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Arizona Republican Meltdown
rfenst Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
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The state party reveals the divisions that could doom the GOP for years.

WSJ Editorial Board

Republicans lost Arizona in the November presidential race for the first time since 1996, and they have lost three U.S. Senate races in a row. How to respond? Naturally, Arizona’s Republican Party decided on the weekend to censure three of its most prominent . . . fellow Republicans.

The state party’s committee members, led by chairwoman Kelli Ward, passed resolutions rebuking Cindy McCain, the widow of former Sen. John McCain; former Sen. Jeff Flake; and even current Gov. Doug Ducey. The first two offended the members by endorsing Joe Biden over Donald Trump for President. Mr. Ducey’s offense is that he introduced pandemic lockdowns—though they were relatively modest compared to those in much of the country.

The resolutions have little practical effect, but they symbolize the party divisions that could doom the GOP to minority status nationwide for years. Ms. Ward, who has run twice for Senate and lost, was endorsed for party chair this past week by Donald Trump. Mr. Trump, now decamped to Mar-a-Lago, is contemplating revenge against everyone in the GOP he blames for his defeat.

Sensible parties that lose elections try to reunite in opposition even while they debate policy differences and examine why they lost. They don’t excommunicate people who could help rebuild a majority. Mr. Flake and Ms. McCain found Mr. Trump’s behavior as President unacceptable, but they were hardly alone. Mr. Trump didn’t lose because Republicans betrayed him. He lost because he alienated too many voters in Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Arizona who liked his policies but disliked his tumultuous leadership.

The attack on Mr. Ducey is simply bizarre. The Governor has a strong conservative record and will finish his second term in 2022. Senate Republicans have been hoping to recruit him to run against newly elected Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly, who must run again in 2022 because he is filling former Sen. McCain’s uncompleted term.

The GOP needs to win seats like this to regain the majority in what will be a tough 2022 Senate map. But why would Mr. Ducey run if his own party members are attacking him? Sure enough, he said this weekend he has no interest in running for the Senate. Chalk one up for Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

The Arizona meltdown illustrates Mr. Trump’s potential as a former President to damage the GOP for years. He blames Mr. Ducey for not challenging Arizona’s electoral votes for Joe Biden, though the Governor had no legal grounds for doing so. The Trump campaign’s ballot complaints lacked significant evidence, and a challenge lost in court.

If Mr. Trump seeks revenge against anyone who voted to impeach him, or anyone who accepts Mr. Biden’s victory, he will split the party even if he doesn’t run for office again himself. If he forms a third party, he won’t win. But he would all but guarantee that Democrats keep the House and Senate in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

If Republicans want to keep losing elections, they’ll keep fighting over 2020 and Donald Trump instead of looking to the future.

bgz Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 07-29-2014
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Anyone who still supports trump is a LOW IQ LOOOOOOOOzZZZZzzzA.


And they really should be ashamed of themselves... really. You know what they're saying about people that still support him don't ya... we all know. That's right.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted:
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They need to form their own party. They are the rinos
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted:
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Hawley is effing embarrassing
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted:
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I’m sorry I thought you said 3 Republicans......
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
I always thought being a member of the republican party is what made someone a republican... I don't know anything about politics so I'm probably wrong...
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
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I thought it might be boring after Trump but actually it’s kind of fun
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Opie, if you identify as Celticbomber does that make you a creepy weirdo? No. Being a creepy weirdo makes you a creepy weirdo.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
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We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that first one...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#10 Posted:
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To me, "conservative" would, for lack of a better term, be a belief system... "republican" is literally just a club people belong to... like peta... or nambla....
Smooth light Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
Is that like the rainbow 🌈 coalition?

Let everyone in,just vote for us now, and will see if you can be a member later.
Gene363 Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 01-24-2003
Posts: 30,669
Arizona repeatidly sent McCain to parliament of whores, 'nuff said.
tonygraz Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
Posts: 20,175
If I lived in Arizona, I would have probably voted for him. I was leaning towards voting for him until he picked Palin for a running mate.
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
the McCain now catching flack from the GOP is Cindy McCain, John's daughter...she had the gall, honesty and integrity to criticize Trump for the events on Jan. 6 and supported his impeachment...

GOP peeps in AZ still believe Trump's lies about the election, despite several Federal court cases decided against Trump about election issues in AZ, and that there was no evidence of fraud...


GOP has been reduced to a group of cultists clinging to their belief in a chosen one, Trump, and all his lies, including the big lie that he won the election, but that it was stolen without any evidence or proof...like kids who believe that Santa will bring them presents on Christmas...

his base of GOP supporters don't see Trump's lies and behavior through a reality that would induce outrage if he was a Dem
Smooth light Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
Time is on our side,yes it is. You just got to wait for it.

Your integrity or lack of it shows in your intolerance of the possibility. Not everyone is as smart as you.
RayR Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 07-20-2020
Posts: 8,796
No McCain could ever be described as having honesty and integrity, they are a family of neocon thieves and warmongers. I think that's why the leftists find them so appealing.
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