she will do everything in her power to make sure it happens."

BIDEN: "And guess what? Save billions of tons of because of, of pollution, because people, uhwhenuhh, all the studies show, when you get from point A to point B in a train or a vehicle at the same distance you take the train." pic.twitter.com/1yAzSGqTfq
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 16, 2024

News of Pelosi's conversation came soon after word that Schumer had his own pointed conversation with Biden on Saturday. In a personal visit to Biden's home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, Schumer was said to have bluntly told Biden that quitting the race would be best for America and the Democratic Party.

Like Pelosi, Schumer attempted to use polling to paint a picture for the defiant 81-year-old. While many national polls show a relatively narrow margin, what counts is the seven battleground states -- and Trump is ahead in all of them. Even CNN's John King recently showed why Trump could be on track for a landslide win. While details are thinner, ABC News reports that Jeffries also voiced the same concerns directly to Biden, politely nudging him to quit.

All of this came on what was already a very rough day for Biden. After looking especially weak speaking from podiums on the campaign trail, the White House announced that Biden had tested positive for Covid-19 and would return to Delaware to isolate while still performing his presidential duties. Notably, as he boarded and exited Air Force One, he was maskless -- something that contravenes a leftist core belief.

More notable than his bare face was his exceedingly frail appearance:

After exiting Air Force One, President Biden appears to struggle getting into the car, ultimately requiring Secret Service to physically lift him into place and even manually adjust his legs for him. 😬 #Parkinsons pic.twitter.com/mgY2ojsUi9
— gato 🐝 (@reina_amarillo) July 18, 2024

Forget a second term -- will Biden even finish his first?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/end-game-nears-pelosi-jeffries-schumer-told-biden-he-cant-win-and-hurting-party-too


So, the running joke during the primary that a vote for Biden was really a vote for Kamala...was in fact the truth. All this talk of replacing the entire ticket is out the window as the coffers and the delegates are Biden's. He was always the hot mess everyone wants to see now even when he was Vice President. Couldn't say "no" and had to run for re-election prolly because Dr.Jill likes the attention and power.
Abrignac Offline
#1904 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:29 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Democrats have already held their primary and Biden is their defacto "winner" awaiting to be nominated by their delegates at their convention in Chicago. What the top democrats are doing is forcing him to leave office. What word do YOU want to call that? Americans have already voted for him.


The vote was for delegates to a convention.
Abrignac Offline
#1905 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:35 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Democrats have already held their primary and Biden is their defacto "winner" awaiting to be nominated by their delegates at their convention in Chicago. What the top democrats are doing is forcing him to leave office. What word do YOU want to call that? Americans have already voted for him.




https://www.usa.gov/primaries-caucuses
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1906 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:42 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
https://www.usa.gov/primaries-caucuses



Your last 2 posts make no sense to the post I replied to.
Abrignac Offline
#1907 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:49 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Democrats have already held their primary and Biden is their defacto "winner" awaiting to be nominated by their delegates at their convention in Chicago. What the top democrats are doing is forcing him to leave office. What word do YOU want to call that? Americans have already voted for him.


Let’s see if you can follow along.

1) The purpose of the primaries is to award delegates to a particular candidate.

2) Tose delegates awarded then gather at the party’s convention and cast their vote in account the party’s by-laws, not any state or federal statute.

3) Since the party controls the convention as a body it may or may not change rules based on its by-laws.

4) Currently the by-laws of the DNC require committed delegates to vote for the candidate that won said delegates in the individual state primaries.

5)If the party by-laws provide a mechanism to change that requirement it’s within the realm of possibility that this can happen.
Abrignac Offline
#1908 Posted: Thu, Jul 18 2024, 5:50 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Your last 2 posts make no sense to the post I replied to.



You’re an idiot.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1909 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 6:13 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
You’re an idiot.


Abrignac wrote:

As far as a coup attempt to remove Biden is concerned that’s ridiculous. Not being chosen as his party’s nominee does not in any way remove him from office. Barring any other action he would still serve the remainder of the term he was elected to serve. It simply means he cannot run as the Democratic nominee in the upcoming election. He could however run as an Independent or as the nominee of a different party as long as he qualified himself for ballots in the individual states.



DrMaddVibe wrote:
The Democrats have already held their primary and Biden is their defacto "winner" awaiting to be nominated by their delegates at their convention in Chicago. What the top democrats are doing is forcing him to leave office. What word do YOU want to call that? Americans have already voted for him.


Just answer the question and look in the mirror.
Abrignac Offline
#1910 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 7:08 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Just answer the question and look in the mirror.


Like I said earlier you’re an idiot.

Biden was elected as the 46th President to a single four year term. That term expires on January 20, 2025 when the 47th President will be sworn into office. Unless you are privy to some secret squirrel information that suggests someone is going to force him to step down before that date then it’s safe to say your assumption that he is being forced out of office is stupid.

On the other hand he is not entitled to a second term. To become the 47th President he must win the election which is used to select that person. So one can’t be forced out of an office he hasn’t been elected to hold.

According to the information published by the US Government the primaries aren’t used to select a candidate. They are simply used to award delegates that go to a convention. Once at that convention those delegates vote for a nominee. If Biden does not win a majority of delegate votes at the convention then he does not become the Democratic nominee. That in no way in of itself prevents him from running for the 47th Presidency. He just can’t do it as the Democratic nominee.

Granted at the moment it would seem Biden would be the Democratic nominee since he has more than enough “committed” delegates to win the Democratic nomination. However, as a Democrat Biden is bound by his party rules. If a mechanism exists to release those committed delegates to vote for another candidate then that’s the way the ball bounces. Live by the rules, die by the rules.

But, I do understand you’re unable to comprehend this mildly complicated situation. It’s no surprise since you’re completely unable to think for yourself and apparently none of your go to websites published an article you can cut and paste.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1911 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 8:53 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Like I said earlier you’re an idiot.

Biden was elected as the 46th President to a single four year term. That term expires on January 20, 2025 when the 47th President will be sworn into office. Unless you are privy to some secret squirrel information that suggests someone is going to force him to step down before that date then it’s safe to say your assumption that he is being forced out of office is stupid.

On the other hand he is not entitled to a second term. To become the 47th President he must win the election which is used to select that person. So one can’t be forced out of an office he hasn’t been elected to hold.

According to the information published by the US Government the primaries aren’t used to select a candidate. They are simply used to award delegates that go to a convention. Once at that convention those delegates vote for a nominee. If Biden does not win a majority of delegate votes at the convention then he does not become the Democratic nominee. That in no way in of itself prevents him from running for the 47th Presidency. He just can’t do it as the Democratic nominee.

Granted at the moment it would seem Biden would be the Democratic nominee since he has more than enough “committed” delegates to win the Democratic nomination. However, as a Democrat Biden is bound by his party rules. If a mechanism exists to release those committed delegates to vote for another candidate then that’s the way the ball bounces. Live by the rules, die by the rules.

But, I do understand you’re unable to comprehend this mildly complicated situation. It’s no surprise since you’re completely unable to think for yourself and apparently none of your go to websites published an article you can cut and paste.


Please by all means continue to believe I'm an idiot. I imagine I'm in good company with you using that word.

I'm well aware of how the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution and the conventions operate. I've been one sitting in the shadows stating that nobody else is going to supercede Kameltoes on the DNC ticket. Nobody can get access to the delegates or the cash his campaign has raised BUT her through Buydumb. That was NEVER an issue. You said it wasn't a "coup"! I already know you have issues with words and their definitions. Might want to crack a dictionary for what Coup and Insurrection mean. BOTH are operable words to describe what's going on behind the DNC curtain right now regardless of what you think and feel. What you want to completely ignore is what I posted in Post #1903. That's not me saying any of it, it's Pelosi (former Speaker of the House) and former President Obama doing it! I guess you want to call them idiots too? Supposedly Kameltoes is vetting running mates as well. Now, is that with or without Pedo Joe's "blessing"?

Keep on bashing websites I post from too. Those sites that accurately (with links! However, you cannot go to the links and see for yourself!) report what the Lame Street Media presstitutes care to share with low informed people.
HockeyDad Offline
#1912 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 9:19 AM EST
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Things are looking pretty good for the coup to be successful.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1913 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 9:29 AM EST
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Hold that thought....


Defiant Biden Handlers Just Threw Obama, Schumer, and Pelosi Under the Bus and Then Backed Over Them



After Joe Biden allegedly contracted COVID and left Las Vegas for his Delaware beach house on Wednesday, much speculation suggested he was preparing to leave the race. Even the betting markets shifted, showing the probability of Biden dropping out at an all-time high.

That was exacerbated by an interview where the president said he would drop out if a medical issue arose. Still, I offered some words of caution on that front.

SEE: Joe Biden Says He'd Drop Out If Doctors Told Him to, Sets Up a 'Dignified' Exit (Updated)

With all that said, my money is still, for the moment at least, on Biden staying in the race. There's now a path for me to be wrong, but I won't believe Jill Biden will concede the White House until it happens. There is also a long list of handlers who derive their living from Biden who aren't going to want to go quietly. Further, he can't simply leave the presidential race. He'd have to resign the presidency as well. After all, how can you be too senile to run for president but not too senile to be president?

The machinations that would need to happen going forward are almost unfathomable.

Perhaps I was on to something because Biden's handlers responded with a vengeance on Thursday. As RedState reported, a senior administration official rebutted claims that the president was close to bowing out, stating that he could start campaigning again as soon as next week.

White House coffee boy Andrew Bates also lashed out publicly in no uncertain terms.

Incorrect. Keep the faith. https://t.co/OUXMrfNrI7
— Andrew Bates (@AndrewBatesNC) July 18, 2024

Now, Biden's handlers are getting even more vicious. A report from NBC News quotes a "source close to Biden" throwing Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi under the bus before backing up over them. They even go so far as to say the three named above were responsible for Donald Trump being elected in 2016 because they pushed Hillary Clinton to the forefront.

Yikes.

Biden's team is throwing Pelosi, Schumer and even Obama under the bus.

If Biden isn't leaving the race after these 3 have spoken t him, I have a hard time believing he's going to leave the race at all.

Source: NBC News pic.twitter.com/NJCqwMaKaJ
— American Hill (@TheAmericanHill) July 18, 2024

“Can we all just remember for a minute that these same people who are trying to push Joe Biden out are the same people who literally gave us all Donald Trump? In 2015, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer pushed Biden aside in favor of Hillary; they were wrong then and they are wrong now,” the source told NBC News.

The source pointed to polling in the 2016 election that showed Hillary Clinton leading by as much as nine points.

“How did all this work out for everyone in 2016? Perhaps we should learn a few lessons from 2016; one of them is polls are BS, just ask Sec. Clinton. And two, maybe, just maybe, Joe Biden is more in touch with actual Americans than Obama-Pelosi-Schumer?” the source added.

That doesn't sound like Biden is about to drop out of the race, does it? As I've said before, there's more going on behind the scenes than just what the president wants. Jill Biden is wildly ambitious and shows no sign of wanting to give up the life of luxury her husband's position provides. There's also a laundry list of hangers-on both working for Biden's campaign and within the administration itself who do not want to lose their gravy train. If the president leaves the race, they will be largely sidelined, and they know.

Then there's Biden himself. He's a deeply egotistical man who will not want to go down in history as someone who gave up against Trump. Never mind that he'll almost assuredly be blamed if he does drop out and then Kamala Harris goes on to lose. There's no easy path out of the race for Biden that allows him to save face.

With that said, attacking the biggest names in the Democratic Party seems less than helpful. If Biden's handlers burn the party to the ground in their attempt to keep their jobs, then a loss is all but certain come November anyway. So what's being gained?

This entire thing is an unbelievable cluster. Admittedly, I'm not that old, but I've never seen anything like this in all my time following politics, and certainly not in my time commenting on politics. There's no good answer here for Democrats, though that's a reality no one seems keen to accept at this moment.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/07/18/bidens-handlers-just-threw-obama-schumer-and-pelosi-under-the-bus-and-then-backed-over-them-n2177074

Dr.Jill needs the power!!!!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1914 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 11:04 AM EST
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and this too....


Biden Will Announce His Withdrawal from Democrat Nomination Sunday – Open DNC Convention Will Select Consensus Candidate



Mark Halperin is pretty dialed in to the deep DNC network, particularly close to the core DNC apparatus. Halperin is saying the plan for Joe Biden to announce his withdrawal from the Democrat nomination is now underway. Biden will announce this weekend, likely Sunday. WATCH: https://youtu.be/l-E6TyU2BXY?si=V34sF4Cq0tJRM5xW

According to Halperin:

• Joe Biden plans to announce withdrawal from nomination process as early as this weekend, Sunday most likely.

• Biden advisor Jon Meacham polishing up remark for delivery to the nation.

• Joe Biden with NOT resign the presidency and will finish the remainder of his term.

• Interestingly, Joe Biden will NOT endorse VP Kamala Harris. Biden will let the convention decide.

• There will be an open convention with Kamala Harris and about 3 others on the first ballot.

• The infamous super delegates, deep DNC insiders, will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot. This point is moot because no one is going to win on the first ballot.

• Kamala Harris is planning her convention strategy around a full ticket proposal. Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro.

If you understand the nature of Democrat politics, specifically if you have understood this was a long-ago-decided replacement strategy, then you will see how the Pelosi group positioned Gavin Newsom for this series of events.

The DNC controls the mechanisms. The first-round ballot will include too many names for any single candidate to emerge the victor. The super delegates, the ones who really are the party power brokers, will then make their decisions.

Gavin Newsom has been playing the loyal Democrat supporter of Biden, specifically because he knew this moment was coming. Every move was gaming and pretending. It is more than likely that Newsom will exit as the consensus candidate in second, perhaps third round.

It was always going to happen this way.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/18/report-biden-will-announce-his-withdrawal-from-democrat-nomination-sunday-open-dnc-convention-will-select-consensus-candidate/
HockeyDad Offline
#1915 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 11:13 AM EST
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Biden should also resign and make Kamala president if for no other reason than to screw up all the Trump-47 merchandise.

I’m thinking Jill hates Kamala more than Trump so no resignation.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1916 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 11:33 AM EST
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You might be on to something...

https://www.businessinsider.com/jill-biden-go-f-yourself-tense-biden-harris-debate-book-2021-5
RayR Offline
#1917 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 11:42 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You might be on to something...

https://www.businessinsider.com/jill-biden-go-f-yourself-tense-biden-harris-debate-book-2021-5


I think that nails it.
Sounds like a duhmocratic cat fight. 🙀
Abrignac Offline
#1918 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 12:44 PM EST
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Meanwhile

July 19, 2024 01:26 ET

Biden campaign insists he’s ‘in this race’ despite mounting Democrat calls to drop out
President Biden is reportedly "furious" as Democratic officials have ramped up calls for him to withdraw from the 2024 election. Party donors have threatened to withhold money and elected officials are openly calling on the president to step aside. Biden is self-isolating in Rehoboth, Delaware after testing positive for COVID-19.
HockeyDad Offline
#1919 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 1:43 PM EST
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They gonna get a dose of Angry Joe!
ZRX1200 Offline
#1920 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 2:17 PM EST
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I can’t wait till Joe remembers he’s not VP anymore, there’s gonna be hell to pay.

Man if I was on his detail I’d start calling Kamala “Cornpop”.
jeebling Offline
#1921 Posted: Fri, Jul 19 2024, 9:44 PM EST
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23 minute long video here. I would not have selected this video to view but my hands were filthy and autoplay was on. I found it to be very interesting and I’m glad I was able to watch it.

https://youtu.be/LQ8G296E4iM?si=O11xeGjQEwz8M-3P
RayR Offline
#1922 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2024, 10:54 AM EST
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Joey is done like a dinner. He's cooked. Stick a fork in him.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1923 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2024, 11:17 AM EST
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Dems Plot 'Loophole' Of Rebellion If Biden Won't Step Down



While Joe Biden is decidedly 'dug in' and isn't going anywhere, Democrats, the party of 'democracy is on the ballot,' are plotting a 'loophole' if Biden refuses to step aside or drop out of the race.

During a Friday morning Zoom call with 50 delegates, DNC delegate Elaine Kamarck said the apparent "loophole" allowing for such rebellion if convention-goers say they can no longer vote for their pledged candidate in "good conscience" despite picking them in primaries and caucuses.

Kamarck, who has been on the DNC’s Rules Committee for decades, informed the 50 delegates on the call that “there’s no such thing as Joe Biden releasing his delegates. And Joe Biden gets this.”

“I don’t know why the rest of the press doesn’t get it,” she said. -NY Post

According to the DNC's rules, "Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them."

Kamarack said that the rules previously mandated that delegates have to vote for whoever they're pledged to, however that changed after the 1980 convention in which Ted Kennedy and then-President Jimmy Carter were battling for the iron throne. Unlike the Republican party, Democrats can revolt at any time.

Given that Biden won nearly all the pledged delegates in the primary, those delegates can say that Biden no longer "reflect[s] the sentiments of those who elected them," and can dump him at will.

"See, we’ve never had a situation quite like this where the primaries were over. Very clear-cut winner. And yet something was discovered unclosed, whatever you want to call it, after the end of the primaries that caused people to severely doubt whether or not their nominee should proceed," she said.

The Friday call was led by Kamarck on behalf of Delegates Are Democracy, a new group which launched last week to inform delegates of their options before the Aug. 19-22 convention in Chicago. The group claims they weren't formed to force Biden out. (Can they try not lying about one thing for once?)

One anonymous delegate on the Zoom call asked how they should proceed in an open convention, to which Kamarck replied that it would be "tough" to decide.

"I would start with the people who voted for you to become a delegate, see what they think and see how they think you should proceed. You probably won’t have polling. That’s very good. You may have to rely on sort of national polling," she said.

Such a revolt on the convention floor would 'amount to a political earthquake toppling the commander in chief.'

One anonymous Democrat pushed back on the Post's assertion that this was a loophole.

"It’s not a loophole! That’s the process. You can vote for whoever you want," they said, adding "I think it’s almost inevitable he drops out."

The scale of a possible revolt is unclear, with the source saying he could imagine “very few” actually joining in if Biden forges ahead — particularly if former House Speaker Nancy Pelsoi (D-Calif.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and former President Barack Obama set aside their private misgivings following Biden’s disastrous June 27 debate performance.

But even an unsuccessful revolt could hurt Biden going into the Nov. 5 election against former President Donald Trump, the Republican nominee.

“If it’s 10 or 100 or 200, people in the media will say, ‘Oh my God, it’s a massive defection,'” he added. -NY Post

"We are so f–ked," one senior congressional Democrat told The Post.

As Victor Davis Hanson notes on X:

Never in modern presidential history has a political party staged a veritable inside coup to remove their current president from his ongoing candidacy for his party’s nomination and reelection.

Stranger still, the very elites and grandees, who now are using every imaginable means of deposing Biden as their nominee, are the very public voices that just weeks ago insisted that candidate Biden was “sharp as a tack” and “fit as a fiddle.” And they damned any who thought otherwise!

They are also the identical operators whose machinations ensured that there would not be an open Democratic primary. They demonized the few on the Left who weakly challenged Biden in the primaries. Yet now they will select a replacement candidate who likely never received a single primary vote.

Note further: Biden’s impending forced abdication is not because he is non compos mentis.

Rather, the inside move is due to Biden’s disastrous debate exposure that confirmed his dementia could no longer be disguised by a conspiracy of leftist politicos and media.

But far more importantly, the impetus for removal is driven by the admission that Biden is headed for a climactic November defeat.

Were Biden now ahead in the polls by five points, these same backroom machinists would be insisting that he was still Pericles.

Yet now Biden is being un-personed and Trotskyized, as we prepare the new groupthink narrative of his likely surrogate—a soon to be praised eloquent, mellifluous, and articulate Cicero-Harris.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dems-plot-loophole-rebellion-if-biden-wont-step-down

Coup....Insurrection...Rebellion....This is the DNC.

The DNC is a terrorsit organization.
The FBI is the SS for the DNC
The presstitutes with the aid of the Free Press are a Goebbels wet dream.

See them for what they are now?
Some of you voted for this mess.
RayR Offline
#1924 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2024, 12:02 PM EST
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That SOB Joe is dug in like an Alabama tick.
jeebling Offline
#1925 Posted: Sat, Jul 20 2024, 12:31 PM EST
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Posts: 4,180
The DNC leadership has a fast and loose relationship with elections. They can easily upset an internal primary.
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#1926 Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2024, 12:42 PM EST
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,790
Just when one thinks things can’t more bizarre than they are, Aaron Sorkin Hollywood Democratic Megadonor has published an opinion in The NY Times calling on Democrats to nominate Mitt Romney as the way to stop the “deranged” Donald Trump from winning the election.

Without any regards of merits for or absence thereof of doing so I don’t see that happening. The thought that Democrats would endorse a RINO and turn over a $240M war chest to him is 100x more far-fetched than thinking the Project Azorian had any chance at 100% success.

Meanwhile I heard that as of 13:41 EST Biden still has himself marked safe from an insurrection or coup.

Edit: Looks like I should have waited a few minutes before posting the last part.

Shit is about to get real interesting.
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#1927 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 6:48 AM EST
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Posts: 57,353
Inside Biden's historic decision to drop out of the 2024 race


Surrounded by a handful of trusted advisers and first lady Jill Biden at his vacation home on the Delaware coast Saturday evening, President Joe Biden reflected on a political career that spanned more than half a century and began to conclude that it would reach its end earlier than planned, according to people familiar with his decision.

Isolated, frustrated and angry, he felt betrayed by allies who turned on him in his hour of need.

“He’s really pissed off,” said a person in touch with Biden’s inner circle.

Mad as he was — and still is — Biden came grudgingly to accept that he could not sustain his campaign with poll numbers slipping, donors fleeing and party luminaries pushing him to exit. He may have been slower than other Democratic insiders to make that calculation, but he fully understood it by Saturday night.

The account of this critical weekend, and what led to Biden’s stunning announcement, came from interviews with two dozen Democrats familiar with what transpired.

In separate phone calls Sunday, Biden told his vice president, Kamala Harris, his White House chief of staff, Jeff Zients, and his campaign chair, Jen O’Malley Dillon, that he would abandon his re-election bid. The fact that he had to inform them in such a manner underscored the degree to which his circle had tightened in recent days to family members and a few longtime aides and advisers — Mike Donilon, Steve Ricchetti, Anthony Bernal and Annie Tomasini.

The outcome may not have surprised White House and campaign officials, but the timing did. Most found out, along with the rest of the world, when Biden published his post on X. The same was true for Democratic National Committee officials and state party chairs. Senior Biden aides scrambled to set up separate meetings to talk to staff members for the White House and the campaign, reassuring the political aides that their jobs were safe.

As it always is, the end was abrupt. But it came after a hellish 25-day stretch sparked by the most disastrous debate performance in modern American political history on June 27. Biden failed to reassure fellow Democrats — or enough of them — in follow-up public appearances. Major donors cut off money to his campaign and the party. In drip-drip-drip fashion, elected officials started to call for him to drop his bid. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, the godmother of the Democratic Party, said he still had a decision to make — after he insisted he had chosen to stay in the race.

There was less light than darkness on the horizon.

On Saturday, he spoke with Pelosi — a conversation her office denied — CNBC reported, citing a person with direct knowledge of their interaction. Pelosi, whose top close allies publicly called for him to leave the race as she stopped just short of that in recent weeks, did not respond to a text message seeking comment.

Senior Biden aides expected that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, both Democrats from New York, were likely to publicly call for him to step aside after his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this week.

Biden also met with Donilon and Ricchetti on Saturday. They went through “literally everything” — including bleak polling in battleground states — about his possible path forward, according to sources, but the two trusted aides did not make any recommendation about what he should do. Their sense was that Biden had already made up his mind to withdraw and that that discussion cemented it. Still, they all decided to sleep on it.

On Sunday morning, they met again, keeping everything incredibly tight to prevent leaks.

On Thursday, former White House chief of staff Ron Klain, who wanted Biden to stand firm, said Biden was “feeling the pressure.” On Friday night, according to the person in touch with his inner circle, he still had not changed his mind.

Friends had told him that he was risking his legacy — as the man who defeated Donald Trump and enacted a series of major laws — and could end up becoming a scapegoat if Democrats get clobbered in November. He still believed, up until this weekend at least, that he could win again. In 2020, he had promised to be a bridge candidate. In the end, he did not want to be a bridge between two Trump terms.

“It became a no-win situation, a self-fulfilling prophecy,” former White House official Cedric Richmond, who was a co-chair of Biden’s 2020 campaign, said Sunday. Once money dries up and elected officials pull their support, “it’s impossible to win, and he’s always put country and party first.”

By the time Biden convened a call with his full complement of senior advisers at 1:45 p.m. Sunday, an official statement announcing his decision had already been written. One minute later, his X account posted that statement, telling the public that he would remain in office but cede his party’s nomination — making him the first eligible incumbent president to do that since Lyndon Johnson in 1968. Less than 30 minutes after that, he endorsed Harris, blessing her as the best choice to beat Trump in a four-month sprint to Election Day.

After his announcement, Biden made 40 to 50 phone calls about his decision Sunday night, according to sources.

In recent days, as calls for him to step down mounted, Biden asked to see polling his campaign had solicited on how Harris would fare in a hypothetical matchup against Trump, according to two people familiar with the matter. They said he also reviewed public polling as he wanted to know more about her standing against Trump. The Harris polling was very tightly held, and it circulated to only a handful of top campaign aides, including Donilon and O’Malley Dillon, the two people familiar with the matter said.

Biden’s call appeared to hinge entirely on political factors, rather than concerns about his health or his ability to do his job. A senior administration official said that there was no new medical information informing Biden’s decision, though he had said himself recently that he might reconsider his candidacy if “some medical condition” emerged.

“If doctors came to me and said you got this problem, that problem,” Biden hypothesized in an interview that aired last week.

While his doctor has monitored Biden in recent days for a Covid diagnosis and did bloodwork related to it, Biden has not undergone any extensive tests or medical examinations in recent days, the official said. His last comprehensive physical was in February.

In affirming that he will remain in office, Biden implied that he is not worried that he can carry out the presidency.

Across the country, Democrats scrambled to respond — and prepare for a future without Biden on the ticket — in the minutes and hours after his announcement.

In Minnesota, Democratic Party chair Ken Martin was preparing a Biden open house in Minneapolis when he heard the news reports. In Illinois, a delegate had just received a phone call from the Biden campaign, asking whether Biden would still have their support in a convention vote. The news of Biden’s withdrawal came just an hour later.

Once he found out, Martin got on the phone with other state party chairs and advocated for the next step: have a unified stance within the party to back Harris for president.

“Everyone I’ve talked to right now agrees that we have to unify quickly,” said Martin, who organized a conference call with state party chairs Sunday afternoon. “The idea of having four weeks of turning the conversation inward is not something I’m particularly excited about. The quicker we can unify our party behind a ticket, the sooner we can get this campaign moving.”

An integral member of Biden’s re-election team found out after a family member read a news alert. The person noted how everyone around Biden was taken by surprise, particularly after some of Biden’s closest allies were on Sunday shows pushing for his candidacy.

“No one knew. Kamala didn’t even know,” the person said.

Harris made her own round of phone calls Sunday as many party leaders tried to ensure that she would face few obstacles to winning the nomination. In addition to Biden, she won endorsements from former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, who was the party’s 2016 presidential nominee.

Several prominent Democratic governors, including California’s Gavin Newsom and Pennsylvania’s Josh Shapiro — both considered possible future presidential candidates — threw their support to Harris on Sunday. So did a variety of outside groups that are important to Democratic electoral prospects at the presidential and congressional levels.

Biden did not want Harris to experience the same betrayal he felt when he was vice president and President Barack Obama put his weight behind Hillary Clinton instead of his own running mate. That helps explain why he was quick to send a signal to the rest of the party that she is his choice.

“There are some people who don’t want her. The president understands how that feels,” a Biden ally said, “which is why he did the loyal thing.”

Even as they began laying the groundwork for Harris to take over Biden’s campaign and win the nomination, many Biden loyalists in Washington were still stewing Sunday about the way their party treated him.

“Here is a man who has always talked about dignity,” a longtime Biden ally said. “And what was happening to him in a very public setting was undignified. Where does the president go to get his dignity back?"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-bidens-historic-decision-drop-043734545.html

Dignity? Biden? That guy doesn't have it and I've NEVER heard anyone ever say he did!

Buh bye dumbass!
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#1928 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 7:12 AM EST
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America is paying the price for the monstrous Biden lie


Joe Biden has bowed to the inevitable, and abandoned his attempt at re-election. It was a decision that should have been made four years ago in his first election campaign.

Even back then in 2020, there were clear concerns about the Democratic nominee’s age and health. But the Democratic party, with the active connivance of sections of the US media, worked overtime to cast any such concerns as nothing more than Republican slurs, and Mr Biden won the election.

Questions about his health, however, never quite went away. Clips of the President stumbling, misspeaking or appearing visibly confused continued to circulate for the duration of his term, in each case defused by helpful allies across the press, dismissed as “cheapfakes” or labelled “misinformation”.
When the change came, it came swiftly. When questions came one or two at a time from partisan sources, they could, with effort, be dismissed. When it became common knowledge that people of all persuasions could see that something was not quite right, they started to come thick and fast from all sides at once.

The shift in the public perception of Mr Biden’s mental state appears to have resulted in something close to absolute panic within the power structures of Democratic politics. It is possible to deny something that everyone knows, so long as you can maintain the idea that other people haven’t noticed, and punish those who speak out of line.

Biden is by far the most 'financially reckless' president in history: Stephen Moore

But this requires a coordination mechanism, and in this case, that appears to have been the idea that Mr Biden represented the best chance of maintaining Democratic control of the White House. The moment that wavered, the message discipline went with it, with a sudden burst of briefing about the President’s health released to Left-leaning organisations which had previously maintained the party line that there was “nothing to see here”.

The price for winning power with what looks, to the outside, like a deliberate strategy of deception is now being paid. The Democratic party has a little over 100 days to find a new nominee, install them, sort out their campaign financing, make their case to the American people – and seek forgiveness for the last four years.

After all, there is a considerable degree of explaining left to do. If Mr Biden was only “dependably engaged” for six hours of the day, what was the decision making process in the White House like outside of these hours? Who was guiding the President’s hand during the hours when he needed greater assistance to function? If the Commander in Chief loses his train of thought and is unable to “pick it up again”, who brings him round to a conclusion?

Meanwhile, the battle to secure the nomination is beginning. Mr Biden has endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris. With a great deal of money already raised for the Biden-Harris ticket, she enjoys a considerable financial advantage over any alternative names. However, there are legitimate questions about her popularity with the public and her work in the White House that could see other candidates make an attempt at unseating her.

It is not, to say the least, a good place for a party to be in so close to an election. Then again, it is also an entirely self-inflicted wound. Had Mr Biden prepared a succession plan, or been honest about his limitations at an earlier date, the path to a Democratic presidency would be far clearer.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/21/america-is-paying-the-price-for-the-monstrous-biden-lie/


Yes, lie...that'll win the world over. Imagine going to the polls and actually casting a vote for the guy? I don't know what's worse...Him or the fact the voters have been robbed.
8trackdisco Offline
#1929 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 10:13 AM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080
DrMaddVibe wrote:
America is paying the price for the monstrous Biden lie


Joe Biden has bowed to the inevitable, and abandoned his attempt at re-election. It was a decision that should have been made four years ago in his first election campaign.

Even back then in 2020, there were clear concerns about the Democratic nominee’s age and health. But the Democratic party, with the active connivance of sections of the US media, worked overtime to cast any such concerns as nothing more than Republican slurs, and Mr Biden won the election.

Questions about his health, however, never quite went away. Clips of the President stumbling, misspeaking or appearing visibly confused continued to circulate for the duration of his term, in each case defused by helpful allies across the press, dismissed as “cheapfakes” or labelled “misinformation”.
When the change came, it came swiftly. When questions came one or two at a time from partisan sources, they could, with effort, be dismissed. When it became common knowledge that people of all persuasions could see that something was not quite right, they started to come thick and fast from all sides at once.

The shift in the public perception of Mr Biden’s mental state appears to have resulted in something close to absolute panic within the power structures of Democratic politics. It is possible to deny something that everyone knows, so long as you can maintain the idea that other people haven’t noticed, and punish those who speak out of line.

Biden is by far the most 'financially reckless' president in history: Stephen Moore

But this requires a coordination mechanism, and in this case, that appears to have been the idea that Mr Biden represented the best chance of maintaining Democratic control of the White House. The moment that wavered, the message discipline went with it, with a sudden burst of briefing about the President’s health released to Left-leaning organisations which had previously maintained the party line that there was “nothing to see here”.

The price for winning power with what looks, to the outside, like a deliberate strategy of deception is now being paid. The Democratic party has a little over 100 days to find a new nominee, install them, sort out their campaign financing, make their case to the American people – and seek forgiveness for the last four years.

After all, there is a considerable degree of explaining left to do. If Mr Biden was only “dependably engaged” for six hours of the day, what was the decision making process in the White House like outside of these hours? Who was guiding the President’s hand during the hours when he needed greater assistance to function? If the Commander in Chief loses his train of thought and is unable to “pick it up again”, who brings him round to a conclusion?

Meanwhile, the battle to secure the nomination is beginning. Mr Biden has endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris. With a great deal of money already raised for the Biden-Harris ticket, she enjoys a considerable financial advantage over any alternative names. However, there are legitimate questions about her popularity with the public and her work in the White House that could see other candidates make an attempt at unseating her.

It is not, to say the least, a good place for a party to be in so close to an election. Then again, it is also an entirely self-inflicted wound. Had Mr Biden prepared a succession plan, or been honest about his limitations at an earlier date, the path to a Democratic presidency would be far clearer.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/21/america-is-paying-the-price-for-the-monstrous-biden-lie/


Yes, lie...that'll win the world over. Imagine going to the polls and actually casting a vote for the guy? I don't know what's worse...Him or the fact the voters have been robbed.



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DrMaddVibe Offline
#1930 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 10:35 AM EST
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25 days???? Where have they been for almost 4 years????


https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/21/politics/timeline-biden-dropping-out-of-race-dg/index.html
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#1931 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 11:38 AM EST
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DMV...8track seems to have a problem with your sources being biased toward the right, as if that's a bad thing. Eh?

And then you post an article from a lefty-biased source to make fun of how STUPID they are.
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#1932 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 11:42 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
DMV...8track seems to have a problem with your sources being biased toward the right, as if that's a bad thing. Eh?

And then you post an article from a lefty-biased source to make fun of how STUPID they are.


Darn...caught me.


LOL, he posts that crap up BECAUSE he's on thin ice everywhere. Doesn't like where I post from??? Go to the links I post. Sites like Zerohedge post supportive links where they're sourcing from, but THAT'S not good enough for the fine people that eat Snopes up like biscuits with gravy! Nobody asked what leaning the sites have...do they provide content to the OP or a supporting POV? Yes...STFU!!
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#1933 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 11:49 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
DMV...8track seems to have a problem with your sources being biased toward the right, as if that's a bad thing. Eh?

And then you post an article from a lefty-biased source to make fun of how STUPID they are.


I think that because the source is labeled as “right”, the information can’t be correct and Joe Biden is fine and still running for re-election.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#1934 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 12:04 PM EST
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Posts: 57,353
HockeyDad wrote:
I think that because the source is labeled as “right”, the information can’t be correct and Joe Biden is fine and still running for re-election.



His sniff-test gold standard bastion of Truth neato websites didn't say there were lies. Right leaning. Think about that for a sec.
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#1935 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 12:47 PM EST
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Posts: 57,353
The Next Worst Thing



The fact is that if Kamala Harris was not vice president, she would never be next in line to be the Democratic nominee.

Short of Joe Biden staying in the race while exemplifying the energy and lucidity of an empty bag of Lay's Sour Cream and Onion potato chips on the floor of a basement frat party, "passing the torch" to Kamala Harris is the best thing Republicans could have wished for — and simply "the next worst thing" for Democrats who, in their hail mary hour, reached into their quiver and pulled out the political equivalent of a Fran Drescher laugh track on repeat.

The entire party all of a sudden throwing their endorsement behind a woman who polled worse than a quart of cottage cheese that was left to sit in the sun for six months during the 2020 primary exemplifies the point I made a month or two ago when I argued that politicians have a talent for making the worst possible decisions.

Not only did Tulsi Gabbard publicly humiliate Kamala Harris on the debate stage during the 2020 primaries, but both polling and the results of Harris’ campaign forced us to one conclusion: most Americans find Harris detestable. And, in 2024, there doesn’t seem to be any indication that this attitude has changed.

Democrats’ disingenuous logic continues to whack them in the face when they least expect it like Chevy Chase in the attic, stepping on two-by-fours in National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation.

I can’t describe the pleasure I get from watching the stupid decisions the Democratic party makes—namely, selecting Kamala Harris based on her gender and race to be Vice President of the f*cking United States —come back to bite them in the ass.

The fact is that if Harris was not vice president, she would never be next in line to be the Democratic nominee. She was picked to be vice president only because Joe Biden made his selection based on race and gender hustling, completely ignoring the fact that nobody seemed to like Harris and she doesn’t appear to have the brain torque necessary for the job.

By circumventing an actual legitimate selection process for Vice President, which should always boil down to a meritocracy as one of the most important positions in the world, Democrats planted a political seed in a pile of horse manure that has now blossomed into poisonous, cackling political fungus. And by moving Kamala Harris into position to be the next Presidential nominee, the party is officially taking the first bite of the fungi they began growing on the dung heap four years ago.

Beyond identity politics coming back to bite Democrats, the Harris pick makes no obvious sense because she is easily tethered and tied to the horrific last four years President Biden had in office. We are voting to “continue to be burdened by what was”, to use the parlance of Kamala’s time.

Putting aside the fact that the Democratic Party shamelessly lied about Biden’s mental condition literally up until the day they forced him from the nomination, his presidency was littered with endless miscues and palpable lack of leadership. And those four years are always going to be the Biden-Harris administration, not just the Biden administration.

And so rather than pick somebody new, who doesn’t have a record of taking a blowtorch to civility and law and order in the country over the last four years, the Democrats are actively choosing to retain all of the worst f*ck ups from the last 4 years and try to put the lipstick of a new candidate on them.

However, nothing in the realm of the political world surprises me anymore. Frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hillary Clinton made a run for the position at the upcoming convention — or if the party decided the Presidential candidate by a nationwide non-binary pan-sexual twerking contest, or a round robin “burn the flag” tournament.

But at least the next time they tell you they’re going to change the world, remind them that their candidate sat idly by in office for the last four years while the nation went to hell. And the next time they remind you that they’re the party of democracy, remind them that they all but forced the voters’ choice for their nominee to step down, all so they could make the brilliant strategic move of replacing him with “the next worst thing”.

The circus freak show of life continues, like the worst reality TV show we never even sat down to watch. Have a great week.

https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/the-next-worst-thing

Anyone see Harris' pick for Deputy Press Secretary For Swing-State Pennsylvania???


No???


Don't you dare laugh...


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/meet-biden-harris-campaigns-new-deputy-press-secretary-swing-state-pennsylvania
jeebling Offline
#1936 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 12:50 PM EST
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Posts: 4,180
https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/42460/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1937 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 12:54 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 57,353
jeebling wrote:
https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/42460/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers


There goes that narrative.
8trackdisco Offline
#1938 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 12:57 PM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Darn...caught me.


LOL, he posts that crap up BECAUSE he's on thin ice everywhere. Doesn't like where I post from??? Go to the links I post. Sites like Zerohedge post supportive links where they're sourcing from, but THAT'S not good enough for the fine people that eat Snopes up like biscuits with gravy! Nobody asked what leaning the sites have...do they provide content to the OP or a supporting POV? Yes...STFU!!



No Sir. Simply helping provide Context to your Content.

Content without it, means little.

Btw- Thanks for that Intensa cigar from Corona Cigar. Smoked it yesterday. Good, solid, smoke.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1939 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:03 PM EST
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Posts: 57,353
8trackdisco wrote:
No Sir. Simply helping provide Context to your Content.

Content without it, means little.

Btw- Thanks for that Intensa cigar from Corona Cigar. Smoked it yesterday. Good, solid, smoke.


If I haven't proved that point by now then by all means just skip reading whatever I write.

The Intensa has been my "go to" cigar since Bucanero closed their shutters. There are vitolas that diminish the flavor. The box I doled out is the one I feel zeroed in the real strong flavor it can. Glad you enjoyed it.
8trackdisco Offline
#1940 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:08 PM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/meet-biden-harris-campaigns-new-deputy-press-secretary-swing-state-pennsylvania[/quote]


Context for your Content. Am confident you know the background of Zero Hedge. But for those that don't know their angle, this might be helpful to them. And of course the link is provided at the bottom.




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Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

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Launched in 2009, ZeroHedge or Zero Hedge is a finance blog founded by Colin Lokey, also known as “Tyler Durden,” Daniel Ivandjiiski, and Tim Backshall. According to a Bloomberg Interview, the ZeroHedge founders/authors were anonymous until 2016. A Professional Service Subscription is required to read the rest of Bloomberg’s interview; however, a New Yorker article also covered their history.

ZeroHedge wrote a rebuttal article regarding the Bloomberg interview that can be found here. A quote reads: “Zero Hedge hired Colin after he approached us over a year ago begging for a job after being fired with cause from Seeking Alpha, following a fight with a co-worker.”

On 02/15/2022, U.S. intelligence officials accused Zero Hedge of amplifying Kremlin propaganda targeting Ukrainians and taking direction from Russian spies. Zero Hedge denies the claim.

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A quote from a New Yorker article summarizes the blog’s political stance, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

ZeroHedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, ZeroHedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources from factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus pandemic, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information, as evidenced by failed fact checks below.

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Says China “stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon.” – False
Craigslist ad proof counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally “paid to make chaos”? – False
It’s now against the law in California to shower and do laundry on the same day. – Mostly False
A “newly uncovered” photograph reveals Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was crying over an empty parking lot, not detained migrant children, at a protest in Texas. – False
“The Ukrainian government just indicted the Burisma gas company & named Hunter Biden for accepting millions of dollars from a slush fund.” – False
During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was 0.01°C. – Incorrect
New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars – Inaccurate
This coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus […] the HIV virus (AIDS virus) – Inaccurate
Coronavirus contains ‘HIV insertions’ – Inaccurate
Fabricated genetic sequences used to support the hypothesis the virus arose naturally – False
”Pfizer launches final study for COVID drug that’s suspiciously similar to ‘horse paste’” ivermectin. – False
A preprint of an ivermectin study in the Brazilian city of Itajaí found that prophylactic ivermectin reduced COVID-19 hospitalization and mortality by half. – Unsupported
A new report estimates that 26.6 million people were injured, 1.36 million disabled, and 300,000 excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19 vaccine damages in 2022 alone, which cost the economy nearly $150 billion. – False

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/30/2023)

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8trackdisco Offline
#1941 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:12 PM EST
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jeebling wrote:
https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/42460/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers


Couldn't find a listing on that site.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1942 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:17 PM EST
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Posts: 57,353
8trackdisco wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/meet-biden-harris-campaigns-new-deputy-press-secretary-swing-state-pennsylvania



Context for your Content. Am confident you know the background of Zero Hedge. But for those that don't know their angle, this might be helpful to them. And of course the link is provided at the bottom.




CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per-article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Bulgaria
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History
Launched in 2009, ZeroHedge or Zero Hedge is a finance blog founded by Colin Lokey, also known as “Tyler Durden,” Daniel Ivandjiiski, and Tim Backshall. According to a Bloomberg Interview, the ZeroHedge founders/authors were anonymous until 2016. A Professional Service Subscription is required to read the rest of Bloomberg’s interview; however, a New Yorker article also covered their history.

ZeroHedge wrote a rebuttal article regarding the Bloomberg interview that can be found here. A quote reads: “Zero Hedge hired Colin after he approached us over a year ago begging for a job after being fired with cause from Seeking Alpha, following a fight with a co-worker.”

On 02/15/2022, U.S. intelligence officials accused Zero Hedge of amplifying Kremlin propaganda targeting Ukrainians and taking direction from Russian spies. Zero Hedge denies the claim.

Read our profile on Bulgaria’s government and media.

Funded by / Ownership
The website is registered in Bulgaria under the name Georgi Georgiev, a business partner of Krassimir Ivandjiiski.


According to Rationalwiki, the only writer “conclusively” identified is “Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.” The blog generates revenue from online advertising and subscriptions.

Analysis / Bias
A quote from a New Yorker article summarizes the blog’s political stance, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

ZeroHedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, ZeroHedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources from factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus pandemic, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information, as evidenced by failed fact checks below.

Failed Fact Checks
Says China “stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon.” – False
Craigslist ad proof counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally “paid to make chaos”? – False
It’s now against the law in California to shower and do laundry on the same day. – Mostly False
A “newly uncovered” photograph reveals Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was crying over an empty parking lot, not detained migrant children, at a protest in Texas. – False
“The Ukrainian government just indicted the Burisma gas company & named Hunter Biden for accepting millions of dollars from a slush fund.” – False
During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was 0.01°C. – Incorrect
New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars – Inaccurate
This coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus […] the HIV virus (AIDS virus) – Inaccurate
Coronavirus contains ‘HIV insertions’ – Inaccurate
Fabricated genetic sequences used to support the hypothesis the virus arose naturally – False
”Pfizer launches final study for COVID drug that’s suspiciously similar to ‘horse paste’” ivermectin. – False
A preprint of an ivermectin study in the Brazilian city of Itajaí found that prophylactic ivermectin reduced COVID-19 hospitalization and mortality by half. – Unsupported
A new report estimates that 26.6 million people were injured, 1.36 million disabled, and 300,000 excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19 vaccine damages in 2022 alone, which cost the economy nearly $150 billion. – False

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/30/2023)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/




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Did you "fact check" your site links? I did. They're speaking out of both sides of their mouths!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1943 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:22 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 57,353
8trackdisco wrote:
Couldn't find a listing on that site.




Let me help...

Media Bias Fact Check


MediaBIasFactCheck.com describes itself as “the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet.” The site is owned by Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, who offers no biographical information about himself aside from the following: “Dave has been freelancing for 25+ years for a variety of print and web mediums (sic), with a focus on media bias and the role of media in politics. Dave is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence based reporting” and, “Dave Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence.”

WND was unable to locate a single article with Van Zandt’s byline. Ironically, the “fact checker” fails to establish his own credibility by disclosing his qualifications and training in evaluating news sources.

Asked for information concerning his expertise in the field of journalism and evaluating news sources, Van Zandt told WND: “I am not a journalist and just a person who is interested in how media bias impacts politics. You will find zero claims of expertise on the website.”

Concerning his purported “25+ years” of experience writing for print and web media, he said: “I am not sure why the 25+ years is still on the website. That was removed a year ago when I first started the website. All of the writing I did was small print news zines from the ’90s. I felt that what I wrote in the ’90s is not related to what I am doing today so I removed it. Again, I am not a journalist. I simply have a background in communications and more importantly science where I learned to value evidence over all else. Through this I also became interested in research of all kinds, especially media bias, which is difficult to measure and is subjective to a degree.”

WND asked: Were your evaluations reviewed by any experts in the industry?

“I can’t say they have,” Van Zandt replied. “Though the right-of-center Atlantic Council is using our data for a project they are working on.”

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Van Zandt says he uses “three volunteers” to “research and assist in fact checking.” However, he adds that he doesn’t pay them for their services.

Van Zandt lists WND on his “Right Bias” page , alongside news organizations such as Fox News, the Drudge Report, the Washington Free Beacon, the Daily Wire, the Blaze, Breitbart, Red State, Project Veritas, PJ Media, National Review, Daily Caller and others.

“These media sources are highly biased toward conservative causes,” Van Zandt writes. “They utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

His special notes concerning WND link to Snopes.com and PolitiFact.com, websites that have their own questionable reputations and formulas as so-called “fact checkers.” (See the “Snopes” and “PolitiFact” entries below.)

Get the hottest, most important news stories on the Internet – delivered FREE to your inbox as soon as they break! Take just 30 seconds and sign up for WND’s Email News Alerts!

Van Zandt says he uses a “strict methodology” in determining which news sources are credible , but his website offers vague and typo-ridden explanations of his criteria, such as the following:
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Asked if his own political leanings influence his evaluations, Van Zandt said: “Sure it is possible. However, our methodology is designed to eliminate most of that. We also have a team of 4 researchers with different political leanings so that we can further reduce researcher bias.”

Bill Palmer of the website Daily News Bin accused Van Zandt of retaliating when the Daily News Bin contacted him about his rating. Palmer wrote :


“[I]t turns out Van Zandt has a vindictive streak. After one hapless social media user tried to use his phony ‘Media Bias Fact Check’ site to dispute a thoroughly sourced article from this site, Daily News Bin, we made the mistake of contacting Van Zandt and asking him to take down his ridiculous ‘rating’ – which consisted of nothing more than hearsay such as ‘has been accused of being satire.’ Really? When? By whom? None of those facts seem to matter to the guy running this ‘Media Bias Fact Check’ scam.

“But instead of acknowledging that he’d been caught in the act, Van Zandt retaliated against Daily News Bin by changing his rating to something more sinister. He also added a link to a similar phony security company called World of Trust, which generates its ratings by allowing random anonymous individuals to post whatever bizarre conspiracy theories they want, and then letting these loons vote on whether that news site is ‘real’ or not. These scam sites are now trying to use each other for cover, in order to back up the false and unsubstantiated ‘ratings’ they semi-randomly assign respected news outlets. …
“‘Media Bias Fact Check’ is truly just one guy making misleading claims about news outlets while failing to back them up with anything, while maliciously changing the ratings to punish any news outlets that try to expose the invalidity of what he’s doing.”


But Van Zandt accused Palmer of threatening him , and he said MediaBiasFactCheck welcomes criticism. If evidence is provided, he said, the site will correct its errors.

“Bottom line is, we are not trying to be something we are not,” he said. “We have disclaimers on every page of the website indicating that our method is not scientifically proven and that there is [sic] subjective judgments being used as it is unavoidable with determining bias.”
8trackdisco Offline
#1944 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:26 PM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080
DrMaddVibe wrote:
If I haven't proved that point by now then by all means just skip reading whatever I write.


Think of it as For the Kids. The reasonably newer posters here who aren't as jaded as a lot of the veterans here.

Political content should have labels, as the nutritional content varies widely in sources of news.

Few people have the stomach (see what I did there?) for purests forms of protein, or chocalate for that matter.
So it is protein powder and 95% dark chocolate for me. Shouldn't be surprised I like my news as pure as I can get it as well, no?

You can have your info source food truck and share it freely with the masses. The media bias site is to provide nutritional information.

I'm not mad atcha.

If you want to post the equivilent of political fast food, sugary beverages, and processed food snacks, rock on wit yo bad sef.

Just don't promote it as health food.
8trackdisco Offline
#1945 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:29 PM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080
DrMaddVibe wrote:
Context for your Content. Am confident you know the background of Zero Hedge. But for those that don't know their angle, this might be helpful to them. And of course the link is provided at the bottom.




CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information; therefore, fact-checking and further investigation is recommended on a per-article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

Detailed Report
Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY/PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Bulgaria
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History
Launched in 2009, ZeroHedge or Zero Hedge is a finance blog founded by Colin Lokey, also known as “Tyler Durden,” Daniel Ivandjiiski, and Tim Backshall. According to a Bloomberg Interview, the ZeroHedge founders/authors were anonymous until 2016. A Professional Service Subscription is required to read the rest of Bloomberg’s interview; however, a New Yorker article also covered their history.

ZeroHedge wrote a rebuttal article regarding the Bloomberg interview that can be found here. A quote reads: “Zero Hedge hired Colin after he approached us over a year ago begging for a job after being fired with cause from Seeking Alpha, following a fight with a co-worker.”

On 02/15/2022, U.S. intelligence officials accused Zero Hedge of amplifying Kremlin propaganda targeting Ukrainians and taking direction from Russian spies. Zero Hedge denies the claim.

Read our profile on Bulgaria’s government and media.

Funded by / Ownership
The website is registered in Bulgaria under the name Georgi Georgiev, a business partner of Krassimir Ivandjiiski.


According to Rationalwiki, the only writer “conclusively” identified is “Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge.” The blog generates revenue from online advertising and subscriptions.

Analysis / Bias
A quote from a New Yorker article summarizes the blog’s political stance, which Lokey told Bloomberg is: “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

ZeroHedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, ZeroHedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago.

Editorial content is written under the pseudonym Tyler Durden and usually focuses on conspiracies related to economic collapse. Zero Hedge sources from factually mixed think tanks such as The Mises Institute, which promotes Austrian (Anarcho-Capitalism) economics. Finally, during the Coronavirus pandemic, they have frequently promoted false and misleading information, as evidenced by failed fact checks below.

Failed Fact Checks
Says China “stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon.” – False
Craigslist ad proof counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally “paid to make chaos”? – False
It’s now against the law in California to shower and do laundry on the same day. – Mostly False
A “newly uncovered” photograph reveals Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was crying over an empty parking lot, not detained migrant children, at a protest in Texas. – False
“The Ukrainian government just indicted the Burisma gas company & named Hunter Biden for accepting millions of dollars from a slush fund.” – False
During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was 0.01°C. – Incorrect
New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars – Inaccurate
This coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus […] the HIV virus (AIDS virus) – Inaccurate
Coronavirus contains ‘HIV insertions’ – Inaccurate
Fabricated genetic sequences used to support the hypothesis the virus arose naturally – False
”Pfizer launches final study for COVID drug that’s suspiciously similar to ‘horse paste’” ivermectin. – False
A preprint of an ivermectin study in the Brazilian city of Itajaí found that prophylactic ivermectin reduced COVID-19 hospitalization and mortality by half. – Unsupported
A new report estimates that 26.6 million people were injured, 1.36 million disabled, and 300,000 excess deaths can be attributed to COVID-19 vaccine damages in 2022 alone, which cost the economy nearly $150 billion. – False

Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left. (8/18/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 10/30/2023)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/







Did you "fact check" your site links? I did. They're speaking out of both sides of their mouths![/quote]

Kind of like Biden is senile he has to go!
(followed by)
Biden being out is circumventing the will of the people!

Like that?

I'm headed outside to play. I'll leave you and the other Trumpbots to get on with their days.
HockeyDad Offline
#1946 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:34 PM EST
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,777
I fact-checked it and 8track isn’t really heading outside to play.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1947 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 1:41 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 57,353
8trackdisco wrote:
Think of it as For the Kids. The reasonably newer posters here who aren't as jaded as a lot of the veterans here.

Political content should have labels, as the nutritional content varies widely in sources of news.

Few people have the stomach (see what I did there?) for purests forms of protein, or chocalate for that matter.
So it is protein powder and 95% dark chocolate for me. Shouldn't be surprised I like my news as pure as I can get it as well, no?

You can have your info source food truck and share it freely with the masses. The media bias site is to provide nutritional information.

I'm not mad atcha.

If you want to post the equivilent of political fast food, sugary beverages, and processed food snacks, rock on wit yo bad sef.

Just don't promote it as health food.



By all means, I don't ever see you share these pure news sites. All I see is you doing a weakass impersonation of TW. He liked to bash Zerohedge too. Until he couldn't explain how the "conspiracy site" was accurate and he was so damned wrong.

If you think for a second I'm some "pied piper"...nope. Read the info...Go to the sites. Is it wrong? Call it out if it is. I'm not perfect, and I don't believe to be either. Getting tired explaining it over and over and over to you though. I don't know if it's because you really don't read what I post but just see it from me and hate it or can't read period. That's not on me. That's ON YOU!
RayR Offline
#1948 Posted: Mon, Jul 22 2024, 5:35 PM EST
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 10,054
I've fact-checked mediabiasfactcheck.com and have determined they have an EXTREME LEFT BIAS.

It is owned by some mysterious armchair media analyst character by the name of Dave Van Zandt,
DrMaddVibe Offline
#1949 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2024, 9:30 AM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 57,353
Sanders: ‘Yeah,’ DNC Did Circle Wagons for Biden in Primary, ‘We Are Where We Are At’



During an interview with ABC News that was aired on Monday’s broadcast of “Nightline,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) responded to questions on whether the DNC ensured President Joe Biden would get the nomination by stating, “[Y]eah, I think the idea of having serious debates among the candidates is always a positive idea.” But “right now, we are where we are at. … We need to get going and Kamala Harris will be the candidate.”

Host Linsey Davis asked, “I’m curious your stance on — you had people like Rep. Dean Phillips (D-MN) and Marianne Williamson, who were both Democratic candidates on state primary ballots across the country, but the DNC did not allow any room for anyone but Biden. Was that a mistake?”

Sanders answered, “Well, I know Marianne, and she is a very, very intelligent, decent person, and Phillips, I don’t know. But, yeah, I think the idea of having serious debates among the candidates is always a positive idea.”

Davis then asked, “Do you think that — because the allegations are worthy of repeating, that the DNC provided cover for Biden?”

Sanders responded, “Look, right now, we are where we are at. We have Donald Trump, who is raising enormous amounts of money from the richest people in this country, he’s campaigning. We need to get going and Kamala Harris will be the candidate.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/07/23/sanders-yeah-dnc-did-circle-wagons-for-biden-in-primary-we-are-where-we-are-at/

Standing up for the "workers", but the Teamsters President is a key presenter at the GOP convention??? You cannot make this up. The Dems are living in some make-believe fantasy world of lollipops, rainbows and unicorns. Meanwhile the world is on fire because The United States of America literally had a "Weekend At Bernie's" presidency sham foisted on them and perpetrated by Pedo Joe's inner circle, deep state and Obama & Co..
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#1950 Posted: Tue, Jul 23 2024, 10:00 AM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 61,080
DrMaddVibe wrote:
By all means, I don't ever see you share these pure news sites. All I see is you doing a weakass impersonation of TW. He liked to bash Zerohedge too. Until he couldn't explain how the "conspiracy site" was accurate and he was so damned wrong.

If you think for a second I'm some "pied piper"...nope. Read the info...Go to the sites. Is it wrong? Call it out if it is. I'm not perfect, and I don't believe to be either. Getting tired explaining it over and over and over to you though. I don't know if it's because you really don't read what I post but just see it from me and hate it or can't read period. That's not on me. That's ON YOU!


Common Ground: Neither one of us are perfect. 100% in agreement. We bring plenty of flaws to the table, and fail everyday.

I don't ever see you share these pure news sites. All I see is you doing a weakass impersonation of TW.

I liked and was driven by having an advisary in my fulltime work world. That was the way I built and maintained a successful career. Driving to beat the advisary, because I was on the side of Good and they weren't.

We may have common ground here too, only for you, it is people who aren't to the right enough or argue with you.
Adroomi (I had no love for him either), Victor8675309 (majoryly annoying, smug. Adroomi Light). Sat down with him a few times face to face and talked. He wasn't the monster I though he was, although we disagreed on 89.2% (instead of 98.2). TW got tangled up in the CoVid stuff and became the new target. He was, and believe still is a Republican. But he wasn't to the Right enough, he defended policies either he had to or didn't know the full scoop, or who knows- maybe Willfull Blindness.

Am unsure if I'm your target at this point now. Might be Spreyside or rfenst. It doesn't really matter. I was on the vigilante posse for a long time here, chasing down liberals, democrats, socialists, commies, arabs. Took a shot (figuratively) at rfenst once a decade or so ago calling him a "typical Jewish lawyer". The shot was intended specifically for him- although I can see where it could have been taken as anti-semetic.

I used to think people like adroomi, Victor, TW, Ben and the like were chased out of the forums. Don't feel that way any more. They decided to level up. Get out of the madness.

Maybe I flatter myself by thinking you and the other Trumpers have a bullseye on me (too soon). However, it matters little to me. If I don't hang around here- the Politics forum or Cbid at all, you'll need to figure out who's next. Who lacks the necesarry purity in the cause? Am conifident you'll come up with someone.

Pied Piper & Zero Hedge.

Going to try another angle in an attempt to help you understand where I'm coming from. Since the court case of New World Communications of Tampa, Inc. v. Jane Akre case and the appeal Fox News won the case ruling news distortion did not qualify as "law, rule, or regulation" under the statute. was settled, the chitshow has been running, and running faster all of the time.

I'm always looking for the old school news. Miss growing up watching Walter Cronkite. He simply reported the news and it never had any hint of distortion.

In my world, the news media should be calling balls and strikes. Not to be in the bag for or against the pitcher or the hitter. That is why I dislike news sources that call a pitch thigh high and over the plate a ball. I don't care which side is pitching.

What sources do I watch or listen to? I thought I shared mine, but seeing you asked, I'll share them again (knowing full well, this will probably get you, HD and the rest of far right foaming at the mouth to discredit me and my sources because that is what Group Think does for those in the Trump Universe).

NewsNation: Morning in America plays from 5:00-8:00 a.m.

NewsNation: The Hill 5:00-6:00 p.m.

AllSides.com: Website which is an aggrigator of other sites, and shows the bias of the news organization in general. Center, Slightly Right, Slightly Left etc. I prefer organizations in the Center category. I'll then sometimes look for more stories similar marked as Slightly Rght and Slightly Left to get their perspective on the same events.

TheFactual.com: Similar to AllSides. They grade the sources, they also grade the factualness of the story with a grade. Choices include grades of >75%, >50%, and >25%. So if a person wants to go all Ricksamaven or mR. jONes, they can scratch that Feed The Hate itch that plague some people here, they can look at stories considered 25% factual. Can also sort it by Left, Center or Right.

Favored Podcasts:
-Honestly by Bari Weisse.
-Ink Stained Wretches - Christ Stirewalt and Alianna Johnson.

Another I just started listening to is The Remnant - Jonah Goldberg. Only a couple episodes in, so can't really call it a favorite yet.

I don't know if it's because you really don't read what I post. I read a lot more of your stuff when you are explaining what you see is happening, and why you feel it is happening, and how you see it truly affecting people and the country. You use to do more of that

But just see it from me and hate it. It is the copy and pastes that make my eyes graze over.

Or can't read period. Thankfully, my wife is here to help me with the big... werds.
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