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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 1:49 PM EST
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Chauvin's attorney lost my attention a long time ago. Get to the point already.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 1:57 PM EST
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I don't have the time to follow it live.

Does he have just one attorney or a team?
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 2:06 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I don't have the time to follow it live.

Does he have just one attorney or a team?

Can't tell, but only one lawyer sitting at his table with him. The union is probably paying Chauvin's defense so I've got to believe there are at least a few others.
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 2:44 PM EST
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Not watching. I’m employed.
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 2:51 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Not watching. I’m employed.

Not me for now. Looking for something to due part-time at lest than full energy.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 3:07 PM EST
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George Floyd.

The only man to have 4 times a lethal dose of fentanyl and COVID19 and to not be listed as a COVID19 death.

He is a trailblazer!

#chinesebatfluaidsfentanyl
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 3:27 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
George Floyd.

The only man to have 4 times a lethal dose of fentanyl and COVID19 and to not be listed as a COVID19 death.

He is a trailblazer!

#chinesebatfluaidsfentanyl

Do you believe Floyd was solely at fault for his death?
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 4:38 PM EST
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No I don’t.

They failed to render aid the second he went unconscious. There’s fault there that could be criminal and I’m very UN QUALIFIED to determine that. I will say the charges they filed will be a tough hurdle and IMO feed an appeal if needed.

I’ve watched the entire video multiple times and it makes me sad to hear his behavior, to hear the cops verbal tone and phrases used a couple times, and I also wish that they would have called medical sooner. But that’s all Monday morning quarterbacking and unlike most in the current loud generation I don’t think my opinion has more merit than other’s. It’s just my opinion.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 4:39 PM EST
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I’ve been pretty damn consistent over the years here with reforming escalating force....
Stogie1020 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 4:45 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’ve been pretty damn consistent over the years here with reforming escalating force....

We know, we know....

You prefer escalator force over elevator force...
RayR Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Mar 29 2021, 4:49 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
George Floyd.

The only man to have 4 times a lethal dose of fentanyl and COVID19 and to not be listed as a COVID19 death.

He is a trailblazer!

#chinesebatfluaidsfentanyl


I've heard he was like Jesus or something.Anxious
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 10:14 AM EST
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Boring as hell because Chauvin's lawyer takes forever to get to the point.
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 11:42 AM EST
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Is Minneapolis burning yet?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 11:46 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Is Minneapolis burning yet?



Not if that uppity jury does what it's supposed to!
rfenst Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 2:31 PM EST
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I enjoyed being on a jury before. Anyone else serve on one?
Speyside Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 2:37 PM EST
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I think the prosecutor will have a hard time making a case for the charges. No matter what the decision Minneapolis is in a bad spot.
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 2:43 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think the prosecutor will have a hard time making a case for the charges. No matter what the decision Minneapolis is in a bad spot.

I think the jury will convict as of right now... and there is so much more to come.
Speyside Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 2:56 PM EST
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Robert, you may be correct. I think jury nullification will cause at least one person not to convict. Plus I think no bruising on the neck of the body changes some elements.
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 3:56 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I think the jury will convict as of right now... and there is so much more to come.


If they don't, the morally depraved assclowns will riot and burn and loot all over again.
RayR Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 4:23 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I enjoyed being on a jury before. Anyone else serve on one?


Not me, they tried but I'm not easily led as to how think so they sent me home.
And they didn't even know I'm pro jury nullification.
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#21 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 4:35 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
If they don't, the morally depraved assclowns will riot and burn and loot all over again.

My gut says that will happen regardless of the outcome.
RayR Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 4:52 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
My gut says that will happen regardless of the outcome.


Yer right, they are just itching for another riot. Kamala told them they shouldn't stop,
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 5:24 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I enjoyed being on a jury before. Anyone else serve on one?


I’ve been on two juries. One was a simple DUI and over in a day. The other was rape and attempted murder of an elderly woman and rape of a second woman and lasted a month.

The Covid spike in January got me out of another jury summons.
MACS Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 6:52 PM EST
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I did one. Three weeks. Gang bangers carjacked a kid... guilty.
Gene363 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 7:32 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I enjoyed being on a jury before. Anyone else serve on one?



Several, I spent a month on jury duty in LA, one civil trial and three criminal trials. I was called to jury duty in Texas and South Carolina, but the cases were either settled or they had a jury before my number came up.

Interesting work, got to hear some sharp cookie lawyers and met a lot of interesting jurors.

I also met one lawyer I suspect had someone else take the bar exam for him, what an idiot. Amoung puzzling questions, so bad the Judge interrupted and ask an obvious question. He also, in court, referred to stolen property as "stolendid", I kid you not. Months after my term on jury duty there was an article in the paper about a lawyer getting fired for taking a juror to Las Vegas for a weekend of fun. The juror in question was sitting on a trial the lawyer was prosicuting.

Just for balance, there was one idiot juror that chose not believe the option of a finger print expert.
Mr. Jones Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 7:58 PM EST
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Four times the lethal dose of fentynol??

Is that even true?

If so...

That says everything...

It tells me he was a VERY VERY HARD CORD JUNKIE HEROIN ADDICT THAT had an Amazing tollerance to Chinese fentynol added to the brown powder junk...

If he survived that dose ? With asthma? High blood pressure and a heart condition? Then he was a caped crusader flying high and higher stratosphere superman...

I really don't get it...at all...
borndead1 Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 8:02 PM EST
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I finally saw the entire 9 minute video. The real shocker for me was when Chauvin wouldn't even remove his knee from Floyd's neck to let the paramedic check for a pulse. Criminally negligent homicide at the very least, IMO.
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 8:49 PM EST
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Except there’s no way to know when he died.....and he was silent and motionless for some time before EMTs arrived. Four times lethal fentanyl and COVID19......and a knee which didn’t leave a bruise did him in?

Optics are the biggest problem with this case. Well that and one parties use of narrative and far too many citizens being morons.
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 9:32 PM EST
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optics, meaning watching in real time for 9 minutes?

does chauvin go on trial here right after the victim?

Jeebus, maybe the cop is innocent, but the dead guy definitely isn't guilty.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 9:47 PM EST
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I’m taking notes on who I’d never want on a jury......
frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Mar 30 2021, 10:02 PM EST
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I have a price...
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 6:44 AM EST
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I served on a jury once. It can make you appreciate the way the justice system works. Since that time I figured out how to get excused during the voir dire examination.
tonygraz Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 6:47 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m taking notes on who I’d never want on a jury......


Planning a life of crime ?
Mr. Jones Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 7:32 AM EST
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Been there

Retired now...
frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 10:40 AM EST
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been called many times over the years but always sent home.

A friend was on a Grand Jury for something like 4 or 6 months a while back. He liked the experience and said it was amazing how often they sided with the government...was impressed by how well they had researched to make sure they had a real case against the likely perp.

And he is a regular (not fringe) Lib, not even very political.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 10:47 AM EST
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I never get picked because I don't pick a position and wait for the facts to support it.
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#37 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:10 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
been called many times over the years but always sent home................. .

It’s obvious by your posts here that you could never be impartial...
BuckyB93 Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:34 AM EST
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Once the lawyers see frank enter the room, they know it's going to be a hung jury.
BuckyB93 Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:34 AM EST
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Tirty NINE!
HockeyDad Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:37 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I never get picked because I don't pick a position and wait for the facts to support it.


...and then still don’t pick a position!
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 12:46 PM EST
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Why decide now? It’s almost lunchtime 🥙
Gene363 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 1:37 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Why decide now? It’s almost lunchtime 🥙


On one criminal trial jury we all agreed on the case, but it was right at 11:00 AM so someone, Whistle me, suggested holding out a little longer to get the court to buy us lunch, it wasn't bad and our bailiff was happy too.
Stogie1020 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 1:41 PM EST
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^That's awesome!
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 4:33 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Once the lawyers see frank enter the room, they know it's going to be a hung jury.

NICE!
Gene363 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 5:53 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Once the lawyers see frank enter the room, they know it's going to be a hung jury.



Rimshot!
tonygraz Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 6:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Why decide now? It’s almost lunchtime 🥙


Well, too late to start anything now.
fretkillr Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 6:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Do you believe Floyd was solely at fault for his death?



Yep.
fretkillr Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 6:51 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I finally saw the entire 9 minute video. The real shocker for me was when Chauvin wouldn't even remove his knee from Floyd's neck to let the paramedic check for a pulse. Criminally negligent homicide at the very least, IMO.



So, the 9 minute vid was just the kneeling part, yes? LA Times reported that Chauvin pressed to his neck/back for 7:45, not 8:45.

But, were you able to see the video before that? Where they show the fentanyl in his mouth? Then it was gone? His sketchy (to say the least) behavior--caused by him being on speed, the aforementioned fentanyl, and I think alcohol.

Then he resisted two officers for how long? Just under 10 mins. And in the back of the car, he kept saying he couldn't breathe. Well before being on the ground.

And also, you neglected to say that the officers checked for a pulse routinely for him (don't know the exact number, but it was more than two).

He ingested lethal doses of drugs. He killed himself. It wasn't homicide, it was suicide.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 7:06 PM EST
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Plus this little known action...

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/crime/chauvins-attorney-says-he-other-lawyers-found-george-floyds-drugs-in-back-of-police-car/89-651e55f4-b829-445b-9dfd-189b867cc489
teedubbya Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Mar 31 2021, 7:08 PM EST
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well I guess we don't need a trial then. INOCENT


LOL

Let it play out. It is what it is.
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