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California voters rejected the attempt to remove Gov. Gavin Newsom from office.
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Covid referendum

In the run-up to yesterday’s recall election in California, both Gov. Gavin Newsom and his critics framed it as a judgment on his handling of the pandemic. Newsom embraced his enactment of aggressive mask and vaccine mandates. His leading Republican opponent, Larry Elder, promised to cancel those mandates before drinking his first cup of tea on his first day in office.

The recall, as my colleague Jennifer Medina wrote, became a “referendum on pandemic management.”

Now Newsom has won that referendum in a landslide. According to the latest results, California voters rejected removing him from office by a margin of 64 percent to 36 percent. The final margin may change as the vote count continues, but it was clearly a political victory for vaccination.


I don’t mean to suggest that the politics of Covid-19 are simple. They are not. Lockdown fatigue may have contributed to the surprisingly strong showing by Donald Trump and other Republican candidates in the 2020 elections. And Democratic politicians in some places have favored measures — like outdoor mask mandates and months long school closures — that are both scientifically and politically dubious.

Newsom himself infamously ate a meal with friends at one of the state’s finest restaurants while his administration was urging Californians not to gather with people outside their households. It played into the most unlikable parts of his image. Only a few weeks ago, polls suggested he was in jeopardy of losing the recall.

But Newsom’s overall approach to the pandemic helped save him.


It aligned very closely with what public-health experts were urging, including the mandates for indoor masks and vaccinations, notes Soumya Karlamangla, a Times reporter based in Los Angeles. Initially, those measures hurt Newsom’s popularity, because they were cumbersome and did not seem to be making much difference. In the spring, California’s case numbers were not so different from those in Florida or Texas.

“It feels a little like he’s the perfect example of the conundrum public health officials often face,” Soumya says. “How do you get people to do something before they can see the risk is there?”

More recently, the connection has become clearer. Vaccination rates have risen high enough in much of California — and the Delta variant is contagious enough among the unvaccinated — that the state now looks very different from much of the Southeast and Mountain West, where hundreds of people are dying each day and hospitals are running out of room.
In California, Covid caseloads and hospitalizations, which were already well below the national average, have been falling for about two weeks. “Panic levels feel much lower than they did even a month ago,” Soumya says.


If anything, statewide comparisons understate the power of the vaccines; every state, including California, has areas with relatively low vaccination rates. When you instead look at California on a county basis, the picture is striking.

[b]The large metro areas with the lowest Covid rates also happen to be the places where Democratic candidates like Newsom receive most of their votes in California.

The San Francisco Bay Area has a hospitalization rate that remains lower than the U.S. rate was for much of this year, before Delta was widely circulating. If the rest of the country looked like the Bay Area, the Delta surge would not have been nearly so bad.

And on an individual level, the vaccines are more effective than the county data suggests. In San Francisco, most hospitalized people are part of the small share of residents who remain unvaccinated.

California is obviously a deep-blue state, and Newsom’s approach surely would not work so well in a red state. Still, his Covid policies are closer to what the median American voter favors than the Republican approach is. Prominent Republicans have described Covid vaccine mandates as tyrannical, even though all 50 states impose other vaccine mandates. Some Republicans have also banned businesses and schools from taking evidence-based steps and promoted medical treatments that seem to do more harm than good.


In doing so, these politicians are aligning themselves with a minority of Americans. Nationwide, less than 25 percent of adults have not yet received a Covid vaccine shot. Only 26 percent oppose a vaccine mandate at their workplace, according to an Associated Press poll last month. Vaccinations, as CNN’s Brian Stelter has noted, are not a 50-50 issue.
No wonder that, in the country’s most populous state, the public health consensus triumphed over its critics yesterday.
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GOP promotes fraud claims before California recall vote

Associated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California Republicans were trying to contain a fire of their own making a day before voting ended in the recall election against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, hoping to persuade their voters to turn out Tuesday even as party leaders promoted unsubstantiated claims that the race was rigged or compromised by misconduct.

Larry Elder, one of the leading Republican candidates seeking to replace Newsom if the recall succeeds, has said he believes “there might very well be shenanigans, as there were in the 2020 election.” His campaign website has a link to a “Stop CA Fraud” website where people can report suspicious voting activity or sign a petition demanding a special legislative session to investigate an election that isn’t even over. The language is lifted from a petition circulated to help former President Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the results of last year’s presidential election.

On Monday, Trump, who has continued to promote falsehoods about his loss in the 2020 election, issued a statement saying, “Does anybody really believe the California Recall Election isn’t rigged?"

That messaging poses problems for Republican Party officials, who are encouraging everyone to vote while also promoting a narrative that California’s election security can’t be trusted. Dhillon, an attorney and the national committeewoman of the Republican National Committee for California, said she made a video with her husband showing how they cast ballots by mail and urging everyone to do the same.


But Dhillon also said she could not say whether California’s election will be safe and secure, detailing numerous problems that she said she and a team of attorneys monitoring the election have witnessed.

Much of the GOP criticism of California’s elections has focused on the wide use of mail-in ballots, which have been automatically sent to all active registered voters for state elections since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. An overwhelming majority of California voters cast ballots by mail even before the pandemic, and no widespread voter fraud issues have surfaced.

As of Saturday, 7.8 million ballots had been cast, or nearly 35% of registered voters, according to Political Data Inc., a data firm that works with Democrats. Mike Sanchez, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County Registrar’s Office, said voting by mail is “trusted, secure and safe.”

This recall was fueled largely by anger over Newsom’s actions during the pandemic, which included imposing the nation’s first statewide shutdown order. Critics said he was heavy handed, shuttering businesses and keeping children out of classrooms for longer than necessary. Newsom said his actions saved lives.

California voters had just two questions on Tuesday’s ballot: Should Newsom stay in office? And if not, who should replace him? There are 46 replacement candidates to choose from. If voters keep Newsom, the results on the second question are irrelevant. Otherwise, the replacement candidate with the highest vote total wins.

In California, the GOP has just 24% of registered voters, compared with 46.5% for Democrats. Registered voters without a political party are roughly equal to registered Republicans, but typically align their votes with Democrats.

Republicans have not won a statewide office since 2006, when Arnold Schwarzenegger won reelection to governor.
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It’s over. I’m just glad I voted “no” on the recall. I heard Delta1 voted “yes” and I’m going to turn him in.

Now we enter the punishment phase. The Gavinator is not pleased.

1. The state of emergency now continues indefinitely
2. Eliminate the recall election provision for the governor
3. Maybe statewide vaccine mandate? I could see it.
4. Reinstate statewide mask mandates?



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Ya, all the self-loathing progtards who voted to keep your bourgeois elitist governor are looking forward to the continuing Newsom COVID reign of terror and the purge.

California, You Blew It Again

I & I Editorial Board
September 15, 2021

Quote:
Not only did California Gov. Gavin Newsom survive the recall election, the vote margin was tilted so far in his favor by Wednesday morning that he’s likely to see the results as a mandate to issue another round of harsh pandemic rules. What is certain is that he will consider it a signal to press the Blue State agenda that’s made California a miserable experience for so many.

Recalling a Democratic governor in a state where roughly twice as many Democrats are registered to vote as Republicans was always going to be a nearly impossible task. At one time, polls indicated Newsom could be ousted. It appeared a chance to climb out of the wreckage had arrived. But in the final poll that matters, voters changed the narrative. On the morning after, results were showing 64% said no to the recall, only 36% said yes.

It wouldn’t be loco to think that Newsom is now going to seek revenge on those who voted to remove him. A likely place to start is to put California back under a tight and unforgiving pandemic lockdown regime even though it had never fully escaped Newsom’s iron fist over the summer. If not for the heat he felt from the recall polls, the life-has-been-handed-to-him governor would have surely reinstated the freedom-robbing policies he had ordered in 2020 after the Delta variant arrived in June.

More...

https://issuesinsights.com/2021/09/15/california-you-blew-it-again/
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serve them right to suffer! Now lay in the bed and expect NO PITTY! Fools
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Happy to see that the Democrat Lenin "useful idiots" are alive and well in the sh__hole state of CA. I hope that Newsom screws the residents over big time.
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HockeyDad wrote:
It’s over. I’m just glad I voted “no” on the recall. I heard Delta1 voted “yes” and I’m going to turn him in.

Now we enter the punishment phase. The Gavinator is not pleased.

1. The state of emergency now continues indefinitely
2. Eliminate the recall election provision for the governor
3. Maybe statewide vaccine mandate? I could see it.
4. Reinstate statewide mask mandates?





Glad I'm not going there any time soon
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LA County announced vaccine mandates!
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zitotczito wrote:
Happy to see that the Democrat Lenin "useful idiots" are alive and well in the sh__hole state of CA. I hope that Newsom screws the residents over big time.

Why do you sound so angry?
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HockeyDad wrote:
LA County announced vaccine mandates!

About time!Sarcasm
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Make Hockey dad first in line for the #3 shot of vaccine...

H.D. will be the NEW POSTER BOYEEEE OF COVID PREVENTION...

FOR DA' MAN...
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I just read that only it took less than 1.5 million petition signatures to institute the Newsome recall out of almost 40 million citizens. California ought to fix that, IMHO.
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Don't tell them that, they're going to make it less.
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bgz wrote:
Don't tell them that, they're going to make it less.


No, I don't think so, the authoritarian progtards will want to raise it to the moon....you know duhmacracy, they don't like it when the opposition mob has a chance to depose their dicktator or they'll want to eliminate the recall election provision for the governor altogether like HD said.
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I think they should keep it. Make it a tradition.

Just to make sure the people are really sure.
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Make Hockey dad first in line for the #3 shot of vaccine...

H.D. will be the NEW POSTER BOYEEEE OF COVID PREVENTION...

FOR DA' MAN...


Gimme them boosters! I’m just waiting for the time when I can start turning in unvaccinated and get them shipped off to camps. We need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated!
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rfenst wrote:
I just read that only it took less than 1.5 million petition signatures to institute the Newsome recall out of almost 40 million citizens. California ought to fix that, IMHO.


It takes 12% of the number of votes from their election. It is already in the works to change it. They prolly just exclude Republican votes from counting towards the 12%.

We already have a top two primary system. All the candidates appear on the same primary ballot and the top two advance to the general election. Often the top two are both Democrats.

The nice thing about a one-party system is you can really just kick back and let the central committee decide everything.
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I’m sure Robert spoke out against that….
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HockeyDad wrote:
Gimme them boosters! I’m just waiting for the time when I can start turning in unvaccinated and get them shipped off to camps. We need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated!


I hope that you are in charge of the one I get sent to...

I know that we'll at least get an hour of herf time as long as we buy the cigars from you.

Perhaps you would be willing to move back to FEMA region 4?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’m sure Robert spoke out against that….

What are you talking about?
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Da gubernors family is having a pandemic of the unvaccinated!.

Newsom’s Office Refuses to Say Whether CA Governor is Quarantining After Two of His Children Test Positive For Covid-19

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/newsoms-office-refuses-say-whether-ca-governor-quarantining-two-children-test-positive-covid-19/
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read an opinion piece recently that Newsom's people were able to position the question as not so much his performance but rather would citizens want a Trumper as governor, in the minds of voters
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frankj1 wrote:
read an opinion piece recently that Newsom's people were able to position the question as not so much his performance but rather would citizens want a Trumper as governor, in the minds of voters


This is more evidence that the Newsom regime understands the mindlessness of voters, that their base is a bunch of idiots who only need to be manipulated by imaginary fears, like having a black Trump as governor.
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frankj1 wrote:
read an opinion piece recently that Newsom's people were able to position the question as not so much his performance but rather would citizens want a Trumper as governor, in the minds of voters


It was entirely about Trump and black Trump. Bernie and Elizabeth were all over the tv commercials telling everyone.

Meanwhile California has 7.5% unemployment and only Nevada is worse.
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RayR wrote:
This is more evidence that the Newsom regime understands the mindlessness of voters, that their base is a bunch of idiots who only need to be manipulated by imaginary fears, like having a black Trump as governor.

Why do you mention him as "black"?
What does this have to do with anything here?
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RayR wrote:
This is more evidence that the Newsom regime understands the mindlessness of voters, that their base is a bunch of idiots who only need to be manipulated by imaginary fears, like having a black Trump as governor.

ever hear the old expression about playing poker?
If you can't figure out who the fish is at the table, it's you.
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rfenst wrote:
Why do you mention him as "black"?
What does this have to do with anything here?


The ads pretty much called him black Trump. He was referred to as the black face of white supremacy. Incidentally California has never had a black governor. Not gonna any time soon either.
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