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Democrats revise elections bill but still face Senate headwinds
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Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats unveiled a pared back elections bill Tuesday in hopes of kickstarting their stalled push to counteract new laws in Republican states that could make it more difficult to cast a ballot.

But the new compromise legislation is likely doomed to fail in the 50-50 Senate, facing the same lockstep Republican opposition that scuttled their previous attempts to pass an even more sweeping bill. The GOP blasted the earlier measure as “unnecessary” and a “partisan power grab.”


Republican-controlled legislatures have enacted restrictions over the past year in the name of election security that will make it harder to vote and could make the administration of the elections more subject to partisan influence.

The revised legislation was negotiated for weeks by a group of Democratic senators and includes many of the same provisions as the previous bill, known as the For the People Act.

It would establish national rules for running elections, limit partisanship in the drawing of congressional districts and force the disclosure of many anonymous donors who spend big to influence elections.

But it also includes a number of changes sought by West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who is the chamber’s most conservative Democrat. That includes provisions that would limit, but not prohibit, state voter ID requirements, as well as the elimination of a proposed overhaul of the Federal Election Commission, which was intended to alleviate partisan gridlock at the election watchdog agency.

The new measure also dumps language that would have created a public financing system for federal elections. Other provisions are aimed at alleviating concerns from local elections officials, who worried that that original bill would have been too difficult to implement. And some new additions are aimed at insulating nonpartisan election officials who may be subject to greater partisan pressure under some of the new state laws.

Republicans are still expected to uniformly oppose the measure, which they say amounts to a federal takeover of elections. That leaves Democrats short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill unless they change the Senate’s filibuster rules, which Manchin and others have ruled out.

Manchin told reporters Tuesday that the new bill “makes more sense, it’s more practical, more reasonable.”

“Now we have to sit down and work with our Republican colleagues,” he said.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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The "Harder to vote" narrative still?

Get an ID already...you want to get into a club...get pulled over by a cop...buy smokes or booze yet claim absurdities bounding on racism about it?

PROVE WHO YOU ARE...that scares the DNC
rfenst Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The "Harder to vote" narrative still?
Get an ID already...you want to get into a club...get pulled over by a cop...buy smokes or booze yet claim absurdities bounding on racism about it?
PROVE WHO YOU ARE...that scares the DNC

Everyone should have to show ID to vote. That's simple.
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Did you read the bill?
HockeyDad Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The "Harder to vote" narrative still?

Get an ID already...you want to get into a club...get pulled over by a cop...buy smokes or booze yet claim absurdities bounding on racism about it?

PROVE WHO YOU ARE...that scares the DNC


I need a state ID and a Covid-19 passport just to walk into a Kentucky Fried Chicken!
RayR Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I need a state ID and a Covid-19 passport just to walk into a Kentucky Fried Chicken!


Didn't you tell them that having to show your ID is racist?
DrMaddVibe Offline
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#friedchickeneatinglivesmatter
Smooth light Offline
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Did they ask chicken for ID too!
HockeyDad Offline
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RayR wrote:
Didn't you tell them that having to show your ID is racist?


It’s modern Jim Crow laws!
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picture id for voting ain't crazy, but it won't prevent the miniscule amount of intentionally fraudulent voting either.
might help with voters who are registered in more than one area who simply never "unregistered" when they moved and had no idea they even could have attempted to vote again.

When Trump first brought up people registered multiple times, instantly several of his inner crowd realized they were guilty by accident, first admission came from Spicer if I remember correctly.
A few here discovered as much about themselves when I brought this up 4 or 5 years ago, dstieger was an early admitter to the crime.

I personally knew dozens of underage kids with perfect fake ID's so they could buy alcohol, and that was early '70's. Gotta think the technology and cost has become better.
delta1 Offline
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wonder what sort of ID the framers had in mind when they decided to include this in the constitution, that every person, 18 years of age, should be able to vote in our democracy...

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
RayR Offline
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delta1 wrote:
wonder what sort of ID the framers had in mind when they decided to include this in the constitution, that every person, 18 years of age, should be able to vote in our democracy...

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."


I don't think any of the framers were still alive in 1971.Confused
bgz Offline
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RayR wrote:
I don't think any of the framers were still alive in 1971.Confused


Soft...
Whistlebritches Offline
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delta1 wrote:
wonder what sort of ID the framers had in mind when they decided to include this in the constitution, that every person, 18 years of age, should be able to vote in our democracy...

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."



Not much of an argument considering a convenience store can be fined for selling under age individuals tobacco and lose their liquor license for booze.Not much wiggle room here Al
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I wish just one honest liberal would step up and go ahead and admit what their true objection to voter ID is.I mean we all know but to sit back and think the masses are that stupid says a lot about liberals.Step up...............be a man
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I wish just one honest liberal would step up and go ahead and admit what their true objection to voter ID is.I mean we all know but to sit back and think the masses are that stupid says a lot about liberals.Step up...............be a man


I can give you a liberal answer. The tru objective is to get everyone to vote by mail. So people in loud azz gas guzzling, air poluting vehicles like yours presumably... and mine, knowably... don't heat up the globe on that day every 4 years.

-An original liberal answer by bgz
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bgz wrote:
I can give you a liberal answer. The tru objective is to get everyone to vote by mail. So people in loud azz gas guzzling, air poluting vehicles like yours presumably... and mine, knowably... don't heat up the globe on that day every 4 years.

-An original liberal answer by bgz



The weakest answer I have ever heard..........now how bout the truth
bgz Offline
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Unfortunately I don't know the truth... I'm a very low level lizard people.
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RayR wrote:
I don't think any of the framers were still alive in 1971.Confused


Don't be bothering delta with details or facts. He's not a big fan of them.

NINE! teen.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I wish just one honest liberal would step up and go ahead and admit what their true objection to voter ID is.I mean we all know but to sit back and think the masses are that stupid says a lot about liberals.Step up...............be a man


Democrats believe that blacks and Hispanics are inferior and non competitive. Democrats have a big heart and through their kindness they enable blacks and Hispanics to have a better chance at competing in today’s society. Getting an ID is just one of the many challenges they face in this systemic racist world.
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bgz wrote:
Soft...


How so?

Nowhere in the Constitution is age mentioned at all regarding the right to vote (as delta erroneously eluded to). 21 years old was the accepted default up until the 26th Amendment was ratified in 1971 and lowered it to 18 - primarily as a result of the draft during the Vietnam War where 18 yr olds could be drafted but had no say in representation within the government.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
How so?

Nowhere in the Constitution is age mentioned at all regarding the right to vote (as delta erroneously eluded to). 21 years old was the accepted default up until the 26th Amendment was ratified in 1971 and lowered it to 18 - primarily as a result of the draft during the Vietnam War where 18 yr olds could be drafted but had no say in representation within the government.


What's that gotta do with me calling Ray soft?

Can you imagine if it was me that posted it? Oh sh*t .. dude would wrote a f*ckin book.
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Whistlebritches wrote:
The weakest answer I have ever heard..........now how bout the truth


I didn't promise a good liberal answer... just a liberal answer.
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Just exactly.....

Who ARE THESE LOSERS TRYING TO VOTE WItHOUT
A driver's license? Or a state DMV I.D. CARD???

REALLY?

TO GET A LEGAL JOB , YOU NEED I.D.
TO GET ON AN AIRPLANE, YOU NEED I.D.
TO BUY A FIREARM, YOu nEED I.D.
To get a passport, you need I.D.

Only, illegal aliens , criminals, people on the LAM and lazy
MUDDER Fer's don't have I.D.

The DUECE's favourite excuse..."I can't get a ride to the DMV to get an I.D." ..."I can't afford a driver's license or a FREE STATE I.D. CARD" , and THE STATE OF Georgia "FAV"
..." I NEED WATER AND FOOD WHEN I WAIT IN A LINE FOR OVER 8 HOURS to vote"...'really? Why on earth are you waiting 8 hours to vote?

I am 65 , been voting since I was 18, I always showed my driver's licence Everytime I voted and signed the register signature match book...and N.E.V.E.R. WAITED MORE THAN 30-40 MINUTES, MOST OF THE TIME ONLY 10-15 MIN...
what planet IS GEORGIA ON???

I MEAN R.E.A.L.L.Y.???

WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THAT STATE??
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bgz wrote:
What's that gotta do with me calling Ray soft?

Can you imagine if it was me that posted it? Oh sh*t .. dude would wrote a f*ckin book.


You could never have posted it, I know you never read stuff written by old dead guys.
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RayR wrote:
You could never have posted it, I know you never read stuff written by old dead guys.


Lmfao
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Here is my liberal answer: Everyone eligible should be highly encouraged to vote. Everyone (ideally) should want to vote. Voting should be super easy. The more the merrier, no matter what the outcome. ID should be required.

Having said that, I have yet to see any evidence or proof of widespread voter fraud by lack or false ID that has affected the outcome of an election.

What I have seen here in Florida during the last election cycle is individuals and politicians who run and finance "fake" candidates to siphon off votes from the other side. This just occurred last cycle and it cost at least one candidate victory because so many voted for the wrong person on the ballot, not who they intended to.
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No, we need less duhmocracy. Voting should be less easy so stupid people who are dangerous to society won't bother because it's too much work.
This is illustrated by your example that some numbnuts in the mob could be so easily tricked and voted for the wrong person on the ballot.
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I watched a video of Nancy Pelosi at Castle Greyskull….I mean Cambridge this morning, it was pretty telling. She discussed the virtues of the two bills (the one John Lewis wrote and the one named after him) and why she thought they were vital. Then explained how it would make it easier for them to pass their legislative ideals….

And the interviewer didn’t bat an eye or question her in any meaningful way.
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rfenst wrote:
Here is my liberal answer: Everyone eligible should be highly encouraged to vote. Everyone (ideally) should want to vote. Voting should be super easy. The more the merrier, no matter what the outcome. ID should be required.



It should NEVER be regulated down by the Federal government or one of it's agencies. EVER!

It should be a State's responsibility.

That said, I would make it a national holiday and give people the entire day off to only do the one thing that should be cherished, vote. I would want it to be done with proof of ID and proof of registration WITH a signature verification IN PERSON. The only people that should be allowed to vote by mail are the military deployed and citizens that will be out of the country but the same proof of ID and registration with signature verification would apply. I would make it a paper ballot as well that you would sign when you've completed voting and the state would be required to hold on to it for more than 8 years.

States that want to give away drivers licenses to illegals would be fined and punished. Falsifying any voting record/ballot would have mandatory sentences to warrant the criminal behavior.


We all know that's not going to happen though.
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What is wrong with Georgia?

8 hrs in line to vote?

Poppy cooock!

Read post # 24
rfenst Offline
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RayR wrote:
No, we need less duhmocracy. Voting should be less easy so stupid people who are dangerous to society won't bother because it's too much work.
This is illustrated by your example that some numbnuts in the mob could be so easily tricked and voted for the wrong person on the ballot.

That's exactly what happened when an independent "candidate" with the SAME LAST NAME as the Democrat was run last minute by Republicans as an Independent, just to siphon off votes. Don't think it happened? Do a Google search or find the post on Cbid of the news articles about it. And, I do not care which party did this. Wrong is wrong. As to your elitist view of who gets to vote based on their intelligence, how about you just go ahead and institute a little reading test at the poll to determine who gets to vote each election. That will keep out all of your unwanted voters.
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RayR wrote:
No, we need less duhmocracy. Voting should be less easy so stupid people who are dangerous to society won't bother because it's too much work.
This is illustrated by your example that some numbnuts in the mob could be so easily tricked and voted for the wrong person on the ballot.


Unfortunately, dumbasses do vote. That is I assume you vote.
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This dumdass voted,cause I killed so you smart f*cker have the privilege to be dumdasses.
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Smooth light wrote:
This dumdass voted,cause I killed so you smart f*cker have the privilege to be dumdasses.


Care to translate?
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