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Board votes to ban critical race theory
Gov. DeSantis leads push against teachings in state’s public schools

Orlando Sentinel

Florida adopted a new rule Thursday to prevent public schools from teaching critical race theory, a push led by Gov. Ron DeSantis as a way to prevent history that would “denigrate the Founding Fathers” from being taught in state classrooms.
DeSantis, following a national conservative playbook, said he wanted to prevent instructors from “teaching kids to hate their country.”

But critics of the rule, and many of the speakers at the Jacksonville meeting, said DeSantis and his GOP backers are trying to prevent schools from addressing racism and its effect on America and from teaching history that doesn’t focus only on white people.

“It’s an effort to white-wash, cover-up and candy coat history,” said Ben Frazier, president of the Northside Coalition of Jacksonville. “Allow teachers to speak the truth.”


The governor, speaking via a video connection, told the State Board of Education that he does not want to stop children from learning about slavery or the civil rights movement, only to make sure they don’t hear “narratives that are not grounded in facts.” He wants to prevent, he has said, students from learning a “false history,” where they “look back and denigrate the Founding Fathers, denigrate the American Revolution.”

In his short address, he offered no instances where Florida teachers had offered inaccurate history lessons but cited problems in schools in Arizona and New York.

The board voted on the rule after hearing from the governor and more than 30 speakers. Florida is among more than a dozen Republican-led states seeking this year to ban critical race theory from its schools.

Critical race theory, initially a legal framework that examined how racism impacted the country’s institutions, is not a topic taught in Florida’s public schools, nor was it mentioned explicitly in the initial proposed rule, though DeSantis said it would block its teaching.

Critics of the theory often use the term as a broad catch-all for what they view as troubling diversity and anti-racism programs in schools, efforts to make the books children read in class reflect the backgrounds of a diverse group of students and historical lessons they see as divisive and anti-American.

Board member Tom Grady proposed amending the rule to add the phrase critical race theory, saying teachers cannot “distort” history nor rely on materials like The New York Times’ 1619 Project, which sought to “reframe” American history by putting slavery “at the very center of our national narrative.” The project faced fierce criticism from former President Donald Trump and some historians.

The amended version of the rule was adopted unanimously. It applies to the state’s traditional public schools but not charter schools — public schools run by private groups — as by law charters are exempt from Florida’s rules related to required instruction.

Jacob Oliva, the chancellor for K-12 education at the Florida Department of Education, said the rule would make sure teachers follow state academic standards and do not “go rogue” in their classrooms.

But critics said it was an effort to keep students from learning an unvarnished version of American history.
“We will not allow you to call our history fake news because you can’t handle the truth,” a man from Osceola County told the board. “Black history is American history.”

DeSantis’ push for the new rule, in the view of critics, is a backlash, in part, against the protests for racial equality that roiled the country after the death of George Floyd last year and some school districts’ efforts to take a critical look at their own policies.

“Teaching the facts will bring the country together, not divide the country,” said Wells Todd of the Jacksonville Progressive Coalition, noting that while DeSantis mentioned slavery and civil rights in his address he did not acknowledge reconstruction, lynching and segregation, all of which should be taught.

“Students deserve the best education we can provide, and that means giving them a true picture of their world and our shared history as Americans. Hiding facts doesn’t change them,” said Andrew Spar, president of Florida’s teachers’ union, in a statement, issued Tuesday.


The Florida Education Association called the proposed rule insulting to teachers as well, because it says they cannot “indoctrinate” students, which Spar and others said doesn’t happen.

But supporters of the new rule said critical race theory was divisive and harmful.

“We all know it’s a Marxist tactic to divide our country by class and by race,” Bennett Brown, of the Florida Family Policy Council, told the board.

Quisha King of Moms for Liberty in Jacksonville called it an effort to make white children feel they are oppressors and everyone else that they are victims.

“Telling my child that they are in a permanent oppressed status is racist,” King said.

“Don’t let schools teach kids to be ashamed for their race,” reads the website of the Florida Citizens Alliance, a conservative group that has urged DeSantis to root out critical race theory and “its many tentacles” from the state’s schools.

The seven state board members who voted on the Florida rule were appointed by DeSantis or by former Gov. Rick Scott, a fellow Republican now serving as one of Florida’s U.S. Senators, so their approval was not surprising.

On May 27, Scott introduced a Senate resolution that criticizes critical race theory and says “efforts to indoctrinate” the subject into schools “are designed to eventually transform the United States by stigmatizing its economic system and creating a hatred of all its institutions.”

The new Florida rule says teachers may not “share their personal views or attempt to indoctrinate or persuade students to a particular point of view that is inconsistent” with state standards.

It also says that, “Instruction on the required topics must be factual and objective, and may not suppress or distort significant historical events, such as the Holocaust, slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction, the civil rights movement and the contributions of women, African American and Hispanic people to our country .

Examples of theories that distort historical events and are inconsistent with State Board approved standards include the denial or minimization of the Holocaust, and the teaching of Critical Race Theory, meaning the theory that racism is not merely the product of prejudice, but that racism is embedded in American society and its legal systems in order to uphold the supremacy of white persons. Instruction may not utilize material from the 1619 Project and may not define American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.”

Gregory Sampson, a high school math teacher in Jacksonville, thinks DeSantis, considered a potential presidential candidate for the 2024 election, is using critical race theory to score political points with Trump’s base.

“I don’t think the governor and his fellow Republicans really understand what critical race theory does,” he said in an interview. “It’s not a criticism. It’s a critique, a way of looking at how history has unfolded.”

And it means recognizing racism. “It’s there. You can’t deny it,” said Sampson, who writes about education on his Grumpy Old Teacher blog. But he thinks DeSantis wants to return to a time when race wasn’t mentioned.

“That’s how it was in the old days, the days of segregation, Jim Crow, and unchallenged White Supremacy,” he wrote in a recent blog post.

DeSantis also has pushed for a rewrite of the state’s civics standards, the benchmarks for what students learn in social studies classes kindergarten through 12th grade. That effort has also proved controversial as he also wants those lessons to focus on “the success of the United States.”

The state board could vote on the new civic benchmarks on July 14.
RayR Offline
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A strike against the Cultural Revolution in America. So sad. Boo hoo!
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He is just following the communist play book of suppressing the Truth, creating Fear, and sending Dissidents to the gulag.
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Stalin would be proud.
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Funny, this is only happening in states that also are gung-ho about voting rights suppression. Southern/Republican states.
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Speyside wrote:
Funny, this is only happening in states that also are gung-ho about voting rights suppression. Southern/Republican states.

Yep.
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Speyside wrote:
Funny, this is only happening in states that also are gung-ho about voting rights suppression. Southern/Republican states.


"voting rights suppression"? I thought the code was to call it "Jim Crow 2.0". That's much more likely to invoke an emotional response in the simple leftist prole mind.
Anyhow, I guess those backward Southern/Republican states are just not happy with being part of the Marxist Cultural Revolution.
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Sorry, but I'm 100% against teaching CRT in any K-12 public school. You want to take the class at a University fine, but it shouldn't be required even then. Once you start looking at everything through the lens of racism then guess what, everything is racist. Once we start teaching kids that everything is racist how are they supposed to move past it? The sins of the father become the sins of the son and everyone is bitter. The left has gone off the rails with this stuff. They want to teach CRT in schools and at the same time claim voter ID laws are racist. As if black people don't know how to get an ID. or don't have access to getting an ID. Stop any black person on the street and ask if they couldn't get an ID because they are black and you'll get looked at like you're an idiot at best.

CRT has no set definition either. It's whatever someone, who is not white, says it is. This is just one broad definition.

Source - https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

"In their work Critical Race Theory: An Introduction, first published in 2001, the legal scholars Richard Delgado (one of the founders of CRT) and Jean Stefancic discuss several general propositions that they claim would be accepted by many critical race theorists, despite the considerable variation of belief among members of the movement. These “basic tenets” of CRT, according to the authors, include the following claims: (1) Race is socially constructed, not biologically natural. (2) Racism in the United States is normal, not aberrational: it is the common, ordinary experience of most people of colour. (3) Owing to what critical race theorists call “interest convergence” or “material determinism,” legal advances (or setbacks) for people of colour tend to serve the interests of dominant white groups. Thus, the racial hierarchy that characterizes American society may be unaffected or even reinforced by ostensible improvements in the legal status of oppressed or exploited people. (4) Members of minority groups periodically undergo “differential racialization,” or the attribution to them of varying sets of negative stereotypes, again depending on the needs or interests of whites. (5) According to the thesis of “intersectionality” or “antiessentialism,” no individual can be adequately identified by membership in a single group. An African American person, for example, may also identify as a woman, a lesbian, a feminist, a Christian, and so on. Finally, (6) the “voice of colour” thesis holds that people of colour are uniquely qualified to speak on behalf of other members of their group (or groups) regarding the forms and effects of racism. This consensus has led to the growth of the “legal story telling” movement, which argues that the self-expressed views of victims of racism and other forms of oppression provide essential insight into the nature of the legal system."

^Even if things got better it's still bad. How does this produce anything but kids who believe any setback they run into in life is due to racism or any advancement they make is due to privilege? "...judged by the content of their character." goes right out the window. I thought that's what we were aiming for? CRT is two steps backward.
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Those bsckward Southern/Republican states have Stalin culture fo sho.
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The only way they can win is make us run backwards... it's not who won the race, but did you finish it.🏃white, black,red, yellow🏃short,tall, skinny,plump🏃... NO CHEATING!!!
No head starts.

The prize is self fulfillment.
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Speyside wrote:
Stalin would be proud.



Stalin was on the extreme left... I think you know that. Frying pan When Trump was in office people on the left said "How can real Republicans/Conservatives let this happen to their party?". We expected them to police their own. The Democrats/Liberals should be doing the same thing. I'm a Liberal, I don't recognize my own party anymore. I realize this isn't all Liberals. But, "He who pays the piper calls the tune." In this case the piper is the Liberal media and I don't like this music. Before all you Conservatives get wood, I believe your party is in the same boat.
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Yup
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Glad I kept reading... thank you, Stephen.

Spey, if you're not familiar with CRT you should probably read up on it before spouting off because you don't like Desantis.

Whose more racist? Those wanting to require ALL voters present an ID or those who think minorities can't GET an ID? It's literally needed for everything. Driving. Prescriptions. Banking. Even *gasp* Gov't assistance.
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MACS wrote:
Glad I kept reading... thank you, Stephen.

Spey, if you're not familiar with CRT you should probably read up on it before spouting off because you don't like Desantis.

Whose more racist? Those wanting to require ALL voters present an ID or those who think minorities can't GET an ID? It's literally needed for everything. Driving. Prescriptions. Banking. Even *gasp* Gov't assistance.


Spey ain’t gonna read it. He’s got a bunch of racist white people running his foundation.
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I do not like Desantis or what he is doing. It is a terrible "solution in search of a problem."
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Yup
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rfenst wrote:
I do not like Desantis or what he is doing. It is a terrible "solution in search of a problem."



CRT is already a part of over 200 Universities curriculums across the U.S. and has trickled all the way down to public primary schools across the country. It's hardly a terrible "solution in search of a problem.". It goes far beyond teaching historical fact, it's identity politics being taught to kids who aren't even teenagers. The article linked below is about a 3rd grade class. They're 8 year olds. This is just one story from one school. It's happening across the country. These aren't privileged white people complaining, this school and neighberhood is predominantly Asian American.

..."with one parent of Chinese background comparing the teacher’s lesson to the communist Cultural Revolution they were forced to study as children."

Source - NBC Affiliate - https://www.kxan36news.com/parents-shocked-after-california-elementary-school-children-taught-about-hierarchy-of-privilege-critical-race-theory-media

An elementary school in Cupertino, California—a Silicon Valley community with a median home price of $2.3 million—recently forced a class of third-graders to deconstruct their racial identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.”

Based on whistleblower documents and parents familiar with the session, a third-grade teacher at R.I. Meyerholz Elementary School began the lesson on “social identities” during a math class. The teacher asked all students to create an “identity map,” listing their race, class, gender, religion, family structure, and other characteristics. The teacher explained that the students live in a “dominant culture” of “white, middle class, cisgender, educated, able-bodied, Christian, English speaker[s],” who, according to the lesson, “created and maintained” this culture in order “to hold power and stay in power.”
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Like that's any worse than being proud of a school being named Robert E Lee and black kids have to walk under that name every day, or Jefferson Davis? Yeah man that's Southern pride, not racist. Go on livin your dream MACS, we have taught Critical Race Theory for oh since the beginning of our country. Just a different type. Oh and you're an idiot to assume I haven't read it in detail.

Everything DeSantis said is worth disparaging.

As far as your last paragraph, it isn't worth commenting on it is so dumb.

I guess I'm just not as afraid as most of you are.
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Now get all pissy and biotchy. You light me up all the time with little reason. Now I just gave you reason.
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I think a fed law should change all schools named after confederate leaders to “The Blessed General William Tecumseh Sherman“ school.

And states should be forced to enforce that.
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You're all over the map, searching for affirmation... and I'm an idiot?

Spey... you're off your meds, dude. Either start taking them again, or find a big giant dildoe and go fuck yourself.
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That’s hawt
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Pictures or it didn’t happen.
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Cupertino is a nice place. Best known as HQ for Apple. Many of those little racist kids prolly have parents who work at Apple.
teedubbya Offline
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In fairness I think Spey was talking to Celtic but could be wrong. Maybe MACS needs another dill doe
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Speyside wrote:
Funny, this is only happening in states that also are gung-ho about voting rights suppression. Southern/Republican states.


How do the new or proposed voting laws suppress anyone?
I've read from people who believe it's so, but I've yet to read how it actually does.

Enlighten us.
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MACS wrote:
Glad I kept reading... thank you, Stephen.

Spey, if you're not familiar with CRT you should probably read up on it before spouting off because you don't like Desantis.

Whose more racist? Those wanting to require ALL voters present an ID or those who think minorities can't GET an ID? It's literally needed for everything. Driving. Prescriptions. Banking. Even *gasp* Gov't assistance.


No habla ingles.
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What lap are we on in this race🏃🏃
Or is this a triathlon, do we switch to 🚲🚲 now? Guess we swim last, to wash all the sh*t off 🏊🏊.
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That horrible Desantis sticking a monkey wrench in the Marxist Cultural Revolution.
Doesn't he know the left needs to take over all skooling, from the universities all the way down to the little tikes pre-school so it can mold the perfect obedient citizen to serve the state? That's the commie/fascist road to Utopia. Like a famous leftist dicktator once said, "Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State"
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I'm sure you've all been waiting for my opinion... (lol right)... so here it is....


There's a new dawn.... if you're going to sit there and cry and piss and moan about how whitey holding you down in this day in age... well, there's a niche for that. You can make money at even that!!! Turn that whiney azz sh*t into a career!

As far as teaching it in public schools... f*ck that, kids are f*cked in the head anyway, they don't need that wrench thrown in there. Little sociopathic monsters, that's all they need is to be "given" identities to sh*t on each other for.

Seriously... kids are f*cking ruthless, I know, I was one.
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Classy as ever MACS. I would say the same to you butt a big giant **** would slip out of your's since the right wing entertainment sources you used **** you so much.

I would rather have CRT than the lies that have been told for centuries. Only a racist bigot like you would prefer to tell people of color everything is great and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. CRT goes to far what I really would rather have is the truth.

Now go ahead and tell me 10 of 20 times how smart you are and how dumb I am. Also you should brag about having a bachalors in criminology. You are dumb as a rock.

Now go do whatever it is you do you worthless fool.
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Speyside personality #234 documented.


Time to full on charlie barr: 3.243 weeks
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Spey is getting out of hand, I mean promoting cultural marxism is one thing but saying MACS has a big giant butt is the final straw.
I proclaim this day as Gang Up On Spey Day!
bgz Offline
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Well, you never been on the vherf... he does have a big azz.
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Calls me an idiot, questions my intelligence then when I respond in kind... I'M the "classy" one. Re-read the thread and you tell me where it went off the rails. Nevermind... I just checked my GAF meter and it's pegged at ZERO.

I'll have you know my ass is svelte as evah! I'm clocking in at 180 lbs again! Ran 4.11 miles this morning and my knees are reminding me why I have been using low impact machines.
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He didn't tell you he's only 5' 2"
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Spey has swung so far to the left he landed on neocon. He even hates Robert E Lee, one of the greatest Americans ever.

Booker T. Washington, America’s great African-American educator, wrote in 1908:
“The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Even the horrible FDR recognized Lee's greatness:
In 1936, President Franklin D. Roosevelt dedicated the Robert E. Lee monument in Dallas, Texas stating:
“I am very happy to take part in this unveiling of the statue of General Robert E. Lee.
All over the United States we recognize him as a great leader of men, as a great general. But, also, all over the United States I believe that we recognize him as something much more important than that. We recognize Robert E. Lee as one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.”

Sir Winston Churchill said of Robert E. Lee:
“Lee was the noblest American who had ever lived and one of the greatest commanders known to the annals of war.”

Another horrible President to be, Harry Truman held Lee in the highest regard presenting his mother with a small portrait of Lee when he returned from service in WWI. She kept it by her bedside until her death. Truman would eventually visit Lee’s statue at Gettysburg and he wrote to his daughter about Lee being a “great man.”

President Dwight D. Eisenhower had portraits of four great Americans in the Oval Office, one of which was Robert E. Lee.

When some dunb azz, who considered Lee a traitor, asked the President how he could hold Lee in such high regard, Eisenhower responded eloquently and truthfully:

“General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.”

John F. Kennedy openly expressed admiration for Lee when he stated:

“As a New Englander, I recognize that the South is still the land of Washington, who made our Nation – of Jefferson, who shaped its direction – and of Robert E. Lee who, after gallant failure, urged those who had followed him in bravery to reunite America in purpose and courage.”

Praise for this great man go on and on...except for dimwits who call him a traitor. Traitor to what?



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MACS wrote:
I just checked my GAF meter and it's pegged at ZERO.


It’s prolly the Fetzer Valve. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.


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Glad to hear you at your health goal. It went of the rails when you told me to read about something I have studied. You are smug in your idiocy. Keep on keeping on. Expect that when you call me out and are 100% wrong I will reply in kind. Your BS is unacceptable to me. Also quit being so insecure or jealous of what I do. I don't brag, I have just decided not to hide who and what I am. Maybe I will tire of posting here, but the chain of fools is fun to mess with, especially when I am correct.
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Uh... it's getting better... slightly. Needs more cowbell.
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Robert E Lee was a traitor. No more no less. He was a superb military mind. Honoring is absurd. If the confederacy had won then it would absolutly make sense for them to honor him. I hear the south will ceed in August and they will reinstate Trump as their president.
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Yeah, that isn't the correct word and I do not care.
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All I know is that General Lee sure did help them Duke boys out of a lot of jams
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I seen Daisy's boobs once... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I seen Cooter's boobs once... Mellow






Freak
MACS Offline
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I briefly started to wonder how I was insecure or jealous of what Spey does... then it hit me... I don't GAF and he's batshit crazy. LOL
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I seen yo momma's cooter once...BARF!
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Speyside wrote:
Yeah, that isn't the correct word and I do not care.


Secede is the word you were looking for, Your Excellence! Apologies from the lowly idiot for correcting your vocabulary, sir.
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CRT is racist communist propaganda so Im not shocked the racist charity leader is all for it.

CRT is a product of the 1619 project which is an anti Trump pedo group……I wouldn’t be so quick to tie my pony to that post bro.

Unless…… Mellow

BGZ nailed it back in #32 though.
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Speyside wrote:
Robert E Lee was a traitor. No more no less. He was a superb military mind. Honoring is absurd. If the confederacy had won then it would absolutly make sense for them to honor him. I hear the south will ceed in August and they will reinstate Trump as their president.


Traitor to who, what, where, when?
Like the 13 colonies were traitors to England for seceding? That's what King George said.
Jefferson wrote that thing you know about declaring independence, maybe you've heard of it you Tory battard!
The South didn't need to write one since Jefferson spelled out the American right of self-determination just fine.
Lee was loyal to his sovereign home, Virginia, as an honorable man, he chose to fight the Northern invading insurrectionists.
Did anybody ask their Dicktator O'Biden if it was OK to have a BBQ on July 4th?Anxious

Do you have to win to be honored? You're weird.

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