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zitotczito Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 9:16 PM EST
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“The United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters (UA) issued the following statement today following the news that the Biden-Harris Administration plans to rescind the permit and effectively end construction on the Keystone XL pipeline:

“ ‘In revoking this permit, the Biden Administration has chosen to listen to the voices of fringe activists instead of union members and the American consumer on Day 1. Let me be very clear: When built with union labor by the men and women of the United Association, pipelines like Keystone XL remain the safest and most efficient modes of energy transportation in the world. Sadly, the Biden Administration has now put thousands of union workers out of work. For the average American family, it means energy costs will go up and communities will no longer see the local investments that come with pipeline construction,’ said Mark McManus, General President of the United Association.”

The union backed Biden, so good glad he screwed you. Now get lost and eat your government supplied cat food and stop the whining.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 9:40 PM EST
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98.2% of c-bidders despise unions, so they're happy?
HockeyDad Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 9:41 PM EST
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HockeySon is in that union. He’s a pipe welder.
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 9:47 PM EST
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so we're not happy?
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 9:59 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
HockeySon is in that union. He’s a pipe welder.


Can he weld a broken cob ?
BuckyB93 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:00 PM EST
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Yeah, the only jobs lost are union jobs. Blinders on much?

C'mon frank, you're smarter than that.
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:04 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
98.2% of c-bidders despise unions, so they're happy?


Anyone happy a working man or woman is out of a job is clearly an POS and deserves to let from go from a traveling job in a far away location with no recourse.
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:14 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
HockeySon is in that union. He’s a pipe welder.


Awesome, a tip of the colorful narrow brimmed welder's hat to HockeySon. I was certified to welcome on structural steel in Los Angeles and had a second job in a welding school before getting into the nuclear power plant construction business.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:16 PM EST
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You'd think these new green jobs would be available before killing real jobs... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:18 PM EST
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So Joe would rather we send our money to the Middle East or Venezuela than to our Canadian neighbors.

Oh, and move oil by train on crappy railroads instead of a pipelines, like those that cris cross the country.

If you agree with this decision, please, shut off your gas meter at your house and have your automobiles crushed, it's the least you can do.
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 10:50 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Awesome, a tip of the colorful narrow brimmed welder's hat to HockeySon. I was certified to welcome on structural steel in Los Angeles and had a second job in a welding school before getting into the nuclear power plant construction business.


He started off on ocean going oil tanker repair then got into the pipe fitter/welder union. He travels all around the county. Refineries, power plants, chemical plants, pipelines etc. his last gig was an Intel plant in Portland. He’s holed up with his girlfriend in Vegas now and we got to see him between Christmas and New Years. It had been three years.

Covid the industry hard. Difficult to social distance.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021, 11:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
He started off on ocean going oil tanker repair then got into the pipe fitter/welder union. He travels all around the county. Refineries, power plants, chemical plants, pipelines etc. his last gig was an Intel plant in Portland. He’s holed up with his girlfriend in Vegas now and we got to see him between Christmas and New Years. It had been three years.

Covid the industry hard. Difficult to social distance.


It sounds like he is getting the best kind of experience.

My younger son just left an oilfield field machining and service company, Team Industrial. He is friends with one of their crackerjack problem solving welders. That welder makes more money than most of their top managers, plus the satisfaction of bing that guy that got it done.
Smooth light Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:05 AM EST
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Welder's have'HOT RODS'
Cheno Online
#14 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:11 AM EST
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"Your people suck"
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:12 AM EST
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Well we hired a old white dude that likes to play dress up for a black dude he fired.

Kills tons of jobs.

Let’s China be part of our infrastructure.

Is set to give billions to foreign powers when we have people losing jobs and homes......

Not gaining any popularity with his hard left honeymoon.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 8:18 AM EST
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and just like that 60,000 jobs went down the toilet.

Now...who pays for the storage or destruction of the pipe that was going to be used?

YOU do.

SUCKERS.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 8:28 AM EST
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Just like the Talking Heads lyrics..."Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...SAME...AS...IT...EVER...WAS...


http://www.cigarbid.com/...U-S-Citizens-by-Big-Oil



Same old voices that witnessed the drop at the pumps and got us energy dependent again, but let's not mess with pesky truths nor the facts that China and Buffet has to get PAID!
Krazeehorse Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 8:32 AM EST
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Our business definitely slows down when gas is $3-4/gallon. Throw in higher heating costs at the house.
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 10:52 AM EST
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I heard he just signed an executive order to make the sky fall Angry

The predictions in here are always so accurate and based on fact lol
HockeyDad Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 11:42 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Just like the Talking Heads lyrics..."Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...SAME...AS...IT...EVER...WAS...


http://www.cigarbid.com/...U-S-Citizens-by-Big-Oil



Same old voices that witnessed the drop at the pumps and got us energy dependent again, but let's not mess with pesky truths nor the facts that China and Buffet has to get PAID!


Everything I wrote in that thread was f&$king genius!
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 11:43 AM EST
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The OP makes very good points. The pipeline was a source for thousands of highly paid jobs. Gone.
The pipeline is a carbon-free means to transport the oil. Gone.
The pipeline "just happens" to thread its way through predominantly Red states. Coincidence.
The pipeline was a feather in Trump's cap. "unrelated", I'm sure.

This is pure politics in the worst sense.
If there are legitimate concerns with the pipeline then it should be discussed. Not dismissed.

I don't like most unions. Trade unions are different. And they're losing a lot on this.
And American's will feel it at the pump. Which is the plan. It's easier to pitch AOC's green new deal when gas prices are high.




DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 11:55 AM EST
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I heard the oil would eat through the pipe and leak and stuff... Mellow
bgz Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 11:55 AM EST
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Can't say I'm sad about this... apparently my people suck :)
gummy jones Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:14 PM EST
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The mullahs need moolah

Nothing to see here
HockeyDad Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:17 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Can't say I'm sad about this... apparently my people suck :)


No, they are just pawns.
BuckyB93 Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard the oil would eat through the pipe and leak and stuff... Mellow


Me too. Might explain why there are no baby seals in the Midwest anymore. Either that or you clubbed them all.

Too bad, I hear HD only needs a few more pelts to finish his coat.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:35 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
No, they are just envelope stuffing pawns.



Fixed it for ya.Herfing
CelticBomber Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 12:43 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard he just signed an executive order to make the sky fall Angry

The predictions in here are always so accurate and based on fact lol


To be fair... A lot of us did call the whole Trump fiasco. Believe in crystal balls now?
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 1:25 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Me too. Might explain why there are no baby seals in the Midwest anymore. Either that or you clubbed them all.

Too bad, I hear HD only needs a few more pelts to finish his coat.


I still need plenty of pelts. I want this coat to be Lady Gaga fabulous!
bgz Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 1:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
No, they are just pawns.


Why do you hate Indians?
bgz Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 1:31 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Fixed it for ya.Herfing


I don't care why you hate Indians... you're a walmart meme... I've seen you, lmfao.
HockeyDad Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 1:42 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Why do you hate Indians?


I don’t hate Indians. I H1 visa them to work here. As for Native Americans, I don’t hate them either. I just recognize that they are just pawns in the whole Keystone XL and always will be. They don’t even factor into the decision but it is quant that we let them feel like they do matter.
Smooth light Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 1:53 PM EST
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Blood on the highway, just hose it down the gutter, nobody will notice.

Sky is falling, it's just all the fake ballot's landing.

It's our 'new' wonderful life,every time we lose a job, some globalist
gets a bigger grin.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:02 PM EST
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I could go for some prawns about now
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:05 PM EST
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I might go to Costco and get some king crab legs.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:08 PM EST
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Does the rest of the king crab get to live like CROS and Bob?
HockeyDad Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:12 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Does the rest of the king crab get to live like CROS and Bob?


I don’t know, I don’t care. (Just like how I feel about CROS)
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:17 PM EST
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OhMyGod
delta1 Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:20 PM EST
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damm gay sexist...

why not eat the queen crab legs...the fragrance is captivating
delta1 Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:28 PM EST
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most of the jobs lost were temporary seasonal construction jobs, 4-8 months for two years at most...and 11,000 is a high estimate, for part-time jobs

only 35 permanent maintenance type jobs


maybe we should count the lower paying jobs lost that would've been created for environmental cleanups....
bgz Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:28 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don’t hate Indians. I H1 visa them to work here. As for Native Americans, I don’t hate them either. I just recognize that they are just pawns in the whole Keystone XL and always will be. They don’t even factor into the decision but it is quant that we let them feel like they do matter.


Strangly I understand your position... and as was already stated... you can blame Canada on this one.

So I don't think it matters much.
delta1 Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:32 PM EST
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so sad to see big oil losing some of its clout...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#43 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 2:43 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I don't care why you hate Indians... you're a walmart meme... I've seen you, lmfao.


Nobody said a damned thing about Indians.

Thanks but I'm married. I could care less what you look like.
RayR Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 5:19 PM EST
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Biden remorse in New Mexico too as Joe Biden Places Two-Month Moratorium on New Oil Leases and Drilling Permits in New Mexico, A State He Won in November

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/joe-biden-places-two-month-moratorium-on-new-oil-leases-and-drilling-permits-in-new-mexico-a-state-he-won-in-november/
RayR Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 6:42 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Strangly I understand your position... and as was already stated... you can blame Canada on this one.

So I don't think it matters much.


Don't look now Benny, the Ute are on the warpath, maybe they'll unleash Skinwalkers upon the fork tongued Biden and his lizard people. That would be spectacular

Indian Tribe Slams Biden's Drilling Ban: 'Attack on Our Economy, Sovereignty, and Our Right to Self-Determination'

https://www.westernjournal.com/indian-tribe-slams-bidens-drilling-ban-attack-economy-sovereignty-right-self-determination/
HockeyDad Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 6:50 PM EST
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Memo to Utes from Biden: here’s some blankets. Buy Chinese solar panels.
frankj1 Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 6:59 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Yeah, the only jobs lost are union jobs. Blinders on much?

C'mon frank, you're smarter than that.

A- I thought my two posts were harmless pokes at our gang here...obviously I never wish for any person nor family to be wracked with the pain unemployment issues.

2- You've met me. You are one of the handful who should know I am not as smaht as I type, I'm just good wif words.


OK, back to real world and my lack of knowledge on this specific subject.
Have these jobs been on-going and are they now eliminated or will this just prevent (delay?) them from materializing?
Both scenarios are bad but the former is worse...

Last question for now, why didn't this get cleared up in the 4 years Trump had to work on it?

OK, one more. Do we need this for any reasons other than jobs?

Thanks
teedubbya Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 7:19 PM EST
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I’m surprised Trump didn’t replace the XL pipeline with the XXL Super Duper pipeline
rfenst Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 7:23 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
OK, one more. Do we need this for any reasons other than jobs?
I too hate to see anyone lose their job (union or otherwise), but I was thinking something similar: What percentage of U.S. oil consumption would the new addition to the pipeline have provided?
HockeyDad Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, Jan 24 2021, 8:17 PM EST
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Some of the jobs were oncoming and are now eliminated.

Many of the jobs were already under contract for 2021. Those are also now eliminated.

It didn’t get cleared up under the Trump years because of the typical environmental challenges.

I think it would have provided around 900,000 barrels a day. We can just import that from the Saudis but that increases our dependence on Middle East instability.
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