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bgz Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 2:18 AM EST
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In the words of the great space heads on Rick and Morty...


Show me what you got.

If it starts with let's assume God exists... then lol.

Axioms... things that are universally true... go!!!

Better think deep... if they're stupid I'll easily find counter examples... like last time...

Keep in mind... I'm not making claims here... I just really want to hear your pitch.

So let's assume I believe in absolute logic (what ever the f*ck that means). Go!
JadeRose Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 5:33 AM EST
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Do you have nothing better to do? Go outside once in a while. Maybe get laid or something. Get a hobby
Dg west deptford Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 7:20 AM EST
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Oh Ben, sigh.

Good morning,

We don't have to assume you believe in logic.
We know you do.
We also know you believe it's universal and unchanging.

We also know that you know these invariant laws are immaterial.

Even Jade is telling you the obvious. Don't you see why I have to say
No soup for you!

I'm not insulting your intelligence when I call you a fool.
It's a moral charge.
RayR Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 7:55 AM EST
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Ben is a moral ignoramus? Ya DG, I can clearly see the truth in that.ThumpUp
tonygraz Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 8:09 AM EST
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There goes Dg again saying that his multiple personalities actually know something.
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 10:17 AM EST
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wait!
whaddya mean "even Jade..."?
JadeRose Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 10:36 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
wait!
whaddya mean "even Jade..."?




I'm a godless heathen, Frank. Jeez...don't you know nothin?
Smooth light Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 11:19 AM EST
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Try flushing again, must have one of those save water toilet, that sh*t is still floating.

Situational ethics get you nowhere. (bladderskite)
bgz Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 11:20 AM EST
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Just like I thought... all fluff, no logic.

Jade... one of my favorite hobbies is f*ckin with the knuckleheads on the internet.

I would f*ck with you... but you're almost as bad as I am... you probably would be if you could text faster.
Dg west deptford Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 11:54 AM EST
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The logic, Ben, is your using logic to argue against logic.

Just like a guy arguing against air all the while using air to vocalize complaints against it's existence.

So you continue to grasp at straws asking for a definition in the hope of finding a breath in your airless worldview.

I do perceive Mercy is reaching out to you personally though.

I thank God for that!

I mean, wow!
2am & through the purple nugg haze & distraction of Rick & Morty, you had to reach out in the hopes of some of my soup.

No soup for you!


Brewha Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 12:17 PM EST
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“He who sups with the Devil must have a long spoon.”
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#12 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 12:40 PM EST
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If it's got tires or tits it's gonna give you trouble.
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#13 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 12:46 PM EST
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if I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning???
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#14 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 12:47 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
If it's got tires or tits it's gonna give you trouble.

"If it flies, floats or f*cks, rent it, don't buy it."
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 12:54 PM EST
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Two wrongs don’t make a right.
But three rights make a left.
bgz Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 1:21 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
The logic, Ben, is your using logic to argue against logic.

Just like a guy arguing against air all the while using air to vocalize complaints against it's existence.

So you continue to grasp at straws asking for a definition in the hope of finding a breath in your airless worldview.

I do perceive Mercy is reaching out to you personally though.

I thank God for that!

I mean, wow!
2am & through the purple nugg haze & distraction of Rick & Morty, you had to reach out in the hopes of some of my soup.

No soup for you!




Actually I like watching you type stupid sayings while calling it logic.

There is no spoon.
Brewha Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 6:04 PM EST
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That is good. Because a spoon would hurt more…
bgz Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 7:51 PM EST
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Ya... especially those wooden ones.
bgz Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 7:54 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
The logic, Ben, is your using logic to argue against logic.

Just like a guy arguing against air all the while using air to vocalize complaints against it's existence.

So you continue to grasp at straws asking for a definition in the hope of finding a breath in your airless worldview.

I do perceive Mercy is reaching out to you personally though.

I thank God for that!

I mean, wow!
2am & through the purple nugg haze & distraction of Rick & Morty, you had to reach out in the hopes of some of my soup.

No soup for you!




Do you know that when you are sitting perfectly still, not moving, you're actually accelerating?

Does your intuitional logic tell you that's true or false?


Edit:

On another note... I'm curious how you're "Absolute Logic" handles quantum superposition? I'm curious on how this absolute logic thing deals with that one.
Smooth light Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 8:21 PM EST
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Does that mean we can't say"move on over" anymore.

Now you want to talk time and space? Good ploy to deflect with.
tonygraz Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 9:34 PM EST
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So, the soup nazi was the devil.

On the other hand if you were siting perfectly still on the north or south pole you would be dizzy and very, very cold.
Dg west deptford Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Sep 3 2021, 10:56 PM EST
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Rick & Morty said to tell you

We had a tornado land in south Harrison to Deptford for 20 minutes EF3
2 people injured

I got video of live action destruction of huge properties right where I work.

I have 3 current large customers with closed roads. None o my customers affected.

Looked up from my HuT during it watching debris fall that appeared to be the height of planes but I was to distracted by what was falling.
Had the family come to watch it rain leaves & twigs & whatever was way up there.

Some of it was still rising!
We were gonna run to the deeper basement nextdoor.

Dirty pool & someone's roof shingle on the herfshed.

We need mercy to be ready to give account & be thankful!
Dg west deptford Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 12:28 AM EST
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So this poor fella goes out front & films houses & trees getting Hoover'd, goes to the back door sees all the path of wake, calls the dog, goes down stairs, lights go out, smoke alarms go off the camera gets bursts of light as the blaring freight train rips the house apart, the dogs freaking out he has to hold him from running upstairs. 45 seconds later he comes out & films what would have been the end of his life
IF he was where he filmed 45 seconds earlier.

He may have soiled himself because he kept saying "Holy" like he was fixing to pray but then he swore about fecal matter.

You don't know the hour
bgz Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 1:07 AM EST
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Those are anecdotal evidence of what exactly?

Multiverse hypothesis explains that sh*t quite nicely... plenty of universes (infinitely many or a very very large number) he said f*ck the dog and got merked.

You just happen to live in one where he got lucky.

You know... Max Tegmark believes in quantum immortality... I'm guessing he hasn't tried it because he's still alive in our universe, but you never know.
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#25 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 11:03 AM EST
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I think this is that idea that fear and god are closely related….although I’m not sure how the formula works.
Dg west deptford Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 12:26 PM EST
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You guys are stuck on a limited definition of fear.

What's a better word for dummies to comprehend the souls response to staring down an EF3 barreling through your neighborhood?

I can understand why people chase tornadoes. Beholding such power firsthand is exciting!

So It's not a cowering fear thing. It's a revelation of the all powerful, Holy creator with whom we have to do.

There's no escape to a basement for comfort.

The formula Brew has to do with Holiness, Sinfulness & eternity. All of which require special revelation to comprehend.

Our only hope of comfort is where His wrath was poured out upon the Lamb of God for our sake. Where space & time were split into before & after.

Again, Amazing Grace is required for such comprehension though so I don't expect the willfully & woefully blind to see.
bgz Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 1:04 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
You guys are stuck on a limited definition of fear.

What's a better word for dummies to comprehend the souls response to staring down an EF3 barreling through your neighborhood?

I can understand why people chase tornadoes. Beholding such power firsthand is exciting!

So It's not a cowering fear thing. It's a revelation of the all powerful, Holy creator with whom we have to do.

There's no escape to a basement for comfort.

The formula Brew has to do with Holiness, Sinfulness & eternity. All of which require special revelation to comprehend.

Our only hope of comfort is where His wrath was poured out upon the Lamb of God for our sake. Where space & time were split into before & after.

Again, Amazing Grace is required for such comprehension though so I don't expect the willfully & woefully blind to see.


I don't do tornados...
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 1:20 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
You guys are stuck on a limited definition of fear.

What's a better word for dummies to comprehend the souls response to staring down an EF3 barreling through your neighborhood?

I can understand why people chase tornadoes. Beholding such power firsthand is exciting!

So It's not a cowering fear thing. It's a revelation of the all powerful, Holy creator with whom we have to do.

There's no escape to a basement for comfort.

The formula Brew has to do with Holiness, Sinfulness & eternity. All of which require special revelation to comprehend.

Our only hope of comfort is where His wrath was poured out upon the Lamb of God for our sake. Where space & time were split into before & after.

Again, Amazing Grace is required for such comprehension though so I don't expect the willfully & woefully blind to see.

So, I guess I never got one of those…..yeah, pretty sure.

we do have a bit of common ground: you believe there are things a common person cannot understand, I believe there are somethings that are unknowable.

And in fairness, the comfort, wrath, lamb thing is a bit incomprehensible to me.
That is to agree that you are on to something.
Dg west deptford Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 1:45 PM EST
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The hope is that you'll be on to something, Brew
See Psalms 90 & 91 & ask for understanding according to His word.
bgz Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 6:58 PM EST
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If I have to ask for clarification or understanding then the documentation or translation was bad.
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#31 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 7:16 PM EST
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Looking to believe, but the pursuit,or rather the thrist of worldly honor made faith impossible,

The one who abandons faith in the midst of a spiritual drought can be compared to the fool who throws away
His pitcher the first day the well is dry.w
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Sep 4 2021, 10:25 PM EST
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I think Dg is on something and trying to peddle some on others.
Dg west deptford Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 11:42 AM EST
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Happy Sunday brothers!

#30 ^ You may never be able to understand the "bad documentation" Ben.

Because the "document" says -

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Or see Matthew 13: 10-17 for the fulfilment of the prophesy from Isaiah.

There's Hope for you if you want it, but for now...
No soup for you!






bgz Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 11:56 AM EST
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So I'm supposed to be scared by mumbo jumbo?

OoOOOoOoOOo.

If I can't know it, smell it, taste it, see it, feel it, hear it, touch it, or cannot in any other possible way interact with it...

Why would I waste any time trying to understand it?

Sounds like a pointless endeavor.

I get it from a traditional perspective... but I have a hard time understanding Evangelicals... to me, they're just weird. Kinda like Jehovah's Witness... or Mormons or something.
BuckyB93 Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:11 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
So I'm supposed to be scared by mumbo jumbo?

OoOOOoOoOOo.

If I can't know it, smell it, taste it, see it, feel it, hear it, touch it, or cannot in any other possible way interact with it...

Why would I waste any time trying to understand it?

Sounds like a pointless endeavor.

I get it from a traditional perspective... but I have a hard time understanding Evangelicals... to me, they're just weird. Kinda like Jehovah's Witness... or Mormons or something.


You do realize trillions of neutrinos pass right through your body every second of every day don't you?

You can't smell them, see them, feel them, touch them, hear them, or interact with them in any way so I guess... by your logic, they don't exist.
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#36 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:18 PM EST
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Plus the Death Star and it's super laser is on it's way. It's kind of slow, too much mass to go at light speed.
bgz Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:20 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
You do realize trillions of neutrinos pass right through your body every second of every day don't you?

You can't smell them, see them, feel them, touch them, hear them, or interact with them in any way so I guess... by your logic, they don't exist.



But people exist that specialize in them.

There's actual evidence of their existence.

There's detectors... that detect them... by definition interact with them...

They just didn't magically pop into existence because we believed in them.
bgz Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:22 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Plus the Death Star and it's super laser is on it's way. It's kind of slow, too much mass to go at light speed.


Even if it could... it's coming from a galaxy far, far away... and even if it could only travel at light speed.

It's going to be a while.

But it was long ago... so it might be close!
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#39 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:30 PM EST
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Is the Death Star where they keep the Jewish lasers?
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#40 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:42 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
The hope is that you'll be on to something, Brew
See Psalms 90 & 91 & ask for understanding according to His word.

Hmmm…I lot about God’s wrath.

I never did get why the God of the bible is always so pissed.

And why would he want you to be scared of him?
That doesn’t sound very god like - at least from an Asian perspective…

I guy I know (Catholic) told me that to him the God of the Old Testament acted more like the Devil than God.
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#41 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:47 PM EST
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Yeah... God seems like a narcissistic prick that wants everyone to grovel at his feet and admire his grandiose.

F*ck that... rather be in hell with the degenerates and hookers.

I bet Satan isn't all that bad, he just gets a bad rap from all the goody goody grovelers.

All he wants is for everyone to party, have a good time and get laid.

He's probably a meat head that goes around giving everyone wedgies... nut tapping them with his tail... makes you smell his finger... that's probably why he has the rep he does.
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#42 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 12:52 PM EST
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OK. Not to get all religious and stuff but you can't deny that there is a power greater than humans can you?

Call it nature, call it physics call it God, call it... whatever... There is something that is beyond us mortals. A Higher Power... a power greater than ourselves. In my opinion, there is a distinct difference between religion, spirituality and faith.

The following is just my opinion:

- Religion is an organized set of beliefs and practices. There are many flavors. Some prefer one over the other but if you boil it down and strip out the extremes, they all follow the same premise. Don't be an a-hole, live and let live, help out each other where needed and where you can.

- Spirituality is an individual thing. It's unique to each individual. What you feel inside.. your spirit might be different than my spirit. Maybe they mesh, maybe they don't. You can't deny that all living creatures have something inside that is intangible, something that makes us who we are and what we are inside.

- Faith is hard to define, for me. Faith is a not directly tied to religion or spirituality. It's sort hope that what I believe in will eventually happen. I have faith that the human race will survive. I have faith that if I do the right thing, the right things will happen for me. I have faith that if I drop a 10 lb weight on bgz's head he'll be knocked out long enough for him not to kick me in the nads.
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#43 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:02 PM EST
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Seriously, why is the god of the Bible so pissed off?

Why do you have to kill a goat for him?

And as far as Cain went - what’s wrong with giving a fruit basket?
I like fruit.

I know that a lot of the stories were usurped from previous mythology, but why all the anger?
Why be scared?
So you’ll do what your told, right?

Oh, and he should have left Gomorrah the f*ck alone if you ask me…
bgz Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:03 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
OK. Not to get all religious and stuff but you can't deny that there is a power greater than humans can you?

Call it nature, call it physics call it God, call it... whatever... There is something that is beyond us mortals. A Higher Power... a power greater than ourselves. In my opinion, there is a distinct difference between religion, spirituality and faith.

The following is just my opinion:

- Religion is an organized set of beliefs and practices. There are many flavors. Some prefer one over the other but if you boil it down and strip out the extremes, they all follow the same premise. Don't be an a-hole, live and let live, help out each other where needed and where you can.

- Spirituality is an individual thing. It's unique to each individual. What you feel inside.. your spirit might be different than my spirit. Maybe they mesh, maybe they don't. You can't deny that all living creatures have something inside that is intangible, something that makes us who we are and what we are inside.

- Faith is hard to define, for me. Faith is a not directly tied to religion or spirituality. It's sort hope that what I believe in will eventually happen. I have faith that the human race will survive. I have faith that if I do the right thing, the right things will happen for me. I have faith that if I drop a 10 lb weight on bgz's head he'll be knocked out long enough for him not to kick me in the nads.



Power greater than humans? lol...

I consider humans to be weak and primitive.

I'll let you know my beliefs... I do have a couple.

The Universe exists.

The Universe has a Wave Function.

The Wave Function obeys the Schrödinger equation.

That's it. That's all I believe.
bgz Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:15 PM EST
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I believe that classifies me as an Everettian.
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#46 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:24 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Power greater than humans? lol...

I consider humans to be weak and primitive.

I'll let you know my beliefs... I do have a couple.

The Universe exists.

The Universe has a Wave Function.

The Wave Function obeys the Schrödinger equation.

That's it. That's all I believe.


Welp, that sums it up.

bgz: The universe is simply defined by the Schrodinger equation. Class dismissed {I have another bowl to smoke}.

Raise your hand if you think Ben can solve a linear partial differential equation... yeah.. no takers on that one.
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#47 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:28 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
OK. Not to get all religious and stuff but you can't deny that there is a power greater than humans can you?

Call it nature, call it physics call it God, call it... whatever... There is something that is beyond us mortals. A Higher Power... a power greater than ourselves. In my opinion, there is a distinct difference between religion, spirituality and faith.

The following is just my opinion:

- Religion is an organized set of beliefs and practices. There are many flavors. Some prefer one over the other but if you boil it down and strip out the extremes, they all follow the same premise. Don't be an a-hole, live and let live, help out each other where needed and where you can.

- Spirituality is an individual thing. It's unique to each individual. What you feel inside.. your spirit might be different than my spirit. Maybe they mesh, maybe they don't. You can't deny that all living creatures have something inside that is intangible, something that makes us who we are and what we are inside.

- Faith is hard to define, for me. Faith is a not directly tied to religion or spirituality. It's sort hope that what I believe in will eventually happen. I have faith that the human race will survive. I have faith that if I do the right thing, the right things will happen for me. I have faith that if I drop a 10 lb weight on bgz's head he'll be knocked out long enough for him not to kick me in the nads.

There very well could be a “higher power”. At least for all thing things that might mean.

But if we are talking about a creator, an overseer, well - no one knows.

Yes - there are many that as a personal truth “know”. But it is by no means demonstrated.
Many feel that the “proof” is all around us because they assume that our world required and intelligence to come into existence. But again, this is not demonstrated beyond the fact that it makes sense to some.

It is telling that so many will take the word of the clergy and disregard the word of scientists.

Very telling in deed.
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#48 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:53 PM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Welp, that sums it up.

bgz: The universe is simply defined by the Schrodinger equation. Class dismissed {I have another bowl to smoke}.

Raise your hand if you think Ben can solve a linear partial differential equation... yeah.. no takers on that one.


Who here actually has kept and didn't sell and still use as a reference their linear algebra, calculus and differential equations books?!?!?!

No takers?

Yeah... didn't think so.
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#49 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 1:55 PM EST
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I know at least one person I suspect of selling back their linear algebra book back to the book store.
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#50 Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2021, 2:02 PM EST
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You're the one referencing Schrodinger equations and "The Universe has a Wave Function. The Wave Function obeys the Schrödinger equation. That's it. That's all I believe"

You use big words that you read in a comic book or something as if you know it Mr. Smarty pants.
I'm not a high energy physicist, I'm not an astrophysicist or anything of that field of study. I don't claim to be.

I'm just calling you out on it.
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