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Trump Loses Arizona—Again
rfenst Offline
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He still cries ‘fraud’ even after the audit he demanded found none.



WSJ Editorial Board

Former President Trump claims Arizona’s ballot audit found “massive fraud,” yet the new recount says he actually lost the state by 360 more votes than originally reported. He is now demanding an audit of the 2020 election in . . . Texas, which he won by nearly six points. When are Republicans going to quit playing this game?

Arizona’s official results say President Biden won by 10,457 votes. Mr. Trump never accepted the loss, so the GOP state Senate launched an “audit” by hiring Cyber Ninjas, a company without experience reviewing elections. After repeated delays and various pratfalls, here’s the result: A hand recount of Maricopa County’s 2.1 million ballots says that Mr. Biden won the state by 10,817 votes.

There’s no reason to prefer this tally over the certified one, given the audit’s erratic process and lack of transparency. For details, see a June report co-written by Trey Grayson, Kentucky’s former GOP Secretary of State, warning that Cyber Ninjas “will not produce findings that should be trusted.” The good news is they don’t need to be trusted, since the result is the same, except with worse numbers for Mr. Trump.

True to his nature, Mr. Trump is claiming vindication based on the audit’s analysis of voter files. As the biggest example, he says Arizona’s results include “23,344 mail-in ballots, despite the person no longer living at that address. Phantom voters!” No. Did he read the report? This figure comes from comparing voter records to a commercial database on change-of-address filings, but look at the caveats.

Cyber Ninjas says errors are normal when using commercial data. Most of these voters barely moved: 15,035 stayed in Maricopa County, and another 1,718 went somewhere else in Arizona. Only 40% were Democrats and 33% Republicans. The audit also admits there are “ways that a voter could receive their ballot which in some cases would not violate the law.”

College students move often, but they could easily pick up ballots that were inadvertently sent home or to old roommates. What about people serving in the military, taking extended vacations, or working remotely? Address changes were probably noisier than usual last year, given how the pandemic scrambled life. The report offers no evidence that any of these people voted illegally.

The audit takes aim at other alleged discrepancies, but without providing conclusive explanations, much less proof of wrongdoing. The state’s official results, the report claims, show 3,432 more ballots than can be accounted for using the voter files. Yet in the middle of his presentation Friday, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, Doug Logan, said Maricopa County recently gave a benign explanation: Arizona has a separate protected voter list, which is used to shield the locations of judges, battered women, and so forth.

Another set of 9,041 voters, 34% Democrats to 30% Republicans, show up in the data as having returned multiple ballots. This “could be explained in any of the possible ways,” Cyber Ninjas speculates, ranging from clerical error to fraud. Or not. “The majority of these,” says a spokeswoman for the Maricopa County Elections Department, “are voters that had questionable signatures that were cured or blank signatures that were eventually signed.” In other words: “This shows our Early Voting team was doing their job.”

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The audit documents exceed 100 pages, and it will take time for local authorities to comb through all the claims. Elections are human endeavors, so it’d hardly be surprising if an outside review found some goofs or ways to improve. But that isn’t Mr. Trump’s aim, as one official acknowledged Friday. “I have already started to hear from people saying that, well, the audit failed,” said Ken Bennett, the GOP state Senate’s liaison to Cyber Ninjas, “because it didn’t prove that the election was overturned or that there was a different result.”

On Friday Mr. Trump was set to Defcon 1, saying the audit found “incomprehensible Fraud at an Election Changing level,” and demanding that Arizona “immediately decertify their 2020 Presidential Election Results.” Is anyone surprised? This is what Mr. Trump does, regardless of the facts. Remember in 2016, when he said the results of the Iowa Caucus should be “nullified” based on “the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz ”?

The GOP should quit chasing him down rabbit holes. Mr. Trump lost last year by 74 electoral votes, so even flipping Arizona would have left him two states short. He can’t admit to his fans that he lost, since it would undermine his rally attendance, fundraising and teasers about 2024. Perhaps Mr. Trump can’t even admit to himself that he lost, and in his final days he’ll be raging on the heath about “ballot dumps.”

But Democrats this coming week are going to try to pass $2.1 trillion in new taxes and $5 trillion in spending, the greatest expansion of government entitlements since LBJ, or maybe FDR. Where’s a Republican leader who wants to pick up the party’s mantle and talk about that?
bgz Offline
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Trump's like the biggest looser ever.


Go big or go home!
bgz Offline
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New breed "Republicans" don't care about spending. All they care about is hanging on to old orange nuts.
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
Trump's like the biggest looser ever.


Go big or go home!


No, America is the biggest loser ever, look at that creepy old f*ck that it got as POTUS. I mean Com'on Man!
In part thanks to you BTW.
He's coming after your crypto and cigars too, he wants his "fair share"
rfenst Offline
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Ray,

Who do you think were the top ten worst Presidents?
Smooth light Offline
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There's a definite pattern here. Demonrats jump on any news with out researching it all the way, desperate to make a loser win. Give it time what's the rush, it's only going to get debunked too.

They been doing it for at least five years plus. Especially with the unamerica news in lock step with them.
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Smooth light wrote:
There's a definite pattern here. Demonrats jump on any news with out researching it all the way, desperate to make a loser win. Give it time what's the rush, it's only going to get debunked too.

They been doing it for at least five years plus. Especially with the unamerica news in lock step with them.


You forgot to logout Ray.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I assume every opinionated person here has been keeping track of the audit process and how “clean” it’s been…..
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Trump: "You know why I lie? Because the more I say stuff, the more people will believe me"
ZRX1200 Offline
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Stare at the symptom like you’re supposed to…
MACS Offline
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bgz wrote:
Trump's like the biggest looser ever.


Go big or go home!


LMAO! Calling someone a loser and spelling it wrong... priceless.
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How's that KOOL AID taste,🦜🦜🦜's, I see you got another refill.
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MACS wrote:
LMAO! Calling someone a loser and spelling it wrong... priceless.


He also told you to go big or go home.
bgz Offline
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MACS wrote:
LMAO! Calling someone a loser and spelling it wrong... priceless.


You're right... my original was loozah evah... but I figured stretching the o's a tad was enough.

Guess I should have went with the original...

Don't even know why I bother...
tonygraz Offline
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Yep, MACS is a lost cause.
bgz Offline
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bgz wrote:
You forgot to logout Ray.


Am I the only one that didn't know definitively that RayRay was smoothlight?

I suspected it, but I didn't know it for certain until now.
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delta1 wrote:
Trump: "You know why I lie? Because the more I say stuff, the more people will believe me"


Got a source for this quote or is it just more of your invented falsehoods in your delusional reality?
rfenst Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Got a source for this quote or is it just more of your invented falsehoods in your delusional reality?

Are you going to take the position that Trump is NOT a pathological liar?
bgz Offline
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One thing he said was true... he can walk outside, shoot someone in the face and his followers would still be all up on his d*ck.

(I'm paraphrasing... too lazy to look up the actual quote)
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bgz when you assume you doomed,...ESND💩 chrip 🦜 chrip!!!
bgz Offline
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Stfu Ray... so stupid lmfao.
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You got me confused with someone who gives a f'n dam! About your brain farts 💨💨 at least wipe your mouth with 🧻 when you're done.
MACS Offline
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr4Ets7aCzg
tonygraz Offline
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An anti-feminist too. I heard Trump said in a recent rally that the audit completed showed that he won Arizona, This despite the fact that the audit showed he actually lost by about 300 more votes. I wonder how many jokers actually get their news from Utube.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Got a source for this quote or is it just more of your invented falsehoods in your delusional reality?




https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/politics/trump-disinformation-strategy/index.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdh78eLMF7k
bgz Offline
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MACS wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr4Ets7aCzg


Trump lost.

You should probably tell the dude in the video... votes were counted like 50 f*ckin times... by "Republicans"... and his loss keeps getting huger... quite possibly the biggest loss ever!

Edit (typos):

and his loss keeps getting yuger... quite possibly the biggest loss ever! That makes him the biggest loooozaaaaah eeeeeevaaaahhhh!!!!!!
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delta1 wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/politics/trump-disinformation-strategy/index.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdh78eLMF7k


You may want to rewatch the video in the link you posted. He never said that.
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delta1 wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/politics/trump-disinformation-strategy/index.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdh78eLMF7k


Your cherry picked parts of his speech, took some words out of context then filled in some of your own words to create a manufactured quote which you referenced to Trump. Your delusional reality is quite evident.

He was referencing the disinformation that the Dems and main stream media spreads. Re-watch the youtube vid that you posted... it's right around the 1:30 mark. Listen closely... and compare what he said against your quote that you've attributed to him.

You seriously can't be that stupid, can you? This is an example of disinformation which pretty much sums up your most of your posts quite accurately.
BuckyB93 Offline
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Twen Tee NINE!
ZRX1200 Offline
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I love how a few guys with Cheeto dust on their semi flaccid Tom Cruise from koffeffe-ing vigorously to this story apparently are clueless on how the so called audit was performed.

rfenst Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I love how a few guys with Cheeto dust on their semi flaccid Tom Cruise from koffeffe-ing vigorously to this story apparently are clueless on how the so called audit was performed.


Do you have inside knowledge or something?
Smooth light Offline
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He's just impersonating ' shifty shift '
Dg west deptford Offline
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Schiff is a creepy looking unfortunate fellow
The whole cast makes a scary version of the Munsters or Adam's family
Pelosi is the vampiric one
Schumer the crypt keeper

It's not even Halloween but they're out trick or treating
bgz Offline
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Why do you lie Dg?

Do you even recognize that you are lying?

For someone who proclaims to be such a good Christian... you don't do a good job hiding your hatred.
RayR Offline
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DG is right, that creepy crew is like a 365 day a year haunted house attraction.
bgz Offline
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I expect you to lie, be hateful, and otherwise be a d*ck... but not Dg. I hold him to a higher standard.
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Dg west deptford wrote:
...

It's not even Halloween but they're out trick or treating


At least they will be wearing masks. I do wonder what you look like from your right-ous hatred.
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We are just playing to YOUR standard... no more no less.

Hatred no, call it tuft love for sure.

Just a blooter of codswallop is your only style.( Trick or treat ) why don't you put the mask back on.
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Be honest, you don't think shifty schiff is creepy looking?
The guy is a cartoon!
Doesn't mean I hate him. Just childishly entertained

Don't get me started on Nadler, you can't even make up a Jaba the Hut like character for that guy.
Our own Menendez is truly a horror show soliciting underage prostitutes. I could go on with this 3 ring sideshow of horrors but...

You're right, I should not speak evil of dignitaries like a brute beast, jesting coursly about our chosen leaders. We're called to honor & pray for all of our leaders so I shouldn't rail on them.
I thought this was an American cigar forum not a commie knitting circle but your right, so I'm sorry.

I apologize for offending your "religious" sensibilities.

But who said I'm good? When did I "proclaim" it ?
There's none good but One.
Curiously you've accused me of this "good" thing before?
I've told you before I'm no better than anyone & don't wish to represent anything else.

If you perceive any good in me I can take no credit for it.
I do appreciate & accept the higher standard though.

So I'll try to refrain from dishonorable joking about our orange & other flavored trick or treaters for your sake.

God forbid I have hatred for anyone, or even the perception of it.

rfenst Offline
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Schiff, Nadler and for certain Jamie Raskin are all UAF, but don't dismiss their legal cunning and intelligence. No matter whether one agrees with their politics, they each, IMNSHO, have great legal minds, especially Raskin.
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Be honest, you don't think shifty schiff is creepy looking?
The guy is a cartoon!
Doesn't mean I hate him. Just childishly entertained

Don't get me started on Nadler, you can't even make up a Jaba the Hut like character for that guy.
Our own Menendez is truly a horror show soliciting underage prostitutes. I could go on with this 3 ring sideshow of horrors but...

You're right, I should not speak evil of dignitaries like a brute beast, jesting coursly about our chosen leaders. We're called to honor & pray for all of our leaders so I shouldn't rail on them.
I thought this was an American cigar forum not a commie knitting circle but your right, so I'm sorry.

I apologize for offending your "religious" sensibilities.

But who said I'm good? When did I "proclaim" it ?
There's none good but One.
Curiously you've accused me of this "good" thing before?
I've told you before I'm no better than anyone & don't wish to represent anything else.

If you perceive any good in me I can take no credit for it.
I do appreciate & accept the higher standard though.

So I'll try to refrain from dishonorable joking about our orange & other flavored trick or treaters for your sake.

God forbid I have hatred for anyone, or even the perception of it.



No worries, you're not offending me. I just expect more out of you than I do some of the other posters.
RayR Offline
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bgz wrote:
I expect you to lie, be hateful, and otherwise be a d*ck... but not Dg. I hold him to a higher standard.


LIES LIES LIES....HATE HATE HATE is all you've got to say.

Why are you offended because we are nauseated by the sight of those black-hearted DemoDemons?
bgz Offline
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I'm not offended by you Ray... I just think you have a mental disorder that doesn't let you see any side other than the one you're on.
RayR Offline
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I see the other sides just fine, especially the DemoDemons that you can't see for what they are. Why do you defend these demonic ogres Ben? 👿👹 Are you possessed Ben?
bgz Offline
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You expect everyone to just let you walk in, throw your feet up, say "this is how sh*t is", now someone make me a sammich?

Nah... that ain't how it works.

Go trade some cigars or something... go make some friends.
RayR Offline
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I must have hit a nerve, hence a non-answer. As expected.Bored
bgz Offline
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Nah... I just know you are an unreasonable human... no real point in trying to reason with such a human.
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Not everyone likes the s*it you been cooking, it's still entertaining though.

Like the (kibbles and bits commercial ) that cat sure can jump... LOL

I love to antagonize my friends 🙏
Dg west deptford Offline
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Ease up on Ray Ben.

You can't afford to loose any friends yourself

Ray, dwell peaceably as possible with my friend Ben.
you can presumably expect less of him though?


But he hasn't traded with me either so get an Addy on him if you can

Millions... Bwuuhahah
bgz Offline
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Ease up on Ray Ben.

You can't afford to loose any friends yourself

Ray, dwell peaceably as possible with my friend Ben.
you can presumably expect less of him though?


But he hasn't traded with me either so get an Addy on him if you can

Millions... Bwuuhahah


No no... no addy for you. I've been here for a minute... I do more than just talk sh*t in the politics forum.

Pretty sure I'm not on any bad trader lists.
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