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Flavored Cigars to be Banned inU.S
midmofan Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 04-25-2014
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Welp, they are doing it. No flavored cigars (and no menthol cigs) in the proposed new regulations.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/health/fda-menthol-cigarette-ban/index.html

All the stories and reports concentrate on Menthol and ignore the cigar part of this. The target they have is the cheap gas station singles that kids buy I know, but so far I don't see anything that exempts more "premium" offerings

OK, so D.E., Acid, and a bunch others obviously flavored, but I wonder about things like the fire-cured smokes, or Camacho Barrel aged, and more.

What a cluster.

Edit: Well, one possible good thing: Perhaps this will put and end to those sweetened LGCs! :)
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
wasn't the sky gonna fall on the premium cigar industry a few years ago?

...maybe this'll be more of the same...
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,476
According to what I read on HW the decision on premium cigars will be announced in 24 hours.
Stogie1020 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Maybe reviewers should stop discussing tasting cardamom, baking spices and pizza crust in premium cigar reviews. The FDA might think ALL cigars are flavored...
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted:
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There are already some small cigars that CBID will not ship to some states - CT, ME and perhaps others. I wonder if pipe tobaccos will also have restrictions other than the one(s) already in place.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Thanks Obama.
BuckyB93 Offline
#7 Posted:
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MA is proud to have led the way on this front. They even beat CA in outlawing the sale of flavored tobacco.

In other news, NH businesses thank MA:

"Cigarette smokers and flavored tobacco scavengers from Massachusetts produced a surge of New Hampshire tobacco tax revenue that almost single-handedly prevented a business tax increase, preliminary, unaudited state figures suggest."

https://jbartlett.org/2020/07/smokers-mass-lawmakers-may-have-saved-n-h-businesses-from-tax-hike/
tonygraz Offline
#8 Posted:
Joined: 08-11-2008
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Yes, he's coming to get your flavored White Owls.
deadeyedick Offline
#9 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Yes, he's coming to get your flavored White Owls.


I thought White Owls were a protected species and racist.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted:
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racists are no longer a protected species
LeeBot Offline
#11 Posted:
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I always wondered about all those people buying sour apple and grape flavored cigars down at the store. Wondered if they actually smoke that chit or if they're just going to roll blunts with them. If so, it's a lot of blunts. Those cigars way outsell premium cigars.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,301
Joe the "Loosey PoPo" is grabbin' all the Newports...The Kenyan King musta already sent in Salinger to get his fill!

https://youtu.be/kMFJBd40Awo
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted:
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How are they not a protected species when they’re in charge?
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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racists or menthols?
Sunoverbeach Offline
#15 Posted:
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Would they consider banning flavorless cigars?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Would they consider banning flavorless cigars?



Rocky would be shaking in his zip up boots.
CheapPrick Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 11-25-2019
Posts: 535
Every time the Gvnmt prohibits something, it always has an equal and opposite detrimental effect.
I wonder if they do it on purpose....?

Prohibit alcohol and people make it at home and go blind.

Prohibit marijuana and kids snort freon

Prohibit cocaine and people snort meth

Where does it end? .. Where. Does. It. End...?

Leave My Bad Habits Alone!
Smooth light Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 06-26-2020
Posts: 3,598
When gov. Prohibit's gov.
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Posts: 28,754
who'll protect us from each other then?
ZRX1200 Offline
#20 Posted:
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Posts: 60,476
Well the Supreme Court saw fit to decide civil servants have no obligation to keep citizens safe so....as always you are in charge of your own safety. Now it’s just a matter of what degree the crown allows you to do so, should you decide to comply.
LeeBot Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2020
Posts: 1,919
CheapPrick wrote:
Every time the Gvnmt prohibits something, it always has an equal and opposite detrimental effect.
I wonder if they do it on purpose....?

Prohibit alcohol and people make it at home and go blind.

Prohibit marijuana and kids snort freon

Prohibit cocaine and people snort meth

Where does it end? .. Where. Does. It. End...?

Leave My Bad Habits Alone!




Government added those chemicals. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-u-s-government-poisoned-some-alcohol-during-prohibition/3283701001/


Don't besmirch my grandfather's homemade hooch.

delta1 Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,754
dose bassturds...
borndead1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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Posts: 5,215
tonygraz wrote:
Yes, he's coming to get your flavored White Owls.



When they came for the flavored White Owls, I said nothing, because I wasn't a blunt smoker.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 01-10-2012
Posts: 13,954
So apparently this issue is far more divisive along far different lines than most would think...

Wiz Khalifa? Staunchly in favor of the ban... strong anti-blunt marijuana smoker who doesn't hide his disdain for tobacco use...

NAACP? Staunchly against this racist law that will give white people more excuses to call the police on black men...
danmdevries Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 02-11-2014
Posts: 17,124
tonygraz wrote:
There are already some small cigars that CBID will not ship to some states - CT, ME and perhaps others. I wonder if pipe tobaccos will also have restrictions other than the one(s) already in place.


They likely will, as there's a lot of "pipe tobacco" out there that is clearly just cigarette tobacco for DIY'ers. Pipe market's got no money to fight anything, it'll just die off.
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted:
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“ In short, we don’t know much about FDA’s plans and it could be some time—almost certainly next year—before we have the specifics of what the agency intends on doing, although those intentions will then be subject to change. Based on today’s announcement, it will be many years before any actual bans of menthol cigarettes and/or flavored cigars take effect.”
Metroulas Offline
#27 Posted:
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outrageous! wait...I don't really care cuz I don't smoke flavored cigars
midmofan Offline
#28 Posted:
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Posts: 1,108
Note that even the "Premium Cigar Rescue" bill that has been submitted leaves out any cigar with any "flavor additive." That could be a pretty broad target. Yeah, I don't smoke what most of us around here call flavored cigars, but what about all the barrel-aged smokes? The ones exposed to wine and brandy fumes? The fire-cured cigars? "flavor additive" could be a dangerous foothold for the regulators, new legislation or no.


"According to the new House bill, a traditional large and premium cigar is defined as any roll of tobacco that is wrapped in 100 percent leaf tobacco, bunched with 100 percent tobacco filler, contains no filter, tip, flavor additive or nontobacco mouthpiece and weighs at least six pounds per 1,000 count. The bill also specifies that a large or premium cigar must be hand rolled with 100 percent leaf tobacco binder."

"There is a provision, however, allowing for some machine-made cigars produced in the U.S. to evade FDA regulation, so long as a pure tobacco-leaf wrapper is hand-applied before the cigar enters a bunching-capping machine. Little cigars are excluded from this provision, but J.C. Newman makes larger cigars that qualify in its 126-year-old factory in Tampa. Those cigars differ greatly from the billions of mass-produced smokes made on high-tech, automated machinery such as Swisher Sweets, Backwoods and Black & Mild, which the bill would not exempt."

-First they came after the While Owl Grapes, but I did not speak out, as I did not smoke White Owls
-Next they came after the Kuba-Kuba's, but I did not speak out, as I did not smoke Kuba-Kuba's
-Then they came after the sweetened-tipped La Glorias, and I gave the Feds a high-five!
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