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Desantis loses in court yet again...
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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Florida is F'd

Start the back hoes up and start digging mass Graves like they did on that island off of Manhattan last year...
The same thing happened in BRAZIL AND IN MANY OTHER THIRD WORLD **** HOLES ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

ITS GOING NOWHERE BUT UP UP UP for the Florida death toll...two vaccine shots...given away for freakin' FREE AT NO COST TO ANYONE ...and the morons didn't get them...
It's a DARWIN AWARD CEREMONY DREAMLAND...
THAT THERE FLOR-RIDDA IS...
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Florida is F'd

Start the back hoes up and start digging mass Graves like they did on that island off of Manhattan last year...
The same thing happened in BRAZIL AND IN MANY OTHER THIRD WORLD **** HOLES ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

ITS GOING NOWHERE BUT UP UP UP for the Florida death toll...two vaccine shots...given away for freakin' FREE AT NO COST TO ANYONE ...and the morons didn't get them...
It's a DARWIN AWARD CEREMONY DREAMLAND...
THAT THERE FLOR-RIDDA IS...

And, our rock-star governor was interfering with local school boards to make their own individual mask policies while this is going on.
MACS Offline
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All for that... let the schools decide. Then let the parents decide which schools their kids go to. School choice.
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted:
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got no problem with culling the herd as long as those who want to flirt with the virus keep to themselves...
MACS Offline
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delta1 wrote:
got no problem with culling the herd as long as those who want to flirt with the virus keep to themselves...


Those askeered of the virus should keep to themselves. You flew to Hawaii during all this, you damn super spreader!!

Poor, poor Conan... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted:
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I would have loved to have had a chance to spread some "tings" with Conan...
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
All for that... let the schools decide. Then let the parents decide which schools their kids go to. School choice.

Like separate masked and non-masked schools? All the kids at one school wear masks and all the kids at another school do not wear masks? Parents get to choose which type of school their children go to?
tonygraz Offline
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Didn't the Governor of Hawaii recently ask people not to come there for vacations now ?
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Didn't the Governor of Hawaii recently ask people not to come there for vacations now ?


That’s because Delta1 infected everyone.
tonygraz Offline
#10 Posted:
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No silly, that was the Delta variant - damn imposter.
RayR Offline
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MACS wrote:
All for that... let the schools decide. Then let the parents decide which schools their kids go to. School choice.


You want parents to interfere with local school board dicktates by pulling their kids out of their schools?
Great idea!
I hear homeschooling is growing at an unprecedented rate.
The Census Bureau has taken notice how COVID has spurred on this anti-state movement.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/03/homeschooling-on-the-rise-during-covid-19-pandemic.html

The progtard elite hates anything that replaces the state as parents with the kid's real parents.
They say this trend is dangerous to society!Scared
Brewha Offline
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MACS wrote:
Those askeered of the virus should keep to themselves. You flew to Hawaii during all this, you damn super spreader!!

Poor, poor Conan... Mellow

Dude, I thought you were the one scared to take the shot….
rfenst Offline
#13 Posted:
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War on school masking is a political hot potato
Stand against it could hurt DeSantis in 2022 election

Florida Sun Sentinel

... A Quinnipiac University Poll released last week found 98% of Florida Democrats support requiring students, teachers and staff to wear masks in schools. Just 24% of Florida Republicans support school mask mandates, and 72% are opposed....
HockeyDad Offline
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98% of Florida Democrats support government ordered mandates.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
98% of Florida Democrats support government ordered mandates.

You can read!
HockeyDad Offline
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In California our Democrats would certainly be over 99% in support of government mandates and we got way more Democrats!
izonfire Offline
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Hope you enjoyed your vacation Delta.
Poor poor Hawaii indeed.

RIP Conan…
RayR Offline
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I think 98%-99% of Democrats would support beating their children with a rubber hose if the government mandated it.
tonygraz Offline
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Hard to support a guy who mandates that there will be no mandates.
rfenst Offline
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Ask for proof of COVID vaccine, face a $5,000 fine

Associated Press/Orlando Sentinel

TALLAHASSEE — Florida will start issuing $5,000 fines to businesses, schools and government agencies that require customers or visitors to show proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill earlier this year that banned so-called vaccine passports. The fines will start Sept. 16 if people are asked to show proof of a vaccine. The law does not apply to employers that require vaccination of their staff.
“Promises made, promises kept,” DeSantis spokesperson Taryn Fenske said Wednesday.

The fines, however, will not be issued to cruise lines because of a federal court order that at least temporarily blocked enforcement of the law for that industry, according to an earlier statement from the governor’s office. DeSantis is appealing that decision.

“We believe the ruling will be overturned upon appeal, and we are confident in the legal basis for Florida’s vaccine passport ban,” press secretary Christina Pushaw said in an email to the Orlando Sentinel on Aug. 24.

Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, the state’s only statewide elected Democrat and a candidate hoping to challenge DeSantis for governor next year, was critical of the fines.

“Governor DeSantis is retaliating against Floridians who are trying to protect themselves and their communities from COVID-19,” Fried said in an emailed statement. “This not only goes against common sense — it’s also an insult to the free-market principles that he claims to champion.”

COVID-19 infections in Florida have skyrocketed over the summer as the state has been one of the hardest-hit areas of the U.S. from the delta variant in cases, hospitalizations and deaths. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has reported more than 15,000 patients are currently hospitalized in Florida, up from about 1,800 in June.
Brick wall
zitotczito Offline
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Reversed by the Florida Appeals Court: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/appeals-court-rules-favor-florida-governor-reinstates-ban-mask-mandates-florida-2021-09-10/

I am getting tired of winning.
Dg west deptford Offline
#22 Posted:
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The op title needs editing

#Winning!
Smooth light Offline
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Take your toy's home with you loser, same codswallop just from a different cow in the herd.
rfenst Offline
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zitotczito wrote:
Reversed by the Florida Appeals Court: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/appeals-court-rules-favor-florida-governor-reinstates-ban-mask-mandates-florida-2021-09-10/

I am getting tired of winning.

Not winning pracically every wher else.LOL!

This lawsuit was strategically filed in a Tallahassee trial court and reversed in a Tallahassee appellate court to get it all in front of the Florida Supreme Court as fast as possible. And, those trial and appellate courts are well known to be favorable to the governor for political reasons (to get on the FLSC) Thereafter, I think it will go into the federal system and the ban will be overturned based on SCOTUS precedent.

(I know I asked in another thread, but do you plan to herf with WB when he comes to Central Florida? And, how is the new CI store near you?)
zitotczito Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Not winning pracically every wher else.LOL!

This lawsuit was strategically filed in a Tallahassee trial court and reversed in a Tallahassee appellate court to get it all in front of the Florida Supreme Court as fast as possible. And, those trial and appellate courts are well known to be favorable to the governor for political reasons (to get on the FLSC) Thereafter, I think it will go into the federal system and the ban will be overturned based on SCOTUS precedent.

(I know I asked in another thread, but do you plan to herf with WB when he comes to Central Florida? And, how is the new CI store near you?)


Yes I have been there and it is very nice. As far as the herf goes I am not sure what I am doing at this point. When is the proposed date?
rfenst Offline
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rfenst wrote:
‘What we experienced was not inevitable’
As COVID-19 raged in Florida, DeSantis underestimated threat

Orlando Sentinel

Gov. Ron DeSantis didn’t anticipate how devastating Florida’s summer COVID-19 surge would be.
The warning signs were there. The highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus had produced an explosion of sickness and death in India, a country that had fared surprisingly well during the pandemic.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared delta to be a “variant of concern” on June 15. DeSantis suggested the threat was exaggerated when asked about delta on that same day, saying, “There has been a lot of talk about variants leading up to this. I think it gets put out there in ways designed to frighten people.”

He advised people to get vaccinated if they hadn’t but predicted Florida’s summer wave wouldn’t be as bad as the previous summer surge.

Flash forward to September, and Florida is logging a record number of COVID-19 deaths, the highest per capita rate in the nation. Central Florida hospitals ordered portable morgues to accommodate overflow bodies. Funeral homes are struggling to keep up. A record number of COVID-19 patients strained the state’s health care system, forcing the postponement of elective procedures.

As fall approaches, Florida is closing in on a grim milestone of 50,000 COVID-19 deaths, higher than the number of Americans killed in combat during the Vietnam War.


Several factors contributed to Florida’s summer surge, some of which were outside the governor’s control. Delta’s contagiousness served as the primary driver, allowing the virus to move more swiftly than it did in the past.

Florida’s sweltering heat drove people indoors, where the virus spreads even more efficiently. Social media misinformation festered distrust of the vaccine, prompting some people to skip getting shots.

But as Floridians faced the delta onslaught, they heard little warning or alarm from the governor. DeSantis allowed the state’s COVID-19 emergency declaration to expire on June 26.

With daily cases low, DeSantis stopped holding events promoting the vaccines, focusing instead on other issues such as securing the U.S.-Mexico border.

DeSantis predicted a summer increase in cases, but he said the vaccination rate among the state’s elderly population and natural immunity from past infections would mean fewer hospitalizations and deaths than during previous waves.
That turned out to be wrong. August has emerged as the deadliest month of Florida’s pandemic with more than 7,000 deaths reported so far, and final numbers are still being compiled.

Florida has reported more COVID-19 deaths after the vaccines became available than before they were introduced. When the first vaccines were given on Dec. 14, the state’s death toll stood at 21,410. As of Wednesday, Florida had recorded 48,273 deaths.


Dr. Howard Forman, a Yale University professor of public health who tracks COVID globally, estimated as many as 18,000 people could die as a result of Florida’s summer surge, despite the widespread availability of highly effective vaccines.

Christina Pushaw, DeSantis’ press secretary, defended the governor’s approach, saying he pushed hard to immunize Floridians and then offered monoclonal antibody treatment when hospitalizations surged. In a statement, Pushaw said neither mask mandates nor an emergency declaration would be effective measures in battling the pandemic. She also blasted vaccine passports — immunization documents showing a person had gotten the COVID-19 shot — that DeSantis has pushed to ban.

“No government intervention has been proven to stop the spread of COVID-19,” she said, adding, “Setting aside the ethical issues with forcing everyone to get a COVID-19 vaccine and show their papers to participate in everyday life, there’s no evidence that such draconian encroachments on civil liberties would even be effective in stopping COVID-19.”

A better message needed
Public health experts, though, say stronger messaging on the dangers of delta from political leaders, mask-wearing and better vaccination rates could have blunted Florida’s deadly summer wave. As America’s vacation playground, Florida welcomed tourists to a state where mask-wearing and other COVID-19 measures were few and far between.

The explosion of COVID-19 in parts of the United States is happening because of “relatively clear reasons,” said Dr. Theo Vos, a professor of health metrics at the University of Washington.

“Low vaccination,” he said. “Mixed messages sent from leaders. Poor compliance with control measures.”

Even though 83% of Floridians 65 and older are fully vaccinated, about 800,000 seniors are unvaccinated or only have partial protection. Those pockets of vulnerable people allowed COVID-19 to spread with devastating consequences. Florida has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country for people living in nursing homes at about 74%.

“To have several hundred deaths a day in Florida, that is pretty bad relative to the population size,” Vos said. “A highly contagious variant like the delta variant can quickly sweep through a very large susceptible population and create a lot of very sick people who require hospitalization with a good number dying on a daily basis.”

When DeSantis allowed his COVID-19 state of emergency to expire on June 26, about 45% of the state’s population had been fully vaccinated. DeSantis stopped holding daily events at vaccination sites in April after adults of all ages became eligible for the vaccines, a change from his enthusiastic promotion of the shots for the elderly over the winter.

Even as cases rose, DeSantis didn’t shift his messaging to emphasize that Floridians were facing a more contagious virus, and he held firm in his approach to COVID-19.


“If you look at the seasonal wave we’re experiencing in Florida, that’s being driven a lot by a lot of younger people,” DeSantis said during a July 30 event in Cape Coral. “They’re not getting really sick from it or anything, but they are getting it and they will develop immunity as a result of those infections.”

About the same time, DeSantis’ campaign website offered drink koozies for sale that asked, “How the hell am I going to be able to drink a beer with a mask on?” Another read, “Don’t Fauci My Florida,” referring to the White House’s COVID-19 adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Pushaw disputed criticism that DeSantis downplayed the threat posed by COVID-19.

“Stating that COVID-19 is a seasonal virus is not the same as downplaying the threat of the virus, and I am not sure where this perception originated. COVID-19 cases fluctuate in a regional and seasonal pattern. ... That doesn’t mean COVID-19 isn’t a serious and potentially deadly infection,” she said.

Throughout the summer surge, the Republican Party of Florida has praised DeSantis’ handling of COVID and has repeatedly fundraised off of his promotion of the Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatment.

“Crisscrossing the state to raise awareness of these effective drug treatments, the Governor is also energetically backed by leading medical professionals in Florida,” the party wrote in an Aug. 20 email newsletter.

DeSantis has relied on advice from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford University professor of medicine, and Martin Kulldorff, a Harvard Medical School professor, in crafting his strategy. Both signed the Great Barrington Declaration, which called for letting the virus spread in the lower-risk population with the goal of herd immunity.

President Joe Biden’s administration underestimated the potential for a more contagious variant, too, celebrating “independence from the virus” on the Fourth of July. In May, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advised that vaccinated people could go without masks but then reversed course in July when studies showed vaccinated people could still spread the virus, even though the vaccine was highly effective in preventing serious illness.

In an attempt to boost vaccination rates, Biden is rolling out a sweeping mandate that will require employees in workplaces with more than 100 people to get vaccinated or undergo weekly testing.

‘People needlessly died’
Local leaders across the state sounded the alarm as cases skyrocketed over the summer. Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings pleaded with people to wear masks and warned in late July that Central Florida had entered “crisis mode” because of the surge.

But Demings said his efforts to contain the virus were frustrated by DeSantis’ orders blocking local governments from enforcing mask mandates.

“I believe that people needlessly died,” he said. “People needlessly contracted the virus because of that short-sightedness.”

Health care workers on the pandemic’s front lines watched their intensive care units fill up with a different group of patients than previous waves, said Mary Mayhew, president and CEO of the Florida Hospital Association.

“What we experienced was so fundamentally different — not just the rapid escalation of hospitalizations but the age of those getting hospitalized who for the most part did not have other underlying medical conditions,” Mayhew said.

“Younger, healthier individuals were getting hospitalized for COVID, many of them acutely ill requiring intensive care.”
About 80% of COVID-19 deaths in previous waves were 65 and older, but that figure has dropped to about 60% with the delta wave, said Jason Salemi, a public health researcher at the University of South Florida, referencing an analysis of state data.

As hospitals filled up, DeSantis launched a campaign to promote a monoclonal antibody treatment, opening 23 clinics across the state and providing treatment to about 70,000 Floridians, Pushaw said.

The treatment is effective, and the campaign likely kept people out of the hospital, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at Vanderbilt University.

But antibody treatment alone isn’t enough, and a robust campaign to encourage vaccination, mask-wearing and social distancing also is needed, he said.


“You can’t treat yourself out of a pandemic,” Schaffner said. “You’ve got to prevent yourself out of a pandemic.”
DeSantis did aggressively promote the vaccine when it first became available, hosting dozens of events across the state. But he’s banned businesses from requiring customers to show proof of vaccination. Colleges and universities are also barred from requiring students to get vaccinated. He’s tried to ban school boards from requiring students to wear masks in class.

DeSantis has framed the vaccine as a personal choice and refrained from criticizing people who don’t get vaccinated. DeSantis quietly received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in April, and the Governor’s Office did not release a photo of the state’s leader getting vaccinated.

About 64% of eligible Floridians are fully vaccinated, which is in line with the national average and higher than every Southeastern state except Virginia, according to the CDC.

DeSantis has maintained that Northern states, many with more stringent COVID-19 measures than Florida, could see surges in the winter. Florida’s winter wave was not as severe as other states, which could have also been a factor in Florida’s big summer spike.

‘Nobody’s fault’
Jared Moskowitz, the state’s former emergency manager who led vaccination efforts, said people breathed a sigh of relief when infections were low in the spring, allowing the delta variant to catch them off guard.

“Quite frankly, we let our guard down in ways that may have been nobody’s fault, because again, we’re dealing with the novel coronavirus,” said Moskowitz, a South Florida Democrat who DeSantis appointed to lead the Florida Division of
Emergency Management. “But, you know, we have 300% more cases now than we did at the same time last year.’’
Rick Kriseman, the Democratic mayor of St. Petersburg, was harsh in his assessment of DeSantis’ handling of the delta wave.

“Everything was underestimated,” he said. “But not only underestimated. I don’t know that he cares. I mean, honestly, when you look at everything that he has said during this delta variant, [it] says to me, ‘I don’t really care what the numbers are, I’m going to do what I’m going to do. I’m not listening to any serious, legitimate medical experts.’

“And the numbers be damned, and the people who die be damned. … It only seems that he cares if he benefits in some form or fashion, whether political or however else.”

Florida’s summer could have been different if more people had gotten vaccinated and adhered to mask-wearing recommendations, said Salemi, the public health researcher.

“What we experienced was not inevitable,” he said. “This was not going to happen no matter what. It could have been a very different wave.”

HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted:
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Covid-19 in Florida is still only the 3rd leading cause of death.

Bronze medal.
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Covid-19 in Florida is still only the 3rd leading cause of death.

Bronze medal.

Have faith in Desantis. He will make it NUMBER ONE!!!
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Have faith in Desantis. He will make it NUMBER ONE!!!


I don’t think even Cuomo got it higher than #3. The media is praying for a mass Covid extinction event in Florida due to the fear that Desantis might run for President. I’m keeping my eyes open but there is no Covid death bargain real estate in Florida.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don’t think even Cuomo got it higher than #3. The media is praying for a mass Covid extinction event in Florida due to the fear that Desantis might run for President. I’m keeping my eyes open but there is no Covid death bargain real estate in Florida.

You are a credit to your race HD…..
rfenst Offline
#31 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’m keeping my eyes open but there is no Covid death bargain real estate in Florida.

Prices are appreciating crazy. There are, however, some really great beach condo prices in South Daytona Beach. Out of town owners just aren't planning to travel to their vacation homes again this year so they are just "unloading" them. Nice, quiet beach town.
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don’t think even Cuomo got it higher than #3. The media is praying for a mass Covid extinction event in Florida due to the fear that Desantis might run for President. I’m keeping my eyes open but there is no Covid death bargain real estate in Florida.

His running is a given. Just hope it's in 3.5 years with Trump's blessing. New chance for a different governor, D or R won't matter to me.
RayR Offline
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rfenst wrote:
His running is a given. Just hope it's in 3.5 years with Trump's blessing. New chance for a different governor, D or R won't matter to me.


I hear Cuomo is looking for a new state to f*ck up.
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Fried’s moves aim to draw stark contrast with DeSantis

Orlando Sentinel

TALLAHASSEE — For weeks now, Florida Democratic governor candidate Nikki Fried has been holding news conferences and issuing proclamations for the job she wants next year, not the one she has.

The agriculture commissioner is the only Democrat on the Florida Cabinet in charge of an agency with 3,700 employees that not only oversees the agriculture industry but inspects grocery stores and roller coasters and issues gun permits.
But in recent weeks she started highlighting COVID-19 statistics, and on Sept. 1 she called for a moment of silence for Florida’s nearly 47,000 dead COVID-19 victims, an act of commemoration typically only made by the governor.

She says she believes it’s needed in the face of DeSantis’ moves to ban mask mandates by local governments, vaccine passports by business and to push treatments more vocally than vaccines. She has suggested DeSantis cares more about a potential 2024 presidential bid than combating the pandemic.

“As an independently elected member of the Florida Cabinet, Commissioner Fried has been stepping up to provide the leadership the people of Florida need and deserve during this public health crisis, filling the void created by the Governor’s deadly ambition,” Fried spokeswoman Erin Moffet
stated in an email.

DeSantis scoffed at suggestions of a presidential run, telling reporters Tuesday the speculation is “manufactured,” despite him taking several out-of-state trips for national political events in recent months and raising $45 million for his political committee in the process. His supporters counter that it’s Fried who is taking her eyes off her own duties by holding press conferences on COVID-19.

“Fried’s ‘press conferences’ are political stunts to try to garner name recognition; polls show most Floridians have never heard of her,” Republican Party of Florida spokeswoman Helen Ferre said. “She can’t fool people into thinking a press conference is the same as governing — it is not.”

Fried’s moves come as DeSantis’ job approval rating has taken a hit this summer as Florida’s COVID-19 surge led to a spike in hospitalizations and deaths. Nearly one out of every five deaths from COVID-19 in Florida was reported in the past three months.

Before taking on DeSantis in a general election next year, though, Fried would have to win the Democratic primary. U.S. Rep. Charlie Crist, a household name in Florida with a long resume in public office, including four years as a Republican governor, is the other major candidateso far.

A Susquehanna Polling and Research survey conducted Aug. 4-10 found Crist ahead 38%-27% over Fried, but with 30% undecided.

A potential third major Democratic hopeful, state Sen. Annette Taddeo of Miami, is publicly considering entering the race as well and unveiled a web ad Wednesday on Twitter. The ad claims DeSantis “isn’t governing” and instead focusing on a 2024 presidential run.

DeSantis has rejected criticism from Fried and other Democrats that he isn’t doing enough to combat the virus, pointing to his push to get seniors vaccinated when the shots became available at the end of 2020 and his recent moves to set up monoclonal antibody treatment centers throughout the state.

Florida’s vaccination rate is 54%, 22nd among states. There have been 65,000 monoclonal antibody treatments administered since DeSantis started touting the drug this summer, DeSantis told reporters Tuesday.

Yet Fried has continued to slam DeSantis’ handling of the pandemic, including on Tuesday when she panned his assertion that the decision to get a vaccine or not is a personal choice that “doesn’t hurt me or anyone else” and his comment that breakthrough cases among those who have been vaccinated are common.

“It’s extraordinarily dangerous and irresponsible for Governor DeSantis to continue to lie about the vaccine — which he’s done twice in as many days,” Fried said in a statement. “By saying vaccines don’t help anyone but the recipient (not true) and that breakthrough cases among vaccinated aren’t rare (also not true), he’s continuing to impede the health and economic recovery of our state.”

She’s also increased criticism of DeSantis in other areas, which could lead to a confrontation at the next Cabinet meeting on Sept. 21.

DeSantis appointed Shawn Hamilton as secretary of the Department of Environmental Protection last week, removing the interim tag from his title. Fried had warned at a Cabinet meeting in June that the appointment must be confirmed by the Cabinet in accordance with state law, despite DeSantis’ suggestion at the time that he could make the appointment on his own.

“As I reminded the governor in June, he lacks the legal authority to unilaterally make this appointment,” Fried stated. “State law is very clear — it requires the unanimous approval of the Cabinet, in addition to confirmation by the Florida Senate.”
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rfenst wrote:
His running is a given. Just hope it's in 3.5 years with Trump's blessing. New chance for a different governor, D or R won't matter to me.


TAMPA (WFLA) – Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed away the idea that he is running for president in 2024.

“All the speculation about me is purely manufactured,” said DeSantis during a press conference he held to tout a monoclonal antibody treatment unit in St. Cloud. “I just do my job and we work hard… I hear all this stuff and honestly, it’s nonsense.”

There’s been speculation for several months of DeSantis running for president following his victory over former President Donald Trump in a straw poll back in June.

DeSantis has not yet submitted his application to run for re-election, and is not listed among gubernatorial candidates in the state elections database.

Any plans the governor or other Republicans have for seeking the presidency may remain in limbo until Trump makes his decision on whether he will run again in 2024.

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/its-nonsense-gov-desantis-brushes-off-idea-he-would-run-for-president-in-2024/



As for Crist...you'd have to be high and stupid to vote for that clown...he'll do and say anything to put his snout back in the trough. He's been a Republican and they flushed him. He's been a Democrat and they flushed him. He ran as in Independent just to get a state congressional seat for Christ's sake!

Nikki Fried? She's just a poor Valley Girl imitation. Empty suit...lot's of hair spray!
rfenst Offline
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He certainly has proved to be the "better" candidate in retrospect (once the drug and other chit came out about the other guy). He has a real good chance of being president if Trump doesn't run next cycle or later, if he serves as governor again or wins a senate seat over the next few years. But, I just don't think he has any business traveling to the Texas border and the like, among other activities out of state at this time, which has helped him accumulate that $45 million war chest. I am not complaining about the money he has raised, but his taking time off to travel to other states for non-Florida, other state, national issues.
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#37 Posted:
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There's a lot threads with eights hanging out there waiting for a nine
BuckyB93 Offline
#38 Posted:
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Like this one

Turty NINE!
rfenst Offline
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DeSantis threatens cities with fines for vaccine mandates

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened local governments with $5,000 fines per violation for requiring their employees to get vaccinated against the coronavirus that has overrun hospitals and killed tens of thousands across the state.

Local municipalities, such as Orange County and the city of Gainesville, potentially face millions of dollars in cumulative fines for implementing a requirement that their employees get a COVID-19 vaccine, the Republican governor said.


“We are not going to let people be fired because of a vaccine mandate,” DeSantis said at a news conference outside Gainesville. “You don’t just cast aside people who have been serving faithfully over this issue, over what is basically a personal choice on their individual health.”

Florida has been a national epicenter for the virus’s spread this summer, with COVID-19 deaths in Florida accounting for more than 20% of the virus-related deaths across the country last week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

At the news conference, DeSantis called on several local government workers from central Florida to explain why they didn’t want to get a vaccine at the risk of losing their jobs. Several offered false conspiracy theories about the vaccines, which medical experts have said are safe and highly effective.

Many of the municipalities requiring employees to get vaccinated offer exemptions for medical or religious reasons.

Gainesville spokesperson Shelby Taylor said the city stood by its decision.

“It is our belief that as an employer we retain the right to require vaccination as a condition of employment,” Taylor said in an email.

At a news conference, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings, a Democrat, said that he believed many of the decisions the Republican governor makes are politically motivated and that the county “would deal” with DeSantis’ threat, either through the courts or another manner.

“It could be a lot of money, yes, not question about it,” Demings said. “At the end of the day, it is our goal to protect the people in our greater community, to keep them safe, which is a fundamental role of government.”

DeSantis is running for reelection next year and is widely seen as a potential candidate to be the GOP’s presidential nominee in 2024.

Earlier this year, DeSantis signed legislation prohibiting proof of vaccination in order to get services from businesses or governments. He also issued an order preventing local governments from imposing restrictions meant to stop the spread of the virus.

DeSantis’ remarks on Monday were his latest throwing down the gauntlet at local authorities’ efforts to implement COVID-19 measures. The state Department of Education has docked the salaries of school board members in Alachua and Broward counties for defying the governor by implementing mask mandates. A total of 13 school boards currently are ignoring the mask mandate ban.
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Vaccine mandates are Jim Crow laws
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#41 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Vaccine mandates are Jim Crow laws



GOP to the rescue again!

#Lincolnwouldbesmiling
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
GOP to the rescue again!

#Lincolnwouldbesmiling

I don't care what party as long as they aren competent.
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rfenst wrote:
I don't care what party as long as they aren competent.


Mmmm....then start supporting the GOP!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Mmmm....then start supporting the GOP!
I don't vote party lines. I vote who I think will do the best, which includes R's.
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rfenst wrote:
I don't vote party lines. I vote who I think will do the best, which includes R's.


If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that!
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HockeyDad wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that!




I wish I had $1000 everytime I heard that and saw them peddle the DNC garbage!
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some people don't vote and then take credit for the winner.
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HockeyDad wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that!

You just wish you had a dollar….
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Brewha wrote:
You just wish you had a dollar….


You wanna buy some pitchforks, torches, and masks?
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vaccine mandates have a long history of being approved in the US


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/
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