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FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine
frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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warp speed=no lawsuits.

gotta pick a side already...Trump gets credit or what?
MACS Offline
#52 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
warp speed=no lawsuits.

gotta pick a side already...Trump gets credit or what?


Hey, in my defense Trump has told me to get the vaccine... among other repugnants... and I still ain't gon' do it.
rfenst Offline
#53 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
warp speed=no lawsuits.

gotta pick a side already...Trump gets credit or what?

Yes. Trump gets full credit for making the vaccine.

They all still could have set-up a victim compensation fund or the like- if they really cared about the consequences of adverse reactions...

frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted:
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but will supporters turn on him if the vaccine proves dangerous?
rfenst Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
but will supporters turn on him if the vaccine proves dangerous?

I don't think anyone should blame him if the vaccine proves in the long-run to be unreasonably dangerous. He did what he could and had to.
MACS Offline
#56 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
but will supporters turn on him if the vaccine proves dangerous?


Nope... cause I wasn't fool enough to inject it yet.
rfenst Offline
#57 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Nope... cause I wasn't fool enough to inject it yet.

Is that a tiny, tiny crack in the proverbial dam? Like it could happen one day?
MACS Offline
#58 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Is that a tiny, tiny crack in the proverbial dam? Like it could happen one day?


Absolutely, Robert. I'm ugly, I ain't stupid.

Long term effects of this vaccine are 100% unknown right now. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you. The virus came about in late 2019 (as far as we know). The vaccine itself is less than a year old and human trials are ongoing in the 190 million Americans Brewha loves to tell us took the shot.

New virus. New Vaccine. I give exactly zero sh*ts how many decades mRNA technology has been around. That tech has barely been tested on humans. This particular vaccine with that particular technology has never undergone clinical trials enough to determine, even remotely, long term effects. I challenge anyone to dispute those FACTS.

New virus, new vax... you people who took it are guinea pigs. In 5-15 years we're going to have sufficient data to determine if it's safe.

Did you know the vast majority of drugs/vaccines take 10-15 years to get FDA approval? And look at the list of side effects, including death, that they spout in their disclaimers. You're a personal injury attorney. You should be 100% familiar with this. These are drugs/vaccines that have met with FDA approval!!

Yessir. Count me as a "wait and see". But I may, eventually, get the shot... if it makes sense to me. Right now? Nope.
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
Absolutely, Robert. I'm ugly, I ain't stupid.

Long term effects of this vaccine are 100% unknown right now. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you. The virus came about in late 2019 (as far as we know). The vaccine itself is less than a year old and human trials are ongoing in the 190 million Americans Brewha loves to tell us took the shot.

New virus. New Vaccine. I give exactly zero sh*ts how many decades mRNA technology has been around. That tech has barely been tested on humans. This particular vaccine with that particular technology has never undergone clinical trials enough to determine, even remotely, long term effects. I challenge anyone to dispute those FACTS.

New virus, new vax... you people who took it are guinea pigs. In 5-15 years we're going to have sufficient data to determine if it's safe.

Did you know the vast majority of drugs/vaccines take 10-15 years to get FDA approval? And look at the list of side effects, including death, that they spout in their disclaimers. You're a personal injury attorney. You should be 100% familiar with this. These are drugs/vaccines that have met with FDA approval!!

Yessir. Count me as a "wait and see". But I may, eventually, get the shot... if it makes sense to me. Right now? Nope.

Every single thing is true. Yet we come to polar opposite conclusions...
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Yes. Trump gets full credit for making the vaccine.

They all still could have set-up a victim compensation fund or the like- if they really cared about the consequences of adverse reactions...


agree.
MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Every single thing is true. Yet we come to polar opposite conclusions...


The question is why? (spoiler... people bought into the fear mongering and the gov't started their authoritarian BS... yes, under Trump)

Even the WHO is saying the infection fatality rate is .6 percent. The college of London did a study saying the IFR was 1.15%.

So you have a 99% chance of surviving. Why risk it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6RHlz9hXAs

They say the "long term implications" of covid are not very well understood... DUH, it's a new virus! But the long term effects of the vaccine are not very well understood, either... it's NEWER than the virus!
rfenst Offline
#62 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
The question is why? (spoiler... people bought into the fear mongering and the gov't started their authoritarian BS... yes, under Trump)

Even the WHO is saying the infection fatality rate is .6 percent. The college of London did a study saying the IFR was 1.15%.

So you have a 99% chance of surviving. Why risk it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6RHlz9hXAs

They say the "long term implications" of covid are not very well understood... DUH, it's a new virus! But the long term effects of the vaccine are not very well understood, either... it's NEWER than the virus!

Why?
Genetics is the only reason I can think of.
tonygraz Offline
#63 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
...

And you shouldn't be talking... you were drunker than I was Saturday! LOL


If I didn't fall down, I wasn't drunker than you. Maybe I had trouble with correlation, but I could still spell racist.
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted:
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death from the virus is far from the only horror to consider.
rfenst Offline
#65 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
death from the virus is far from the only horror to consider.

Go figure!!!
Brewha Offline
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CamoRoon wrote:
The difference is if aspirin makes you grow a third ear or causes your immune system to fail, you can sue the manufacturer. I'd be inclined to consider it safe when the manufacturer stands behind their product. Sure I know that was part of the agreement to make the vaccine in a very fast manner. That said the vaccine is not to the same standard as prior approved drugs.

So you don’t know about tort reform?
Brewha Offline
#67 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
The question is why? (spoiler... people bought into the fear mongering and the gov't started their authoritarian BS... yes, under Trump)

Even the WHO is saying the infection fatality rate is .6 percent. The college of London did a study saying the IFR was 1.15%.

So you have a 99% chance of surviving. Why risk it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6RHlz9hXAs

They say the "long term implications" of covid are not very well understood... DUH, it's a new virus! But the long term effects of the vaccine are not very well understood, either... it's NEWER than the virus!

Is it fair to say you are “afraid” to take the vaccine?

Should others be afraid too?
rfenst Offline
#68 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So you don’t know about tort reform?

This was a big step down the slippery slope.
tonygraz Offline
#69 Posted:
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In the winter I would have to drive down a slippery slope some days to get the the
The American Museum of Tort Law, so I guess I would be better off taking the online tour: https://www.tortmuseum.org/online-tour/
HockeyDad Offline
#70 Posted:
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I sure could go for a torta right about now.
teedubbya Offline
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I'm staying out of these conversations for the most part due to the huge amounts of misinformation some folks present as fact or bits of truth misinterpreted as fact by some that say they are basing their decisions on personal experience yet seem to be quoting parts of studies and rates etc. Seems to me those are coming from some other sources than every day life experiences and require a certain skill set rather than regurgitating a filtered view of them (which originate somewhere and are intentional) but none the less.....

As for not disclosing warnings, the fact you don't see or look for them does not mean they are not disclosed. It's all out there. Always has been. It's part of the process.

One part of the puzzle.... and only one (the other vaccines have their own disclosures).... there is no conspiracy, there is no attempt to conceal.... if you start with that consider where you end

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=15623
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted:
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recently released... they weren't available when I asked last week... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
recently released... they weren't available when I asked last week... Not talking


Nonsense. But exactly my point as to why I intend to stay out of these conversations. Its the rule not the exception. Some simply seem to be driven to harp on misinformation. It's not logical, it's political or agenda driven. Projection maybe?

Chow. No really I'm hungry. But also done with the thread. Echo chamber resume.
tonygraz Offline
#74 Posted:
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10.6% chance of swelling at the injection site really caught TW's attention.
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted:
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Jade's momma is an injection site.... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#76 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
10.6% chance of swelling at the injection site really caught TW's attention.

shoulda asked for a penile injection
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted:
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Poop Jade’s mamma
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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Poor. But poop works too lol
RayR Offline
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This is interesting and concerning as it comes from Dr. Igor Shepherd, a former military doctor in the Soviet Army who moved to America in 1993. He doesn't fit into the mold of a Democratic Party apparatchik for sure since he is rabidly anti-communist. He was a medical doctor/manager for Wyoming’s State Public Health Department/Preparedness Unit, and was on the Covid response team until he resigned this year.

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Should we believe our leaders when they insist these “secretly-patented” mRNA vaccines are safe, even after knowingly receiving reports that the Covid-19 vaccinations resulted in injuries and deaths caused by blood coagulation, pathological thrombus formation, Bell’s Palsy, cardiac disorders, heart inflammation, neurological mayhem, paralysis, Guillain-Barre’s Syndrome, and numerous miscarriages? The creators of the Covid-19 vaccines expect numerous injuries and fatalities ahead. You cannot mess with this type of bio-technology and be “clueless” regarding end results. This is why the pharmaceutical giants made sure they would be free of legal ramifications for harmful effects and deaths.



Read the whole article here...

mRNA Vaccines: The Silent Weapon

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/08/no_author/mrna-vaccines-the-silent-weapon/
MACS Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Is it fair to say you are “afraid” to take the vaccine?

Should others be afraid too?


Afraid? No, I wouldn't say that. Apprehensive would be a better term.

Just because you were comfortable taking it doesn't mean I have to be. My body my choice, right?
tonygraz Offline
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That's what Typhoid Mary used to say.
drglnc Offline
#82 Posted:
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I so t foolin anyone, not even trying… just posted what was on the fda site.
frankj1 Offline
#83 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
That's what Typhoid Mary used to say.

unless she was pregnant!
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"Don’t think of it as a vaccine,"
"Think of it – at best – as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS."

Twitter just permanently banned Alex Berenson for the above, completely accurate, post.

We are in a new age of censorship & suppression that China & corrupt oligarchies can be proud of if not envious.

You can find Alex on Substack.
Brewha Offline
#85 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Afraid? No, I wouldn't say that. Apprehensive would be a better term.

Just because you were comfortable taking it doesn't mean I have to be. My body my choice, right?

Liar
MACS Offline
#86 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Liar

Full of crap
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
"Don’t think of it as a vaccine,"
"Think of it – at best – as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS."

Twitter just permanently banned Alex Berenson for the above, completely accurate, post.

We are in a new age of censorship & suppression that China & corrupt oligarchies can be proud of if not envious.

You can find Alex on Substack.


My arm hurt a little, but I think it was just cause the b*tch jabbed me too hard.
Brewha Offline
#88 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
My arm hurt a little, but I think it was just cause the b*tch jabbed me too hard.

Come on, you dug it…..
Smooth light Offline
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Told her to use a NINE inch nail🤣
MACS Offline
#90 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Yes. Get your vaccine that doesn't actually stop you from getting covid... or transmitting it.

So I guess it's more like a therapeutic, then. You can still get it, you can still transmit it... but maybe the covid won't kill you. You know... it betters your survival chance from 98.85% up to... what... 99%?

So lets make fun of dead people, yeah!


Tell me again, Brewha... why is it imperative that we all get vaccinated?

"Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease. Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation."

If this is a vaccine... why doesn't it work like one? If you're worried about spreading it to vulnerable people... you still can after the shot. Sooooo... uhhhhhh... what's the point?
BuckyB93 Offline
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It's your patriotic duty. Haven't you seen the commercials?

Plus, if you don't and you catch it. You'll die along with everyone else that has come within 6 feet of you. Except if you're at Walmart, a baseball game, a football game, a political fund raiser, a birthday party for some high profile celeb...
MACS Offline
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My hope is that eventually the people screaming for mandates will see the fault in their "logic".

I'm not holding my breath.
bgz Offline
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I'm all for not making anyone do anything they don't want to do.

But I'm also all for being able to call you all a bunch of p*ssies.

:)
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
I'm all for not making anyone do anything they don't want to do.

But I'm also all for being able to call you all a bunch of p*ssies.

:)


Free speech is your right no matter what authoritarian progtards say.

frankj1 Offline
#95 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
My hope is that eventually the people screaming for mandates will see the fault in their "logic".

I'm not holding my breath.

mandates are a larger potential threat than any particular challenge facing us, regardless of the party residing in the White Hut.

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frankj1 wrote:
mandates are a larger potential threat than any particular challenge facing us, regardless of the party residing in the White Hut.



+100

(We should still try to make MACS hold his breath though, Vherf challenge to see how long it takes for him to pass out).
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frankj1 wrote:
mandates are a larger potential threat than any particular challenge facing us, regardless of the party residing in the White Hut.




Mandating vaccines DURING a pandemic? Isn't that setting up variants? You're targeting one particle and training the human body to resist/cure/withstand it and making it resistant while the OG is out and about doing what viruses do...mutate!

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night...so...Whistle
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
So you don’t know about tort reform?


Here is another type of tort reform- not bankrupting the allegedly guilty party...


Purdue Pharma’s Multi-Billion Dollar Settlement Is Approved

The Hill

Federal judge approves bankruptcy settlement for Purdue Pharma

A federal judge on Wednesday approved a controversial bankruptcy settlement for OxyContin manufacturer Purdue Pharma that would shield the members of the Sackler family who own the company from future opioid-related claims.

Judge Robert Drain signed off on the settlement plan during a six-hour bench ruling, setting the stage for the dissolution of the company. Its assets would be transferred to a new firm owned by a trust and run to combat the opioid crisis.

"I wish the plan had provided for more, but I will not jeopardize what the plan does provide," Drain said.

The settlement money from the deal would go to government entities, which have agreed to use it to address the opioid crisis, along with individual victims and their families.

Purdue, the maker of OxyContin, filed for bankruptcy in 2019 in an attempt to settle about 3,000 lawsuits from states, tribes and other local entities related to the company's aggressive opioid marketing that they argue contributed to the opioid crisis that has killed nearly 500,000 people over the past 20 years.

The settlement plan would permanently shield members of the Sackler family and hundreds of their associates from future opioid lawsuits.

They would admit no wrongdoing and would retain much of the fortune they made from Purdue. In return, they would give up ownership of the company and pay more than $4 billion in cash and charitable assets in installments over the course of nine years.

The Sacklers themselves are not the subject of the bankruptcy proceedings.

In a statement, members of the family of the late Mortimer Sackler, a board member and co-owner of the company, said they hope the resolution "will signal the beginning of a far-reaching effort to deliver assistance where it is most needed."

They disputed "allegations that have been made about our family," but apologized "for the suffering and loss people have experienced and recognize the anger or hurt that many people have felt alongside their grief."

Steve Miller, chairman of Purdue’s board of directors, praised the decision, noting it was approved by 95 percent of the company's creditors.

“Instead of years of value-destructive litigation, including between and among creditors, this Plan ensures that billions of dollars will be devoted to helping people and communities who have been hurt by the opioid crisis," he said in a statement.

Drain said the case was the most complex he has ever faced, and also expressed frustration that much of the Sacklers' fortune was parked in offshore accounts.

"This is a bitter result. B-I-T-T-E-R," he spelled out. "It is incredibly frustrating that people can send their money offshore."

Critics point to the introduction of the painkiller OxyContin in the late 1990s, pushed by Purdue and the Sackler family members who were on the board, as one of the primary drivers of the opioid epidemic.

Drain repeatedly said that even though he felt the settlement should have been larger, it was negotiated fairly.

"While I wish this amount would be higher, the settlement itself fairly reflects the standards laid out in the Supreme Court. ... Clearly both it and the process in arriving at it has not been in any way shape or form a free ride for the Sacklers or allowed them to 'get away with it,'" Drain said.

Supporters of the settlement agreement argued it's important to get as much money flowing as quickly as possible. Almost every U.S. state agreed to support the deal.

Attorneys general for nine states and the District of Columbia opposed the deal, as did the Justice Department. They said it violates the constitutional rights of people with potential opioid claims because it improperly denies them the chance to sue the family directly.

Drain said he understands that the settlement is imperfect, especially because the Sacklers did not admit any wrongdoing. But he urged the attorneys who opposed the deal not to appeal.

“It would be a real service to millions, if not tens of millions, of people if the objecting states, or at least some subset of them, were able to resolve their differences with the Sacklers,” he said.

But immediately after the ruling, at least two parties that had objected to the plan said they would appeal; D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine and Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson.

“Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers misled physicians, pharmacists, patients, and the public,” Racine said in a statement. “They shouldn’t be allowed to walk away with billions in profits they made by exacerbating the opioid crisis that has destroyed families and communities across the District and the country. The court should reconsider this plan."\

And, the Saklers get to keep their billions!
HockeyDad Offline
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The War on Opioids Crisis is over!
rfenst Offline
#100 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
The War on Opioids Crisis is over!

Nope. Afghanistan's dope poppies will flood the market
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