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Biden’s Vaccine Command
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Thou shalt be inoculated or risk losing your job.

WSJ Editorial Board

How far President Biden has come from his campaign and inaugural pledges to unify the country and defeat Covid-19. On Thursday he blamed his fellow Americans and political opponents for the surge of Covid this summer, and he ordered them to be vaccinated or risk losing their jobs.

“We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us,” he declared in a deeply polarizing speech laying out his orders from the White House. Take that, unvaccinated Americans. You’re costing him. So now he’s sticking it to you.

There were some useful notes in his speech. Mr. Biden is directing the feds to surge healthcare workers, testing and monoclonal antibody treatments to hot spots. Excellent. He’s also ordering federal workers and those employed at contractors to get vaccinated. That’s his prerogative. The federal government doesn’t want its employees getting sick any more than private businesses do.

But his national mandate on business is needless overkill in a free country. He’s forcing all private employers with more than 100 workers—two-thirds of the workforce—to require vaccinations or weekly testing. The non-compliant can be dunned $14,000 per violation.


Many large businesses already require vaccinations or regular testing, and some have offered workers financial incentives to get inoculated. A few have been more forceful. Yet many businesses have been reluctant to mandate shots because they respect individual conscience or worry some employees will quit. Workers have been hard to hire amid the incentives Democrats have created not to work. Mr. Biden thinks that’s not his problem.

Employers understandably have concerns about compliance and enforcement. Are they supposed to pay for unvaccinated workers’ weekly testing, and what kind of proof of testing or vaccination must they require? Will franchisees and corporations be liable as joint employers? Nobody knows.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) Emergency Temporary Standards code allows it to enact a rule if “workers are in grave danger due to exposure to toxic substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or to new hazards.” But Mr. Biden is stretching the government’s authority.

OSHA has typically applied this to particular industries. In June it required healthcare facilities to create plans to prevent Covid transmission, though nearly all were already doing this. It has also required employers whose employees may be exposed to Hepatitis B to pay for worker vaccinations. But OSHA has never mandated vaccinations.

Mr. Biden’s logic is also contradictory. In his speech he stressed that the vaccinated are safe from serious Covid. Yet he said the unvaccinated must protect the vaccinated. In fact, the unvaccinated are mainly a danger to themselves and their loved ones who aren’t vaccinated.

The President blamed unvaccinated Americans for clogging up “emergency rooms and intensive care units, leaving no room for someone with a heart attack, or pancreatitis, or cancer.” This is false. Some hospitals have cancelled elective surgeries, but they’ve done so to ensure that people who need urgent care can get it—whether for Covid or something else.

He also berated governors for failing to protect their own citizens and who “are keeping us from turning the corner.” He mentioned no states by name, but he referred to those that barred mask mandates in schools. He means GOP states. But states with Democratic governors like Louisiana, North Carolina and Oregon have also experienced virus surges this summer, and few of them have imposed vaccine mandates.

Vaccination rates are also no better in big cities controlled by Democrats than in GOP states. In Miami-Dade County, 79% of those eligible are fully vaccinated and 66% in Orange County (Orlando). That’s higher than in Chicago’s Cook County (63%), the Bronx (62%), Clark County around Las Vegas (54%) and Detroit’s Wayne County (53%).

Mr. Biden may be reading polls that show vaccine mandates are popular, at least among Democrats. He promised last fall to “kill the virus,” and declared victory too soon in June. He’s now trying to blame the virus surge on everyone else in angry, accusatory rhetoric.

These columns have supported the vaccine effort from the start, but we also believe in free choice and persuasion. Mr. Biden’s polarizing commands may stiffen the resistance of many on the political right, and they are certain to cost many people their jobs. They aren’t necessary, and they show again that the progressive policy default is always brute political force.
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And it’s about damn time!
DrafterX Offline
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But Kamalalala said not to get it... Mellow
RayR Offline
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Let it be noted that Brewha likes brute political force to enforce reckless and unconstitutional progressive dicktates.
He also kicks little puppies for fun.Cursing
BuckyB93 Offline
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Yeah, it's the unvaccinated folks spreading it. Just like all the gays spreading AIDS.
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Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians (same thing) have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.

Just putting in perspective who Biden is threatening to hurt.
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You ain't black if you don't get a vaccine... Mellow
RayR Offline
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Biden is clearly a racist. Ask Corn Pop.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians (same thing) have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.

Just putting in perspective who Biden is threatening to hurt.

They can test regularly without a medical or religious exception, can't they?

I just think the government starts paying people to get vaccinated. LOLSarcasm
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I am vaccinated but I have a real problem with "OUR PATIENCE IS WEARING THIN"...................... really,has Joe forgotten who works for who?Or is he that stupid, (rhetorical we all know he is)
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president Incompetent Bassard sucks... Mellow
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rfenst wrote:
They can test regularly without a medical or religious exception, can't they?

I just think the government starts paying people to get vaccinated. LOLSarcasm


Depends on the company and what they implement. United Airlines is putting anyone with a religious objection on unpaid leave.

Federal employees or contractors do not have a testing option.

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DrafterX wrote:
president Incompetent Bassard sucks... Mellow

That’s why he did not get re-elected…..
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Biden has the patienCE of a two year old hyperactive banjo player boy on aN EaSTer morning SUGAR JAG...
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Brewha wrote:
That’s why he did not get re-elected…..


Beer
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Brewha wrote:
That’s why he won't get re-elected…..


Beer
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This administration doesn’t care about the 14th amendment either.
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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f... things up."

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NINE! teen
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Opinion: Biden delivers straight talk — and wins kudos

WAPO OPINION

On Thursday, the Biden administration delivered some long-anticipated tough talk on behalf of America’s sane majority. It came from President Biden directly on covid-19 mandates, and from the Justice Department on constitutional order.

With final approval of the coronavirus vaccine now in his back pocket, Biden channeled the sentiments of the 70 percent or so of Americans who have gotten at least one shot. Biden declared in an address to the country, “Many of us are frustrated with the nearly 80 million Americans who are still not vaccinated, even though the vaccine is safe, effective and free.” You could almost read the thought bubble above the heads of 175 million Americans: “Darn right.”

He explained that we must deal not only with the delta variant but with “elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19.” With an eye toward Florida and Texas, where covid is surging, he lambasted leaders who “instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up [are] ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities.”


Biden did not mince words about the recklessly defiant anti-vaccine crowd. “Nearly three quarters of the eligible have gotten at least one shot, but one quarter has not gotten any. That’s nearly 80 million Americans not vaccinated,” he said. “In a country as large as ours, that’s 25 percent minority. That 25 percent can cause a lot of damage — and they are.” He went on: “The unvaccinated overcrowd our hospitals, are overrunning emergency rooms and intensive care units, leaving no room for someone with a heart attack or pancreatitis or cancer.” He added that “our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us.”

Biden correctly understands that rationality does not work with most of the 25 percent of stubbornly unvaccinated Americans. While numerous enough to sustain a covid-19 surge, they are a distinct minority tormenting the rest of us and delaying our recovery. Biden’s wide-ranging vaccine mandates for employees working for the executive branch, government contractors and companies with 100 or more workers were music to the ears of the frustrated majority.
Together with his threat to sue “states undermining protection that local school officials have ordered,” he signaled an end to the era of catering to the irrational and coddling the selfish. For a country suffering from the tyranny of a minority (one determined to rewrite the history of Jan. 6, block every recovery initiative and wink at political violence), it was intensely satisfying — a confirmation that up is up and down is down.[/h]

Former Republican strategist and co-founder of the Lincoln Project Steve Schmidt put it well: “I think the overwhelming majority of the country is going to be deeply appreciative of somebody standing up at long last and saying to the small minority of nuts in this country: Enough.”

And in the category of “enough already,” Attorney General Merrick Garland announced a suit against Texas’s abortion bounty law, which seeks to deprive women of access to constitutionally protected abortions and to their right to challenge the law in court. He declared, “The obvious — and expressly acknowledged — intention of this statutory scheme is to prevent women from exercising their constitutional rights by thwarting judicial review for as long as possible.” He added:

This kind of scheme to nullify the Constitution of the United States is one that all Americans — whatever their politics or party — should fear. If it prevails, it may become a model for action in other areas, by other states, and with respect to other constitutional rights and judicial precedents.

Nor need one think long or hard to realize the damage that would be done to our society if states were allowed to implement laws that empower any private individual to infringe on another’s constitutionally protected rights in this way.
The United States has the authority and responsibility to ensure that no state can deprive individuals of their constitutional rights through a legislative scheme specifically designed to prevent the vindication of those rights.

Constitutional scholar Laurence H. Tribe tells me, “By emphasizing the affront to federal supremacy and the rule of law inherent in S.B. 8’s intentional blockage of women’s ability to vindicate their own rights, the complaint reaches beyond Roe v. Wade to encompass a structural attack on the basic design of the extraordinary Texas law.” In laymen’s terms: Enough is enough. Texas simply cannot do this.


In reminding the irresponsible minority of the unvaccinated and the constitutionally destructive far right (who would usher in an era of spying, harassment and coercion by outsourcing law enforcement to rabid ideologues) that they do not make the rules, the administration restored some common sense and order to our political environment. Governments can protect their people against pandemics. States cannot create their own system of vigilantes to undermine the Constitution.

Given popular revulsion at vigilante bounty hunting and widespread anger at unvaccinated spoilers, Biden probably helped himself politically, too. Sometimes good policy is good politics.
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The current Progtard administration doesn't care about any amendments, they rule by any dicktate that they can get away with. Liars and traitors!
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A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

Eventually we are going to have to start rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps. It’s the final solution.

Just remember who we are targeting.

Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.
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HockeyDad wrote:
A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

We arealready divided along party lines around 50/50. We are also divided over vaccination. At what point do 70-75% of the population get to be the majority when it comes to a national decision?
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The head nodders don’t mind being manipulated.
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Us (us, us, us, us) and them (them, them, them, them)
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me
And you (you, you, you)
God only knows
It's not what we would choose (choose, choose) to do (to do, to do)
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black (black, black, black)
And blue (blue, blue)
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up (up, up, up, up)
And down (down, down, down, down)
And in the end it's only round 'n round (round, round, round)
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
"Listen son", said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside

"I mean, they're not gonna kill ya
So if you give 'em a quick short, sharp, shock
They won't do it again. Dig it?
I mean he get off lightly, 'cause I would've given him a thrashing
I only hit him once! It was only a difference of opinion, but really
I mean good manners don't cost nothing do they, eh?"

Down (down, down, down, down)
And out (out, out, out, out)
It can't be helped that there's a lot of it about
With (with, with, with), without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?
Out of the way
It's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For the want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died
bgz Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
A WAPO opinion backs the concept of increasing the US versus THEM strategy.

Eventually we are going to have to start rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps. It’s the final solution.

Just remember who we are targeting.

Statistically more than half of unvaccinated Americans live in households that make less than $50,000 annually.
Whites and Asians have above average vaccine rates.
Blacks and Latinos have below average vaccine rates.


Are you saying Blacks and Latinos don't trust Whites and Asians because they keep taking all their money?


^Trying some of that DG LOgic
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The GOP’s halting, uneven journey toward becoming the anti-vaccine mandate party
Or in this case, toward opposing something that isn’t a vaccine mandate at all.

WAPO

There are a couple of perplexing things about the political opposition to the Biden administration’s decision to force large employers to mandate coronavirus vaccines or weekly testing — and vaccine mandates more broadly.

One is that our country has been mandating vaccines for a very long time, and the Pfizer vaccine now has the same status as those other vaccines: full authorization by the Food and Drug Administration. The Republicans who today say vaccines should be a matter of choice have done relatively little over the years to fight mandates of other such vaccines.

The second is that, for all the pushback on vaccine mandates, this isn’t truly a vaccine mandate at all; it’s a mandate to either get the vaccine or get tested weekly. You could even call it a testing mandate with a vaccination opt-out, if you wanted to. People who don’t want the vaccine needn’t get injected with anything or forfeit their job. To the extent this is “authoritarianism,” it’s the tyranny of a brief-if-relatively-frequent nasal swab.


Many things have conspired to bring us to this moment in American politics, in which more than 600,000 deaths are apparently insufficient in the minds of some for such a step. But perhaps the turning point came in Texas in 2007.

Out of the blue, a conservative Republican governor named Rick Perry signed an executive order. The order made his state the first in the country to mandate a vaccine for a sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, the human papillomavirus (or HPV), for girls entering the sixth grade.

The response was swift, and the GOP-controlled state legislature soon overrode him. But the conservative concerns often pertained less to the safety of the vaccine or the appropriateness of the such mandates — as they do today — and more to both the limited scale of the problem and to the idea that the vaccine would encourage promiscuity in young girls.[/h]

Perry backed down, but he continued to defend his decision — that is, until 2011, when he was seeking a promotion and it became rather inconvenient.

By then, Perry was the GOP’s supposed white-knight presidential candidate. And one of the earliest issues that his opponents used to knock him down a peg or two was the HPV vaccine mandate. Perry renounced his past defenses of the order within hours of launching his campaign. The next month at a debate, one of the candidates he had passed in the polls, then-Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), wrongly suggested the vaccine might cause “mental retardation.”

The writing was on the wall when it came to how such vaccine mandates might play with the most conservative parts of the base that had been taking over the party since the tea party wave of 2010. And since then, the GOP’s position on vaccines has drifted haltingly toward a stronger anti-mandate posture.


GOP leaders have shifted on vaccination. Their state laws have not.

While some GOP politicians toe the line between advocating for vaccines and protecting individual freedoms, legislative barriers to vaccination still exist. (Blair Guild/The Washington Post)
In the years since, a number of states have debated vaccine mandates, with vaccine and mandate skeptics pushing legislation opposed or shunned by more prominent Republicans. Some of those same Republicans have now toed the line in the party’s united opposition to Biden’s policy.


South Dakota held a heated vaccine mandate debate in 2016, when then-Gov. Dennis Daugaard’s (R) administration successfully pushed for a meningitis vaccine mandate — but not before it nearly failed in a state House committee, where most Republicans voted against it.

In 2019, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) fought an effort from some state legislative Republicans to make it easier to get exemptions for other vaccine mandates. “I think it’s important for people to know that we are pro-vaccination in the state of Arizona,” Ducey said at the time. “Vaccinations are good for our kids and helpful for public health.”

Ducey last month banned local governments from requiring coronavirus vaccinations for their employees, and on Thursday he decried Biden’s “dictatorial approach,” saying, “The vaccine is and should be a choice.”

There was a similar push in Iowa in 2019 to add an exemption for “conscientiously held beliefs,” but Gov. Kim Reynolds (R) said she supported the existing exemptions on the books, and the effort wound up fizzling out.

On Thursday, Reynolds also denounced the Biden administration’s move, even though it includes religious and disability-related exemptions and a testing option, saying, “I believe and trust in Iowans to make the best health decisions for themselves and their families.”

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s (R) administration in 2019 also expressed skepticism about a bill that would demand schools post information about exemptions for vaccine mandates. DeWine has also recently fought against a GOP effort to ban businesses from instituting their own vaccine mandates.

On Friday, he called Biden’s moved “a mistake” and said that “people and business owners should make their own decisions about vaccination.”

Similar language has been employed by many other GOP senators and governors, including Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb (R). “I strongly believe it’s not the state or federal government’s role to issue a vaccine mandate upon citizens & private businesses,” Holcomb said in a tweet Friday.

But back in 2017, Holcomb signed a bill mandating that students at Indiana’s public colleges and universities be vaccinated against meningitis. And as recently as June, he bucked conservatives who wanted him to stop Indiana University from requiring proof of coronavirus vaccination for all students and employees.

There is nuance in all of this. Some have suggested their quarrel is not with vaccine mandates, per se, but with the federal government mandating them or compelling private businesses to mandate them. Others had said previously this was about the coronavirus vaccines only being authorized for emergency use.

But then the Pfizer vaccine was fully authorized, and we saw almost no shift in the GOP’s anti-mandate stance. We’ve also seen a pretty steady GOP effort to prevent even the mandates forged by those private businesses on their own or by local and state governments. And the prevailing talking point here — that vaccines should be a choice and that even state government shouldn’t mandate them — doesn’t really apply across the board to other vaccines.[h] It also ignores the fact that mandates aren’t just about government controlling lives; vaccines need widespread adoption to truly stomp out a virus like the coronavirus.)

In July, a spokesman for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) responded to a question about whether the senator also opposed other such vaccine mandates that were already in place in Texas, saying: “Of course not. Sen. Cruz has been clear that he opposes covid vaccine mandates.”

That seems to be the uniting principle here. [h]But if you’re going to oppose a mandate for a fully authorized vaccine, it would make more sense if you opposed them more broadly. If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020, that seems like a strange place to draw the line — unless you have a reason you’re not enunciating for why this one is different. Federalist concerns are perhaps valid, but we’ve seen almost no Republicans say even states or local governments should be allowed to do this.


[h]And the drawing of that line is somewhat more curious now, given that, unlike mandates for those other vaccines, this one isn’t strictly a vaccine mandate at all.
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^^^^^^^

"If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020..."

You mean the one with a 99.8% survival rate, similar to the seasonal flu?

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^^^^^^^^

The one that's never been isolated and identified? A mandate for that one?
bgz Offline
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Covid sucks, flu sucks. Covid sucks as bad as the flu... I Get the flu shot because the flu sucks.

Well, I think you know where I'm going with this. Politics aside, Covid sucks.
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bgz wrote:
Covid sucks, flu sucks. Covid sucks as bad as the flu... I Get the flu shot because the flu sucks.

Well, I think you know where I'm going with this. Politics aside, Covid sucks.


Being sick with covid/flu like symptoms does suck.

I got really sick with the flu back in August 2019, I'm sure it would be called Covid today. Brutal sh*t.
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Not WAPO again! What a chitty newspaper.

They lost me at "America’s sane majority".

They'll even ally with and quote Steve Schmidt, libelous lying RINO cofounder of the scandalous and disgraced Lincoln Project. WAPO has no shame at all, NONE! They'll cherry-pick and quote any scumbag that meets the needs of pushing their leftist dogma.

You're right HD, WAPO would be on board with "rounding up the unvaccinated and shipping them to unvaccinated camps."

Herr rfenst: The purpose of the original confederated republic of the sovereign states was to prevent “the tyranny of the majority.”, that there was no singular central government, no single "nation" formed at all, and therefore there could not be any "national decision" making outside of enumerated powers, none by the way of democracy or dicktatorship written into any founding documents allowing any majority to squash the rights guaranteed to the minority. I know, I know.... the compact has been violated many times in the past, yes even by your black-robed despots using weaselly lawyer talk.
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rfenst wrote:
At what point do 70-75% of the population get to be the majority when it comes to a national decision?


When we’re ready to open up the camps and fix bayonets.
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bgz wrote:
Are you saying Blacks and Latinos don't trust Whites and Asians because they keep taking all their money?


No. I’m saying consistently across cities, states, and the USA, blacks and Latinos are under vaccinated and resisting. The Democrats never let them have any money.
bgz Offline
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Well maybe they wouldn't resist if they opened up their wallets a little bit...

Anyway, tomorrow in bizzaroworld, the lizard people will...
RayR Offline
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Sorry...I have no chitty WAPO apparatchiks for the regime articles to post. Contrary to that claptrap, this is quite good.
Eric Peters of ericpetersautos.com writes about all things cars and bikes, but also is forthright libertarian in his politics and you know what?. I don't think he's a fan of Dicktator Biden.LOL

Open Letter to the Tyrant

Quote:
The president of the United States has decreed – no law has been passed – that every American will roll up their sleeves and be Jabbed , else lose their jobs. It will start with companies that employ 100 people or more. It will be expanded to every employer, eventually. The next step will be Proof of Jab to enter – anywhere. This is coming, as sure as the president’s moral authority is receding.

He intends to enforce his decrees using the regulatory apparat of the state, which is telling. America is now an openly lawless country. The Maximum Leader decrees – and the bureaucracy enforces. The trial balloon version of this was floated last year, when “mandates” and “guidelines” supplanted laws.

This is tyranny.

Not the funny, El Presidente of Ecuarico kind.

Some of the people may have voted for Joe Biden. No one voted for mandatory vaccines. No representative of the people so voted. It was never put up for a vote. It was ordered. That is not America, anymore.

Americans are thus relieved of any obligation to obey.

The time has come to resist. Not with violence. With something more powerful.

Refusal.

More...

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/09/10/open-letter-to-the-tyrant/
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RobertHively wrote:
^^^^^^^

"If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020..."

You mean the one with a 99.8% survival rate, similar to the seasonal flu?


Denial ain’t just deep, it’s wide too….
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The Rona was fabricated by Fauci and President Incompetent Bassard to pass lenient voting laws and oust Trump... Mellow
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RayR wrote:
...

Herr rfenst: The purpose of the original confederated republic of the sovereign states was to prevent “the tyranny of the majority.”, that there was no singular central government, no single "nation" formed at all, and therefore there could not be any "national decision" making outside of enumerated powers, none by the way of democracy or dicktatorship written into any founding documents allowing any majority to squash the rights guaranteed to the minority. I know, I know.... the compact has been violated many times in the past, yes even by your black-robed despots using weaselly lawyer talk.


1. Why do you refer to me as Herr?

2. The purpose was ideal for the times- and a good one to continue to strive for. But, reality gets in the way, for better or worse.
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Brewha wrote:
Denial ain’t just deep, it’s wide too….


That's why I'm trying to help you with that. The figure comes from your church, the CDC.
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RobertHively wrote:
^^^^^^^

"If you’re going to isolate the one that happens to protect against a virus that has killed more than 600,000 people since the start of 2020..."

You mean the one with a 98.2% survival rate, similar to the seasonal flu?


FIFY
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rfenst wrote:
FIFY


They changed it? I believe you though, it's not my religion.
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DrafterX wrote:
The Rona was fabricated by Fauci and President Incompetent Bassard to pass lenient voting laws and oust Trump... Mellow

Is that why Trump took credit for the vaccine?
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Here's the chart that I copied from the CDC a while back...

0-19 yrs: 99.997% survival

20-49 yrs- 99.98% survival

50-69 yrs- 99.5% survival

70+ yrs- 94,6% survival

Older people and people with co-morbidities have a weaker immune system. So this makes sense and is in line with the seasonal flu.

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RobertHively wrote:
That's why I'm trying to help you with that. The figure comes from your church, the CDC.

Now if we could teach you to interpret the data…..
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
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RobertHively wrote:
Here's the chart that I copied from the CDC a while back...

0-19 yrs: 99.997% survival

20-49 yrs- 99.98% survival

50-69 yrs- 99.5% survival

70+ yrs- 94,6% survival

Older people and people with co-morbidities have a weaker immune system. So this makes sense and is in line with the seasonal flu.


Yeah, well the trailing numbers are people that are DEAD Robert.

HockeyDad Offline
#47 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Yeah, well the trailing numbers are people that are DEAD Robert.



That sounds like an apology. How’s traffic in your neck of the woods with all the dead not commuting?
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#48 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
That sounds like an apology. How’s traffic in your neck of the woods with all the dead not commuting?


Ya sick bastid. Lol Alright Ill talk to you guys later.
rfenst Offline
#49 Posted:
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RobertHively wrote:
They changed it? I believe you though, it's not my religion.



Bro, that was an old cbid inside joke. That's all.
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#50 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Bro, that was an old cbid inside joke. That's all.


Gotcha. 98.2% of the time I get the joke, but I really thought you were being serious. Good one.

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