rfenst wrote:It isn't only about death. The vaccine blunts, but admittedly does not entirely defeat Delta. Yet it still decreases the risk of hospitalization and of a bad outcome (other than death) if you get sick.
Your assessment of the number of Americans annually dying from the flu vs. covid is wrong. "61,000 people died in the worst flu season of the past decade. COVID-19 has killed eight times that many." That was as of 6 months ago. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-flu/
Israel's Delta infection break-through rate is not 90+%. It is around 60% (which is not good). Moreover, in Israel "the vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-doctors-find-severe-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-mostly-older-sicker-2021-08-20/ I can't find anything about the vaccine (Pfizer) actually causing covid in Israel, or anywhere else.
I am sure you have additional reasons for not wanting the vaccine and that is OK, but if that is the only data people are relying on...
I pay close attention to Israel bc they are at the forefront of human vaccine experimentation. They're on their fourth dose and the doctors I've listened to (just a few) say it's a pandemic of the vaccinated, which is the complete opposite of what they're saying here.
Also old age, comorbidities etc- the reasons Vax'd people are dying according to the doc you quoted, are the same reasons I don't believe the Covid death count in the U.S. There is financial and political incentive for people to die of Covid as opposed to with Covid, but not if they've been vaccinated. If they die with the vax then it's old age etc
Like you mentioned to Hockeydad in another thread, it just depends on what flavor of news you like. There is very little objective reporting "in these times". It's mainly politics. Take VAERS for example, if you look there have been thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries and supposedly only 1% of all injuries get reported. They could be lying, who knows, but health care providers stopped administering the Swine Flu Vax in 2009 because of 26 deaths. Why continue with the mrna vax when we know it's killed more people than that and injured even more. Imo it's about the money and control, not about health.
But I appreciate your serious answer, that's more than BGZ and Hockeydad could muster. Lol